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Nikolokolus

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http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/27/trumps-travel-ban-is-already-affecting-u

The travel app Hopper reported a 17 percent drop in searches for flights to the U.S. from 122 countries in the week after the travel ban was put into effect compared to the weeks prior, according to The New York Times, which also notes several other travel search websites and agencies reporting similarly stark drops in interest in travel to the U.S. However, the Chicago Tribune notes that searches for travel to the U.S. from Russia have jumped 88 percent in the past month.

According to the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis, tourism-related spending in the U.S. was over $1.7 billion trillion in 2016, and the loosely-defined tourism industry accounted for over 7.7 million. To be clear, much of that tourism spending comes from Americans traveling domestically, but the drop in foreign travel searches—already being referred to as the "Trump Slump" by Travel Weekly, will not only affect tourism to the tune of billions of dollars in lost revenue, but is also be an impediment to U.S. and international businesses. The Global Business Assocation reported a $185 million loss for business travel bookings in just the first week after Trump's travel ban was announced.
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Reported today San Francisco already seeing slump. Tourism is very big in SF with hotels, restaurants, transportation and shopping normally drawing people from everywhere. But they are afraid to come to the U.S.
 
#THANKSTRUMP Jeeeeeeeeeeeze!!!!!!!!!!
 
The other thing that's going to have a huge impact is foreign students now are looking to go to Canada, Australia or Singapore for college and thinking paying more tuition to study in the US is high risk and young students are not comfortable with the political climate. Telling the world to fuck off is not going to end well for the economy and high school kids here are not going to like picking lettuce in the valley as a summer job or sewing fire and rescue gear at the local factory.
 
riverman said:
The other thing that's going to have a huge impact is foreign students now are looking to go to Canada, Australia or Singapore for college and thinking paying more tuition to study in the US is high risk and young students are not comfortable with the political climate. Telling the world to fuck off is not going to end well for the economy and high school kids here are not going to like picking lettuce in the valley as a summer job or sewing fire and rescue gear at the local factory.
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Most foreign students are rich as fuck Indonesian or Indians still?

You have to have lots of money to be a foreign students and most want to be in America jack!!!!
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Most foreign students are rich as fuck Indonesian or Indians still?

You have to have lots of money to be a foreign students and most want to be in America jack!!!!
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Go to any college campus....Asian students have family banking support systems....the family is the student loan...very common..something more Americans should do to get their kids a good education. I went up to see my son at OSU every week for 4 years...there are a lot of foreign students there...I'd say a majority...and now that's going to change
 
Nikolokolus said:
Ill-conceived, idiotic policies, executed poorly have consequences

Look on the bright side, Russians looking for flights to the U.S. ticked up 88%!!!
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lol, love all the white knights 'liking' your comment, as expected.

Hey I guess if you want no country, open borders and a globalist view on the world you can move to Sweden. I hear it's nice, in fact they just had a new grenade attack yesterday in Malmo. Although I hear Stockholm is better. Or try Paris.... Hell go live in southern Cali.

The only thing that has consequences is following the current Democratic viewpoint of turning the USA into a globalist shit hole. Luckily, it's not going to happen with the current regime and movement of the people.
 
blue32 said:
lol, love all the white knights 'liking' your comment, as expected.

Hey I guess if you want no country, open borders and a globalist view on the world you can move to Sweden. I hear it's nice, in fact they just had a new grenade attack yesterday in Malmo. Although I hear Stockholm is better. Or try Paris.... Hell go live in southern Cali.

The only thing that has consequences is following the current Democratic viewpoint of turning the USA into a globalist shit hole. Luckily, it's not going to happen with the current regime and movement of the people.
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I have a libertarian point of view. Free movement of people and capital ... ya know: "freedom"
 
Nikolokolus said:
I have a libertarian point of view. Free movement of people and capital ... ya know: "freedom"
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A...libertarian who isn't a rebranded Republican? In America?

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This is great for Americans in general, and fantastic for rural Americans.

Tourism has been on a steady increase here in Beautiful Central Oregon each of the last 2-3 years mostly due to Americans touring nationally rather than risk their lives overseas or waste their time being hassled and demeaned by airport security. We still get plenty of foreign tourists, mostly from Germany and Canada, and that will certainly continue.

An added plus is that it is primarily sanctuary cities that will suffer.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I have a libertarian point of view. Free movement of people and capital ... ya know: "freedom"
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Sure, I get you. but....

