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Stro can use his talents better than Sean can right now. Sean will still be the better player.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>at least he knows that Swift is more talented</div>

More talented? Are you kidding me? The guy has been in the league for 7 years, and barely does anything better than a rookie.
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williams will become more talented if he works at it, but at this point in their careers swift is more talented. stro dribbles better, shoots better, passes better, and has more post moves.
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I'd rather let Williams develop, than give minutes to Swift, who in the end, won't amount to anything.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>at least he knows that Swift is more talented</div>

More talented? Are you kidding me? The guy has been in the league for 7 years, and barely does anything better than a rookie.
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williams will become more talented if he works at it, but at this point in their careers swift is more talented. stro dribbles better, shoots better, passes better, and has more post moves.
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I'd rather let Williams develop, than give minutes to Swift, who in the end, won't amount to anything.
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what does that have to do with which player is more talented at the moment?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>at least he knows that Swift is more talented</div>

More talented? Are you kidding me? The guy has been in the league for 7 years, and barely does anything better than a rookie.
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williams will become more talented if he works at it, but at this point in their careers swift is more talented. stro dribbles better, shoots better, passes better, and has more post moves.
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No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>at least he knows that Swift is more talented</div>

More talented? Are you kidding me? The guy has been in the league for 7 years, and barely does anything better than a rookie.
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williams will become more talented if he works at it, but at this point in their careers swift is more talented. stro dribbles better, shoots better, passes better, and has more post moves.
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I'd rather let Williams develop, than give minutes to Swift, who in the end, won't amount to anything.
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what does that have to do with which player is more talented at the moment?
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Aren't we discussing why Swift isn't playing?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>at least he knows that Swift is more talented</div>

More talented? Are you kidding me? The guy has been in the league for 7 years, and barely does anything better than a rookie.
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williams will become more talented if he works at it, but at this point in their careers swift is more talented. stro dribbles better, shoots better, passes better, and has more post moves.
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No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.
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A: more talented doesn't necessarily mean better.
B: stro has had ONE problem with a coach and/or teammate in his 8 year career. ONE. he doesn't "always start shit." sean got booted from college for smoking pot. that's worse than anything swift has ever done. i don't consider either of them a problem shild.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Mar 29 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>at least he knows that Swift is more talented</div>

More talented? Are you kidding me? The guy has been in the league for 7 years, and barely does anything better than a rookie.
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williams will become more talented if he works at it, but at this point in their careers swift is more talented. stro dribbles better, shoots better, passes better, and has more post moves.
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I'd rather let Williams develop, than give minutes to Swift, who in the end, won't amount to anything.
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what does that have to do with which player is more talented at the moment?
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Aren't we discussing why Swift isn't playing?
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that's not what i was discussing. all i said was that at this point swift is more talented than williams. i've given up on stro getting any minutes in new jersey, i hope to god he just opts out or gets traded.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.</div>

Damn how can a team pay 6.2M for that?

And always starts shit? Right...

How can you love Swat and think that he will be Amare and hate Swift like that? If they are so similar...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.</div>

Damn how can a team pay 6.2M for that?

And always starts shit? Right...

How can you love Swat and think that he will be Amare and hate Swift like that? If they are so similar...
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Attitude. williams is a good kid and swift is a virus that ruins everything wherever he goes.
When people say that they are similar players it doesnt mean that their talent level is the same. It mean that their physique & atributes are the same. Like they are both athletic and can block shots and look scrawny. Thats why we say that swat has to bulk up and develop to not end up like swift.


 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Attitude. williams is a good kid and swift is a virus that ruins everything wherever he goes.</div>

stop talking out of your ass. get your facts straight. swift has NEVER been regarded as a cancer. he explained that he was very frustrated during his incident with iavaroni and how it's not like him to do things like that, which is the truth. he's known as a laid-back type of guy who keeps quiet most of the time. learn your shit before you argue with me please.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.</div>

Damn how can a team pay 6.2M for that?

And always starts shit? Right...

