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CupWizier said:
So you are semi pro life then.
Do you see any value in planned parenthood and the services they provide?
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Well, I'm not certain of the term you use, but, yes, I could see certain situations whereas the life of the mother is in jeopardy and/or a helpless woman in a rape situation as grounds for abortion. I know there are others who are against it 100%, though. At any rate, beyond abortion in and of itself, these states legalizing partial/late-term abortion is abhorrent to me. That's entirely another story altogether, though.

Planned Parenthood value? Hmmmm....not especially.
 
ABM said:
Well, I'm not certain of the term you use, but, yes, I could see certain situations whereas the life of the mother is in jeopardy and/or a helpless woman in a rape situation as grounds for abortion. I know there are others who are against it 100%, though. At any rate, beyond abortion in and of itself, these states legalizing partial/late-term abortion is abhorrent to me. That's entirely another story altogether, though.

Planned Parenthood value? Hmmmm....not especially.
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Why not?
 
Lanny said:
And what about the woman? Has she no say in the matter which concerns her body and the body of none of the busybodies telling her what she can and can't do with her body?
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..and what about the father? What if he really wants that child? I suppose he has no say.
 
ABM said:
Well, I'm not certain of the term you use, but, yes, I could see certain situations whereas the life of the mother is in jeopardy and/or a helpless woman in a rape situation as grounds for abortion. I know there are others who are against it 100%, though. At any rate, beyond abortion in and of itself, these states legalizing partial/late-term abortion is abhorrent to me. That's entirely another story altogether, though.

Planned Parenthood value? Hmmmm....not especially.
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I think late term means less than 6 mos. pregnant. This isn't even enough time for the nervous system to be evolved.
Most abortions occur when the fetus looks like a lizard.
 
ABM said:
..and what about the father? What if he really wants that child? I suppose he has no say.
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If he's truly concerned about the lives of children...there are millions without parents alive now....adopt. China has a completely paternal society...men call all the shots, limits on childbirth, etc....a man really wanting a child doesn't have the lifelong impact of a woman who has to have a child she doesn't want or doesn't have the ways and means to care for. Josephine Baker the performer joined the French underground during WW2 and saved a lot of lives...she was wealthy and retired in a castle in Europe and adopted 30 plus children from impoverished nations around the world...raised them all herself...these things can be accomplished by anyone who believes in caring for needy children which the world has an endless supply of ...especially in countries where they have no option. If you have all this success and all these ways and means you can raise dozens of children and help innocent children to have healthy lives right now without stopping women from making life choices that have no consequence for you personally at all. If you've ever used a condom, you've made a choice to stop a possible pregnancy
 
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ABM said:
..and what about the father? What if he really wants that child? I suppose he has no say.
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It's not the father's body, it's the woman's body.
When men can get pregnant, I'll consider your point.
 
riverman said:
If he's truly concerned about the lives of children...there are millions without parents alive now....adopt. China has a completely paternal society...men call all the shots, limits on childbirth, etc....a man really wanting a child doesn't have the lifelong impact of a woman who has to have a child she doesn't want or doesn't have the ways and means to care for. Josephine Baker the performer joined the French underground during WW2 and saved a lot of lives...she was wealthy and retired in a castle in Europe and adopted 30 plus children from impoverished nations around the world...raised them all herself...these things can be accomplished by anyone who believes in caring for needy children which the world has an endless supply of ...especially in countries where they have no option. If you have all this success and all these ways and means you can raise dozens of children and help innocent children to have healthy lives right now without stopping women from making life choices that have no consequence for you personally at all. If you've ever used a condom, you've made a choice to stop a possible pregnancy
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Good comments. That said, I'm more about the responsibility/education upstream, then the disposable aspects downstream. Moreover, how do you feel about late-term abortions and circumstances that would necessitate the need for them?
 
ABM said:
It's an unnecessary government entity, IMO.
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So you don't think these services are important then?

Thanks to the affordable healthcare that Planned Parenthood provides women, outcomes from death in childbirth to teen pregnancy to contracting sexually transmitted infections and developing cervical cancer are all preventable, regardless of a woman's economic status.

You know, there are many people (in this case women) that don't have or can't afford these sort of services. Just turn your back on them then I guess is your position.

Do you believe in the death penalty?
 
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ABM said:
Good comments. That said, I'm more about the responsibility/education upstream, then the disposable aspects downstream. Moreover, how do you feel about late-term abortions and circumstances that would necessitate the need for them?
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do you have numbers of late term abortions? do you know how late these abortions occurred and why?
 
