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Eastoff said:
Let me try rephrasing my point, without being so agitated. If a party was pro-choice, pro marriage for same sex couples, pro immigration reform, and wanted to cut taxes across the board but could show or somehow guarantee it would improve the economy for all, I would listen and consider voting. As far as I am concerned though, when the GOP married the religious right, and the democrats divorced the religious conservatives, I became stuck in a voting rut. Too many social issues will steer my vote.
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http://lp.org
 
Denny Crane said:
http://lp.org
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Press Release
For Immediate Release
Friday, May 17, 2013

Libertarian Party: Don't waste time investigating IRS, abolish it NOW along with income tax
Return to 1992 spending level would allow balanced budget, end to income tax

The presidential administrations of Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and, now, Barack Obama have all been caught using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to target political enemies.

As long as we have the IRS — and the income tax — we should expect more presidents to use their power to silence and intimidate free voices. No IRS investigation or firing of a few scapegoats will change that.

"We must abolish the IRS and end any need for a regulatory agency that snoops into people's private lives," said Libertarian Party Executive Director Carla Howell. "We must draw back total federal spending to the level of 1992, which is more than enough to fulfill the government's constitutional duties to protect our life, liberty, and property. This will allow us to balance the budget immediately, end the federal income tax completely, and give back an average of more than $12,000 to every family in America."

"We don't need an income tax, and we certainly don't need the IRS," Howell said.

The Libertarian Party is the only political party in America calling for both dismantling the IRS altogether and dramatically and immediately downsizing Big Government.

"The Libertarian Party is running candidates to dramatically downsize the federal government," Howell said. "We can cut federal spending by 50 percent, or even 90 percent, and Americans will be better for it. We can end the personal income tax, the corporate income tax, the death tax, and all federal payroll taxes. There will be no need for the IRS, nor any substitute agency."

"Ending the income tax, abolishing the IRS, and cutting federal spending to the level of 1992 means no more deficit spending," Howell said. "This will stop inflation and stabilize prices. Even more importantly, it will transfer wealth out of the wasteful, dysfunctional and destructive government sector and into the productive private sector, resulting in a bounty of new jobs and prosperity for Americans."

"We will make living in America and doing business in America much better," Howell said. "Individuals, businesses, and political organizations will all be safe from government interrogation and free to express their political views. It will dramatically increase the wealth of the private sector and inspire hundreds of billions of dollars in investment in small businesses and American jobs."

Another benefit of abolishing the IRS is that it would become far more difficult to fund massive interventionist military presence and warfare around the globe.

"It will also require our massive military budgets to go down, which currently encourage overseas meddling and war," Howell said. "We get rid of the IRS, we get rid of the income tax, we dramatically downsize federal spending and taxation, and America and the world will be better for it."


So how will we fund the government?
 
DaLincolnJones said:
again too simple, never happen..

big government is an industry unto itself
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Unfortunately you're right. The government has incentive to complicate things and grow their power. Complicated tax codes allow for politicians to hide taxes to fun their pet projects.

Obamacare is a perfect example. This bill inserted so many changes to the tax code that are increasing my taxes paid, but don't show up as an increase in the stated marginal tax rate table.
 
I got my Moda enrollment package today. The payroll deduct for the $500 deductible (employer subsidized) plan went from $80 last year to $258 this year. The $1000 deductible plan went from $20 to $100 (500%).

Go Blazers
 
Eastoff said:
Ok. You are correct, I do not know who will run for offices in the future. The Republican party may change their stance on Legalizing marriage between same sex couples. The Republican party may change their stance on supplying an increase in support for the poor, instead of cutting it like the Republicans in Congress have proposed. The Republican party may change their stance on immigration reform and allow illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. I may change my mind and vote for them. But I think it's less likely that you being a kind hearted human being.
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Untrue.
 
So Obama cushioned businesses with an exemption for part-time work. So companies abuse it. So this thread piles on Obama, not the businesses.