How can you love Swat and think that he will be Amare and hate Swift like that? If they are so similar...
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Attitude. williams is a good kid and swift is a virus that ruins everything wherever he goes.
When people say that they are similar players it doesnt mean that their talent level is the same. It mean that their physique & atributes are the same. Like they are both athletic and can block shots and look scrawny. Thats why we say that swat has to bulk up and develop to not end up like swift.



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Really?
I say it because I want him to become a better basketball player
 
Dude there is a reason he has a bad rep . Theres a reason why fans and players think that he is not a good player to have on your bench because of his attitude, and if you think "im talking out of my ass", then why are you even arguing with me. Its obvious that Stromile Swift is some kind of idol to you, so it would be very stupid and time consuming for me to prove your "god" is not who you think he is. Spare me the pain in the narse.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Mar 29 2008, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.</div>

Damn how can a team pay 6.2M for that?

And always starts shit? Right...

How can you love Swat and think that he will be Amare and hate Swift like that? If they are so similar...
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Attitude. williams is a good kid and swift is a virus that ruins everything wherever he goes.
When people say that they are similar players it doesnt mean that their talent level is the same. It mean that their physique & atributes are the same. Like they are both athletic and can block shots and look scrawny. Thats why we say that swat has to bulk up and develop to not end up like swift.



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Really?
I say it because I want him to become a better basketball player

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Not you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
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Get your facts right before saying some dumb shit. Stro had one altercation which happened this year, since he was not playing on a weak ass team...which is kinda right to me when you're now 28. He won an award this year for his hard work in preseason.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/...er-pride-award/

Like Stro4 said, Williams got booted from college for smoking weed...I guess he loves the game.

How do YOU know that Williams is a good kid? OK he can block shots, but just like Swift he might struggle to make the next step. Just because he's young, doesn't mean he can be better. Yeah he can run around the court and be agressive (and pick fouls...), but that's not all there is to be a great player.
 
I said i was done. Think whatever makes you feel better buddy. Last thing i will say on the subject..
He basically got swaped for Jason Collins.
That is all you need to know.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
No. Swat was better than swift the moment he was born. swift is horrible and player that never developed and he is that no team want on their bench because he always starts shit.</div>

Damn how can a team pay 6.2M for that?

And always starts shit? Right...

How can you love Swat and think that he will be Amare and hate Swift like that? If they are so similar...
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Attitude. williams is a good kid and swift is a virus that ruins everything wherever he goes.
When people say that they are similar players it doesnt mean that their talent level is the same. It mean that their physique & atributes are the same. Like they are both athletic and can block shots and look scrawny. Thats why we say that swat has to bulk up and develop to not end up like swift.



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I don't know where you're getting your "facts" from. Swift isn't a virus at all. Hell, the only thing that's wrong with him is that he doesn't live up to his potential. He's a quiet guy, it just isn't in his personality to be a "virus".

Sure, he may act like he's disappointed over playing time, but what player doesn't do that? We've seen articles point out that Sean would rather be starting. That's exactly the behavior Swift as shown. Shall we jump the gun, and call Sean a "virus"?

The reason teams don't want Swift is because of his terrible contract. 6 million is way too much to spend on a role player, which IMO is all he is (and a valuable one, if used the right way). At the most, he's deserving of 3 million.

Oh, and the Jason Collins swap was more for financial reasons than a pure talent swap. There was a small amount less on Swift's contract than on Collins, and it was to get the team under the luxury tax (of course, not a problem now...). (Also, credit info to NetIncome)

And lastly, Swift and Sean are not all that alike. They are pretty different players. Just because they're athletic and thin, doesn't mean they're all that similar. For one, Sean has much more potential than Swift...
 
