Politics Former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich says he's now for impeaching Trump

[Lanny]

Even if Trump doesn't get fully impeached/displaced, he's dropped about 8 rungs on the proverbial ladder. This may very well be the chance for Kasich to take the reins again. I really hope he does. While being Conservative, I think he can also speak to the Moderates and Independents.

This is going to be very, very interesting rest of the year heading into 2020.

I would love to see Kasich win the Republican nomination for President but, face it, there is zero percent chance of that happening.

 

[Lanny]

This seems like such a silly question... What motivates someone to be “this or that”, life experiences, genetics, the same subjective stuff that makes you care about multiple issues, or makes you determine what issues are more or less important to you...

Theres at least a half dozen people in here who have been turned into single issue voters, “Its not Trump”, you aren’t trying to psychoanalyze them and cleverly hide behind condescending questions as to their motivations, because you agree with their feelings on Trump. If ABM said, “All I care about is getting rid of Trump”, you wouldnt ask why, and say wow what motivates you to be a single issue voter! You’d say oh I hate Trump too so Im good with that. You have to know his “motivations” or anyone’s motivations for that stuff boils down to the same stuff.

In my case it was a combination of the moral teachings of my church and my parents and my peers. I look for intelligence wherever I can find it. I'd like to also add that when I post in here, it gets my thinking processes stimulated and I can evolve on issues right here.

Edit:
I'd like to add that a spark of curiosity which must grow needs be planted somewhere in your development. It's really curiosity that makes us learn stuff.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Of course. But why does that make it a 'silly question'? Are you saying there's nothing to learn from other people, they are just 'different'?



I don't agree that would be a single issue voter, Trump isn't an 'issue'. And for myself, if there was somehow a candidate worse than Trump, but still not Trump, I would not vote for that candidate. So I, at least, am not a "single-issue" voter on getting rid of Trump.

But more to the point, yes, I wouldn't need to ask why someone would vote against Trump. I don't need to ask about things I already (think I) understand.



So let's stop talking about public policy because people just have thoughts and feelings because that's the way they are, and that's that! We shouldn't try to understand each other?

barfo

Absolutely.

ABM is on the record as saying that he's a single issue voter on abortion. I was questioning what motivates someone to be a single-issue voter, and why the choice of that particular topic as the single issue. His opinion on abortion aside from that is of little interest to me.

barfo

That was your post I replied to. You were questioning what motivates someone to be a single issue voter yet you start your reply by saying of course you understand what motivates people to feel strongly about an issue.

Then you clearly say his opinion on abortion isn't interesting to you, and now you're claiming that you're just looking to understand each other. If you really wanted to understand him on this you have this backwards. What you should want is to get a clear understanding of what motivates him on this particular issue and why he feels strongly about it.

Never said stop talking policy because just have thoughts and feelings, but if their reasons for those thoughts and feelings have little interest to you then you really don't wish to understand them in my opinion.

 

[barfo]

You were questioning what motivates someone to be a single issue voter yet you start your reply by saying of course you understand what motivates people to feel strongly about an issue.

Right. There's a difference between feeling strongly about something and being a single issue voter, don't you agree?

Then you clearly say his opinion on abortion isn't interesting to you, and now you're claiming that you're just looking to understand each other. If you really wanted to understand him on this you have this backwards. What you should want is to get a clear understanding of what motivates him on this particular issue and why he feels strongly about it.

Ok. What I meant was that I wasn't interested in exploring why he's on one side of the issue rather than the other side.

Never said stop talking policy because just have thoughts and feelings, but if their reasons for those thoughts and feelings have little interest to you then you really don't wish to understand them in my opinion.

Ok, I think your opinion about my interests is completely incorrect, but hey, it's your opinion.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Right. There's a difference between feeling strongly about something and being a single issue voter, don't you agree?



Ok. What I meant was that I wasn't interested in exploring why he's on one side of the issue rather than the other side.



Ok, I think your opinion about my interests is completely incorrect, but hey, it's your opinion.

barfo

Sure there's a difference.
It may be incorrect, but I'm not sure why you're only interested in what makes someone a "single issue" voter but also sort of making an argument for lets talk and understand each other. So you only want to understand one aspect of them? It seems odd but who knows this is just text and we may just not be articulating our thoughts and intentions well.

 

[calvin natt]

I’m fine with someone having abortion being their sole or primary reason for voting for someone. I’m not fine with anyone choosing this as their reason for support when there are a multitude of things that the same candidate does that shows no care or sympathy for humans once they you know, take their first breath.