It's logical, to Republicans. And easily fixed. Just cancel the exemption, which the abusing companies are forcing.
 
jlprk said:
So Obama cushioned businesses with an exemption for part-time work. So companies abuse it. So this thread piles on Obama, not the businesses.

It's logical, to Republicans. And easily fixed. Just cancel the exemption, which the abusing companies are forcing.
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ok..for a change I will take you serious..he did it to soften the blow that his law will create.
 
Speaking of softening, when conservatives don't take me seriously, I can cut through their threads like a hot knife through soft butter.

So please, do not notice that 80% of my posts have always been serious. Thanks. It makes my task so easy.
 
jlprk said:
Speaking of softening, when conservatives don't take me seriously, I can cut through their threads like a hot knife through soft butter.

So please, do not notice that 80% of my posts have always been serious. Thanks. It makes my task so easy.
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ok..I see you are back to your regular programing..
 
I just posted a couple of posts elsewhere that were kind of political, kind of funny.

I don't know how to classify me. This is a major problem. I will write to Dear Abby.
 
jlprk said:
I just posted a couple of posts elsewhere that were kind of political, kind of funny.

I don't know how to classify me. This is a major problem. I will write to Dear Abby.
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Somebody who needs shitloads of attention and validation from the internet is my guess. Join the club.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
just a very fucked up family..
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Those that can now embrace it should do so. There really isn't anybody here I consider out of their league intellectually. Let's just enjoy it all and have a big funky bunch.
 
PapaG said:
Somebody who needs shitloads of attention and validation from the internet is my guess. Join the club.
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I actually post to socialize, and to express my many opinions where I can safely walk away when I tire of the fight.

Years ago I started saying that a sports message board is the same as a sports bar, except that no one gets hurt in a fight. Some night, we should plan ahead, to all get drunk while we argue. We could drink slowly, to make it last. This could be a weekly event, like Saturday. We would emulate a sports bar.
 
jlprk said:
I actually post to socialize, and to express my many opinions where I can safely walk away when I tire of the fight.

Years ago I started saying that a sports message board is the same as a sports bar, except that no one gets hurt in a fight. Some night, we should plan ahead, to all get drunk while we argue. We could drink slowly, to make it last. This could be a weekly event, like Saturday. We would emulate a sports bar.
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I'm the same way. It's why I accept your shtick and enjoy it. I know there is a lot more humor in it than comes across in your posts. Sarcasm to the point of parody is my guess.
 
<group hug>

Wait, I forgot. I HATE hugging a man. I'm an old-fashioned leftist. None of this new stuff for me.

<group tipping of shiny black top hats>
 
PapaG said:
Those that can now embrace it should do so. There really isn't anybody here I consider out of their league intellectually. Let's just enjoy it all and have a big funky bunch.
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wow.. are you seven into you max of six adult beverages.. so fuckin agreeable..xoxoxx
 
jlprk said:
<group hug>

Wait, I forgot. I HATE hugging a man. I'm an old-fashioned leftist. None of this new stuff for me.

<group tipping of shiny black top hats>
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You'd never, ever, show up at a bar meet, though. Or ... would you? So long as it's not at Mt. Tabor, we would all get along!
 
jlprk said:
<group hug>

Wait, I forgot. I HATE hugging a man. I'm an old-fashioned leftist. None of this new stuff for me.

<group tipping of shiny black top hats>
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tip of the ..well I dont wear hats..they make ya go bld, andI am aginst that concept..but , I will go for the hug thingie
 
PapaG said:
You'd never, ever, show up at a bar meet, though. Or ... would you? So long as it's not at Mt. Tabor, we would all get along!
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oh man, only if I could..I have the Mom thing my wife and I do..very little time away..guess I am paying for all the years I was a little on the wild side
 
DaLincolnJones said:
wow.. are you seven into you max of six adult beverages.. so fuckin agreeable..xoxoxx
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Nah, only 4 in, and the kids are in bed, but it's been a great week of work, a huge stress is gone from my projects, and I have family visiting this weekend. I'm content right now, yet can't wait for tomorrow, and I like it.
 
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