You have that and you have no country and you have no freedom, because secular religious peoples will start enacting their own "law" and then we will have to basically start all over again trying to carve out a nation of what you want and call 'freedom' from the others and their laws of the land.. this is exactly what is happening in Paris and Germany where Islamic peoples are setting up Shariah law areas and badgering people who come into their 'land'.
 
blue32 said:
Sure, I get you. but....

You have that and you have no country and you have no freedom, because secular religious peoples will start enacting their own "law" and then we will have to basically start all over again trying to carve out a nation of what you want and call 'freedom' from the others and their laws of the land.. this is exactly what is happening in Paris and Germany where Islamic peoples are setting up Shariah law areas and badgering people who come into their 'land'.
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What are "secular religious people?" I've never encountered one of those before.

I'm not saying that countries don't have a right to screen out criminals and people fundamentally opposed to secular liberalism, but the ham-fisted way Bannon chose to roll out the travel ban and Bannon's ethno-nationalism are fundamentally un-American; these measures appear to validate radical Islamic propaganda that the West hates all Muslims and makes for a great recruiting tool. If you spent any time listening to Muslim reformers like Maajid Nawaz or Ayaan Hirsi Ali (and others) you'd realize that more than ever the Islamic moderates need allies in their fight to reform Islam from within -- the only way this endless cycle of terrorism and violence is going to end.

The No Religious Tests clause of Article VI of the Constitution is (supposedly?) a bedrock principle this country was founded on. The original intent might have been to remove the requirement to be a protestant Christian when holding office, but it stands to reason it has always been applied to other areas, like immigration (else we never would have allowed in so many Roman Catholic Irish, Poles, Italians and other people).

I'm not arguing for unfettered acceptance of all refugees and immigrants, because there are practical limitations and not everyone trying to come here has good intentions, but there has to be a middle ground and there needs to be some sort of process grounded in the principles of liberalism (the true sense of the word, not the bastardized version which mislabels progressives as "liberals") not a process grounded in cowardice and fear.
 
crandc said:
Reported today San Francisco already seeing slump. Tourism is very big in SF with hotels, restaurants, transportation and shopping normally drawing people from everywhere. But they are afraid to come to the U.S.
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I will be down there with the MarAzul next month, make things a little better.:cool2:
 
MarAzul said:
I will be down there with the MarAzul next month, make things a little better.:cool2:
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Excellent, comrade. We can use every available ship to smuggle in immigrants looking for a new start on life. Enjoy the restaurants and the sights while you're here.
 
MarAzul said:
I will be down there with the MarAzul next month, make things a little better.:cool2:
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BTW, Mar means lord in Syriac, the religious language of Syria.

The name of your boat is a tribute to Muhammad.
 
Probably the name was inspired by movies
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Nikolokolus said:
What are "secular religious people?" I've never encountered one of those before.

I'm not saying that countries don't have a right to screen out criminals and people fundamentally opposed to secular liberalism, but the ham-fisted way Bannon chose to roll out the travel ban and Bannon's ethno-nationalism are fundamentally un-American; these measures appear to validate radical Islamic propaganda that the West hates all Muslims and makes for a great recruiting tool. If you spent any time listening to Muslim reformers like Maajid Nawaz or Ayaan Hirsi Ali (and others) you'd realize that more than ever the Islamic moderates need allies in their fight to reform Islam from within -- the only way this endless cycle of terrorism and violence is going to end.

The No Religious Tests clause of Article VI of the Constitution is (supposedly?) a bedrock principle this country was founded on. The original intent might have been to remove the requirement to be a protestant Christian when holding office, but it stands to reason it has always been applied to other areas, like immigration (else we never would have allowed in so many Roman Catholic Irish, Poles, Italians and other people).

I'm not arguing for unfettered acceptance of all refugees and immigrants, because there are practical limitations and not everyone trying to come here has good intentions, but there has to be a middle ground and there needs to be some sort of process grounded in the principles of liberalism (the true sense of the word, not the bastardized version which mislabels progressives as "liberals") not a process grounded in cowardice and fear.
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I don't care who comes here as long as its legally and screened to keep our country safe. IMO I do not want to take refugees though.. I think other M.E countries should take them as they're religious, culture, ideological viewpoints are perfectly fine there. Islam does not fit in with the Western world and our values. Women and gays are not highly thought of, in the Muslim world... So.... come here legally, accept and practice what America is about and don't bother people.

But illegals, I do not want here, especially criminals, they need to be removed. I don't think the President has any different viewpoints. I think the media is making this narrative about racism, and xenophobia.
 
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