ABM said:
It's an unnecessary government entity, IMO.
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It's not a government entity although they provide services that the government would have to pick up if they were forced to close.
About 40% of their funding comes from the government with none of that going toward abortions.
 
CupWizier said:
So you don;t think these services are important then?

Thanks to the affordable healthcare that Planned Parenthood provides women, outcomes from death in childbirth to teen pregnancy to contracting sexually transmitted infections and developing cervical cancer are all preventable, regardless of a woman's economic status.

You know, there are many people (in this case women) that don't have or can't afford these sort of services. Just turn your back on them then I guess is your position.

Do you believe in the death penalty?
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My niece got her cancer treatment from them.
 
ABM said:
Good comments. That said, I'm more about the responsibility/education upstream, then the disposable aspects downstream. Moreover, how do you feel about late-term abortions and circumstances that would necessitate the need for them?
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I don't believe in late term abortions and history has shown they occur most often when medically supervised safe abortion methods are illegal. The only late term abortion that should be legal in my view is one that is necessary to save the life of the mother while attempting to save the life of a child....mother's also abort children in the womb who are not living...which they have no choice in...I trust doctor's who have worked as trauma surgeons....my neighbor is a retired emergency room trauma surgeon and has a very long history of these situations and complications that arise from them. I believe in freedom of choice for women capable of making coherent choices across the board...it's not my place to insist they do anything I might choose to do.
 
riverman said:
I don't believe in late term abortions and history has shown they occur most often when medically supervised safe abortion methods are illegal. The only late term abortion that should be legal in my view is one that is necessary to save the life of the mother while attempting to save the life of a child....mother's also abort children in the womb who are not living...which they have no choice in...I trust doctor's who have worked as trauma surgeons....my neighbor is a retired emergency room trauma surgeon and has a very long history of these situations and complications that arise from them. I believe in freedom of choice for women capable of making coherent choices across the board...it's not my place to insist they do anything I might choose to do.
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I know many doctors won't do late term abortions already and I would have no problem in restricting it unless medically necessary. I also know most clinics offer counseling before they will even consider any abortion. I hate to see us go back to the back alley days of illegal abortions. To me, the supreme court ruled on this already in Roe vs Wade so essentially abm is asking to go against the supreme court ruling.
 
CupWizier said:
So you don't think these services are important then?

Thanks to the affordable healthcare that Planned Parenthood provides women, outcomes from death in childbirth to teen pregnancy to contracting sexually transmitted infections and developing cervical cancer are all preventable, regardless of a woman's economic status.

You know, there are many people (in this case women) that don't have or can't afford these sort of services. Just turn your back on them then I guess is your position.

Do you believe in the death penalty?
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If PP could keep their mitts off of convenient abortions, and the like, I can absolutely understand the need for an entity (government or not) whose focus is on the medical care and preventative health education of females and males alike.

I've been answering your questions, do YOU believe in the death penalty?
 
ABM said:
If PP could keep their mitts off of convenient abortions, and the like, I can absolutely understand the need for an entity (government or not) whose focus is on the medical care and preventative health education of females and males alike.

I've been answering your questions, do YOU believe in the death penalty?
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I believe in the death penalty absolutely...I don't believe in feeding and housing and caring for a serial killer for 70 years while they make a movie of his life either....
 
ABM said:
Well, I'm not certain of the term you use, but, yes, I could see certain situations whereas the life of the mother is in jeopardy and/or a helpless woman in a rape situation as grounds for abortion. I know there are others who are against it 100%, though. At any rate, beyond abortion in and of itself, these states legalizing partial/late-term abortion is abhorrent to me. That's entirely another story altogether, though.

Planned Parenthood value? Hmmmm....not especially.
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Is there a 'late term abortion' issue in the US? I think its about 1-2% of all abortions, and due to health of the mother, or her life being in danger. Do people think that women walk into Planned Parenthood at 35 weeks and say, yeah, please end this?
 
ABM said:
If PP could keep their mitts off of convenient abortions, and the like, I can absolutely understand the need for an entity (government or not) whose focus is on the medical care and preventative health education of females and males alike.

I've been answering your questions, do YOU believe in the death penalty?
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I'm against the death penalty. No. 1 it goes against my religion. Why should we kill someone when we have the ability to keep them away from the public for the rest of their lives.
To answer riverman's remark, proceeds from serial killer book and movie deals do not go to the serial killer. I think they go to the families of the victims.
I'd like to add that the dollar cost of keeping a serial killer in prison for the rest of his life is cheaper than putting him to death. I can look that up if anyone disputes it, but be forewarned, I've looked it up before.
 