 

[barfo]

Sure there's a difference.
It may be incorrect, but I'm not sure why you're only interested in what makes someone a "single issue" voter but also sort of making an argument for lets talk and understand each other. So you only want to understand one aspect of them? It seems odd but who knows this is just text and we may just not be articulating our thoughts and intentions well.

Maybe the context will be clearer. I said:

Still wondering why you even have a 'primary position', and why it's that one instead of any of the infinite number of other things you could choose to be monomaniacal about.

barfo

And then Hoopguru said:

Abortion is a personal choice imo, and it's ok to have your choice one way or another. It's the same with anyone values and beliefs, its theirs. Now if their mission statement is to hatefully go after those that have different views on things, imo that's taboo. Whatever happened to the concept of being open minded and respectful if you oppose something?
If parents in a blue state teach their kids to kick somebody ass if they are for the second amendment and if parents in red states teach their kids to kick ass if someone is pro choice, we may as well establish two separate countries, have an outright civil war, moved to a State that parallels your politic, or learn to give and take, be civil and respectful again, and most importantly work together again.

Which sounded to me like he interpreted my post as an attack on ABM for being anti-abortion. So I responded:

Absolutely.

ABM is on the record as saying that he's a single issue voter on abortion. I was questioning what motivates someone to be a single-issue voter, and why the choice of that particular topic as the single issue. His opinion on abortion aside from that is of little interest to me.

barfo

Almost everyone has an opinion about abortion - it's not remarkable. I have an opinion on it myself.
Relatively few people are single-issue voters, though, and I'm not one myself.

So yes, I'm more interested in his single-issue voting position than whether he is for or against abortion. Because - to me - it's more interesting.
Not that I expect to learn anything, because ABM has no intention of ever answering any questions... but at least you and I got to have a discussion.

barfo

 

[ABM]

So yes, I'm more interested in his single-issue voting position than whether he is for or against abortion. Because - to me - it's more interesting.
Not that I expect to learn anything, because ABM has no intention of ever answering any questions... but at least you and I got to have a discussion.

barfo

This single issue in my mind far outweighs any other positions/issues. I'm totally against the killing of future Americans. All other issues can be worked around.

 

[barfo]

This single issue in my mind far outweighs any other positions/issues.

I know that. I'm asking why.

I'm totally against the killing of future Americans. All other issues can be worked around.

Ok, that's a start at least. So you are ok with abortions for foreigners? It's not the killing that you mind, it's that you think we need more native-born Americans?

barfo

 

[ABM]

I know that. I'm asking why.



Ok, that's a start at least. So you are ok with abortions for foreigners? It's not the killing that you mind, it's that you think we need more native-born Americans?

barfo

Heh, no. I'm opposed to the abortions of anyone. I just kept the context within America.

 

[barfo]

Heh, no. I'm opposed to the abortions of anyone. I just kept the context within America.

Roger that.

Now, about the 'other issues can be worked around' comment. There are life-and-death issues other than abortion. Why is abortion the only one that can't be 'worked around'?

barfo

 

[ABM]

Roger that.

Now, about the 'other issues can be worked around' comment. There are life-and-death issues other than abortion. Why is abortion the only one that can't be 'worked around'?

barfo

The unborn have absolutely no say in the matter.

 

[riverman]

The unborn have absolutely no say in the matter.

so a miscarriage would be fetal suicide then by this logic.....I think that's a tad insensitive to the issue...

 

[calvin natt]

Once they’re born, good luck.

 

[barfo]

The unborn have absolutely no say in the matter.

So if a construction crane from the building next door falls on you, you had a say in the matter?

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Maybe the context will be clearer. I said:



And then Hoopguru said:



Which sounded to me like he interpreted my post as an attack on ABM for being anti-abortion. So I responded:



Almost everyone has an opinion about abortion - it's not remarkable. I have an opinion on it myself.
Relatively few people are single-issue voters, though, and I'm not one myself.

So yes, I'm more interested in his single-issue voting position than whether he is for or against abortion. Because - to me - it's more interesting.
Not that I expect to learn anything, because ABM has no intention of ever answering any questions... but at least you and I got to have a discussion.

barfo

I do love our conversations.
Seriously though, I guess I can't fault you for being interested.
I still think your reasoning here seems a little off, but hey I could be off, or we both could be. Maybe we should have some joint counseling sessions, heh.

 

[Hoopguru]

Maybe the context will be clearer. I said:



And then Hoopguru said:



Which sounded to me like he interpreted my post as an attack on ABM for being anti-abortion. So I responded:



Almost everyone has an opinion about abortion - it's not remarkable. I have an opinion on it myself.
Relatively few people are single-issue voters, though, and I'm not one myself.