Lanny said:
I'm against the death penalty. No. 1 it goes against my religion. Why should we kill someone when we have the ability to keep them away from the public for the rest of their lives.
To answer riverman's remark, proceeds from serial killer book and movie deals do not go to the serial killer. I think they go to the families of the victims.
I'd like to add that the dollar cost of keeping a serial killer in prison for the rest of his life is cheaper than putting him to death. I can look that up if anyone disputes it, but be forewarned, I've looked it up before.
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https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874

You're right though those who are for the death penalty would probably add that the reasons for that are all because of the process in order to execute someone and that people on death row are in it for an average of 16 years. So the argument for would also need to include a better, cleaner, faster process to execute.

I'm against the death penalty though.
 
Lanny said:
My niece got her cancer treatment from them.
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I'm all about that. I just would prefer that my tax dollars don't go to an organization that's involved with performing abortions by choice (non-health-threatening situations and the like). If there are private entities that provide such, then so be it.
 
Lanny said:
None of that has anything to do with government proceeds, not a nickel. Go ahead, look it up. By the way, the government watches for discrepancies of this nature and doesn't find them.
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OK, ya got me there, Lanny.

https://rtl.org/legislation/tax-dollars-paying-for-abortion/

Does Planned Parenthood use taxpayer money on abortions?
Planned Parenthood receives more than $500 million dollars in taxpayer funding every year. Much of their taxpayer money comes through Medicaid, which is jointly funded by federal and state taxpayers. Currently 17 states add their own state taxpayer dollars to pay directly for abortions. They also receive many taxpayer dollars through the Title X family planning program. There is zero meaningful separation of staff, facilities, and operational costs at Planned Parenthood clinics between government-funded services and abortions. Federal contract rules allow taxpayer funds to pay staff salaries, supplies, and facility costs on a “pro-rated” basis. It is merely an accounting gimmick; tax dollars literally pay the rent and energy costs to keep abortion clinics running and funds staff that help perform abortions. Planned Parenthood claims abortion is inseparable from their mission, and with half of their budget coming from taxpayers, it’s safe to say our tax dollars are inseparable from their abortion mission. Recent annual reports show Planned Parenthood’s dramatic increase in taxpayer funding has led them to expand abortion while cutting clients and other health services.
 
ABM said:
https://rewire.news/article/2019/01...re-mission-says-planned-parenthood-president/
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and why is that an issue? It's allowed by law and backed by the supreme court ruling which is the highest court in the country. You want to make your own laws? You say you are a single issue voter and that issue is abortion. A president has very limited ability, regardless of his stance on an issue,to be able to do anything about it and I would be surprised if it ever got to the supreme court again that they would over rule an already established verdict. You said you voted for trump simply on his stance on abortion but yet you get all the baggage that he has already shown and nothing has been done on abortions other than to try and defund Planned Parenthood which does much more than abortions.
 
CupWizier said:
You said you voted for trump simply on his stance on abortion....
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What I'm really saying there is that I voted AGAINST Hillary and all she's stood for in this realm. I'm also saying that, in my opinion, if any of the Democratic candidates running are elected, they, too will continue to push the right-to-choose agendas. I don't like that, nor most anything else they're running on. Again, as mentioned, I'm a Kasich guy at heart. And, yeah, he's a right-to-lifer.
 
ABM said:
What I'm really saying there is that I voted AGAINST Hillary and all she's stood for in this realm. I'm also saying that, in my opinion, if any of the Democratic candidates running are elected, they, too will continue to push the right-to-choose agendas. I don't like that, nor most anything else they're running on. Again, as mentioned, I'm a Kasich guy at heart. And, yeah, he's a right-to-lifer.
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So you have no problem with your tax dollars paying for the massive amount of golf that trump plays and the enormous cost to tax payers, or the enormous defense budget in which our budget is more than the next 6-8 highest countries combined? or 25 billion plus for a border wall? or for this administration to take money from programs that were funded by congress and trump tries to divert that money for his wall? No problem with your tax dollars being used that way eh?
 
ABM said:
What I'm really saying there is that I voted AGAINST Hillary and all she's stood for in this realm. I'm also saying that, in my opinion, if any of the Democratic candidates running are elected, they, too will continue to push the right-to-choose agendas. I don't like that, nor most anything else they're running on. Again, as mentioned, I'm a Kasich guy at heart. And, yeah, he's a right-to-lifer.
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I think you're confusing partisan politics with women's rights and the freedom to choose is a two way door....I'm glad you are free to have as many babies as you want and vote against your opposition...I'm also really glad there's an opposition...the agenda to me is purely freedom of choice...for you and the teen raped by the weird creepy uncle.
 
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