So yes, I'm more interested in his single-issue voting position than whether he is for or against abortion. Because - to me - it's more interesting.
Not that I expect to learn anything, because ABM has no intention of ever answering any questions... but at least you and I got to have a discussion.

barfo

Barfo..I wasn't thinking you were attacking ABM for being anti-abortion.
You are both entitled to your own feelings, which aren't right or wrong, there simply feelings.
You both are great debaters certainly out of my league!

 

[barfo]

Barfo..I wasn't thinking you were attacking ABM for being anti-abortion.
You are both entitled to your own feelings, which aren't right or wrong, there simply feelings.
You both are great debaters certainly out of my league!

I think we are all members in good standing of the Blazer OT debate league.

Until and unless Sly bans us, that is.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

I think we are all members in good standing of the Blazer OT debate league.

Until and unless Sly bans us, that is.

barfo

Testing testing.

 

[riverman]

I think we are all members in good standing of the Blazer OT debate league.

Until and unless Sly bans us, that is.

barfo

translation....nobody has 50 bucks to spare around here

 

[Lanny]

This single issue in my mind far outweighs any other positions/issues. I'm totally against the killing of future Americans. All other issues can be worked around.

So, I guess that means you're against sending our undocumented Latin Americans back to an almost certain death.

 

[Lanny]

I think we are all members in good standing of the Blazer OT debate league.

Until and unless Sly bans us, that is.

barfo

Oh, good grief, don't call him Sly! If you want to get somewhere with him or not get banned call him your Lordship or governor.

 

[ABM]

So if a construction crane from the building next door falls on you, you had a say in the matter?

barfo

Depends on if I miraculously survived the event. In the case of a fetus, no say, whatsoever.

 

[CupWizier]

Depends on if I miraculously survived the event. In the case of a fetus, no say, whatsoever.

What about the woman who was raped and got pregnant? Did she have a choice?

What about a woman who is at a health risk and could possibly lose her life by going through a pregnancy? No choice for her?

 

[ABM]

So, I guess that means you're against sending our undocumented Latin Americans back to an almost certain death.

Not necessarily, but there are probably a boatload of other countries they could check-in to, as well. Personally, I don't see the USA being the savior of the world when I look around and see our own homeless/squalor situations. Many of those poor and downtrodden folks are on their way to an almost certain death, as well. By the way, my wife and I are scheduling to begin helping out in one of Nashville's homeless shelters. We also volunteer in other ways, but this tugs at our hearts, as well.

Rather than simply complain about America's border issues, why don't more Americans volunteer here (domestically) with the many housing/comfort/care issues WE have going on?? Lanny, I certainly understand someone as yourself not being really able to get out to do that, but there are many, many people out there simply being lazy.....while lashing out.

 

[ABM]

What about the woman who was raped and got pregnant? Did she have a choice?

What about a woman who is at a health risk and could possibly lose her life by going through a pregnancy? No choice for her?

I've already responded this this in other threads. In my humble opinion, those would certainly be subject to allowable conditions. I'm simply speaking to willful and arbitrary choices.

 

[CupWizier]

I've already responded this this in other threads. In my humble opinion, those would certainly be subject to allowable conditions. I'm simply speaking to willful and arbitrary choices.

So you are semi pro life then.
Do you see any value in planned parenthood and the services they provide?

 

[Lanny]

Depends on if I miraculously survived the event. In the case of a fetus, no say, whatsoever.

And what about the woman? Has she no say in the matter which concerns her body and the body of none of the busybodies telling her what she can and can't do with her body?

 

[Lanny]

I've already responded this this in other threads. In my humble opinion, those would certainly be subject to allowable conditions. I'm simply speaking to willful and arbitrary choices.

Your answer either escaped me in the first place or was so long ago that with all I have to read in here I just can no longer recall it.

 

[Lanny]

Not necessarily, but there are probably a boatload of other countries they could check-in to, as well. Personally, I don't see the USA being the savior of the world when I look around and see our own homeless/squalor situations. Many of those poor and downtrodden folks are on their way to an almost certain death, as well. By the way, my wife and I are scheduling to begin helping out in one of Nashville's homeless shelters. We also volunteer in other ways, but this tugs at our hearts, as well.

Rather than simply complain about America's border issues, why don't more Americans volunteer here (domestically) with the many housing/comfort/care issues WE have going on?? Lanny, I certainly understand someone as yourself not being really able to get out to do that, but there are many, many people out there simply being lazy.....while lashing out.

It is the law. Does that have any bearing on the matter? Trump says no and he'll pardon anyone disobeying the law under his direction.