^winner! thanks for helping to bring some knowledge into this thread, no one will listen to me because i have "stro" in my username.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Mar 29 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Attitude. williams is a good kid and swift is a virus that ruins everything wherever he goes.</div>

stop talking out of your ass. get your facts straight. swift has NEVER been regarded as a cancer. he explained that he was very frustrated during his incident with iavaroni and how it's not like him to do things like that, which is the truth. he's known as a laid-back type of guy who keeps quiet most of the time. learn your shit before you argue with me please.
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Agreed, in his entire career he's never had any problems (at least not publicized ones) up until the Iavaroni incident (which wasn't really much of anything, it's not like he went Spree and strangled the dude, he just said something to him and went and sat on the bench.)
 
wow... tht was intense...

my opinion: 3 reasons why STRO isnt playing rite now:

1. So that he will OPT out of his contract to save money.

2. Frank rather give more minutes to Sean for him to develop.

3. Stro doesnt really understand the plays and the offence (as if many players do..)


Sean has more potential.
Stro is better built.

With that said, i'd rather see sean in the game to develop and give the team a boost, however in regards to gaurding some guy like TD or Shaq i rather see STRO than Sean or Boki (Frank's idol).

I believe STRO is going to OPT out, but in order to help the nets during their so called "Playoff run" STRO should be out there to gaurd bigs and provide some offense(although limited).

Rite now, Frank tries to use Diop and Boki to gaurd bigs. Boki because he loves small lineups....which i think is bull cause boki is struggling so he shouldve gave the other bigs more time. Boone is solid and should get most of the minutes, Nenad is decent if his stroke is there, but he is often tired so if frank only needs defense I personally prefer DIOP. DIOP= no offense, sloppy, Big body. If Frank wants defense and a lil offense I say STRO, but put in mind that STRO would seem clueless out there. If Frank wants a spark I say Sean.

Sorry if it seems confusing.

Sean= More minutes to develop, gives team spark.
Stro= Limited minutes to save money, okay defense, okay offense.
Diop= More minutes IF there is guys like TD to gaurd, Big body to defend, NO offense, sloppy.
Nenad= Depends on his stroke and his health.
Boone= Most minutes in a consistant basis, to develop and he is most all-arounded big.
 
It still doesn't say why he won't play stro. Just don't play to 2 of them together. Tyson chandler gets a lot of points off of lob passed, why can't they do the same with stro.
 
im goin to be fair... stro is a good 4.... better than boki when frank plays his small lineups... and stro has some kind of offense unlike boone who needs a facilitator or even swat whos a bit lost in offense (granted they dont run anything for him).
frank i have to admit doesnt use him right. and i havent heard that hes been a bad teammate or a bad person other than the altercation this year. i have always like stro and he deserves a shot, he isnt a rookie that needs to trained, he knows his role. im all for giving him minutes and see how he contributes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 29 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i would trade sean for brand</div>


I woulnt do that. You have to give him more tme in practice and at the gym. He is very talented and has potential to become an amare type player. You dont just give that up easily because its hard to find. Maybe he has hit rookie wall but he will be back next season at least 10 times better.

Bottom line is he needs time to bulk up and develop.
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You're kidding right?

You wouldn't trade a pothead for an all-star? We'll see about the Amare type player stuff...

On coach Frank, at least he knows that Swift is more talented but I never thought that he would play Swift and Williams together in the first place so I'm not surprised.
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First of all.. i kid you not. brand is 30 and will probably want max money which will leave us in a bad position if we have any hopes on signing lebron. Swat is only 20 years old and needs time to develop like all young players do.
And swift is not more talented than Swat. And they cant play together because they are the same players, so then it comes down to whos better? The obvious pick would be sean williams, and thats why swift is in the doghouse
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So.. you wouldn't trade a player who has a 5% chance of becoming an "Amare type player" for Elton Brand?
You do realize that Brand is better than Amare at pretty much.. everything? If he had half the teammates Amare has had in his career, Brand would be mentioned in the same sentence as TD when talking about great PFs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Apr 1 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 29 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i would trade sean for brand</div>


I woulnt do that. You have to give him more tme in practice and at the gym. He is very talented and has potential to become an amare type player. You dont just give that up easily because its hard to find. Maybe he has hit rookie wall but he will be back next season at least 10 times better.

Bottom line is he needs time to bulk up and develop.
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You're kidding right?

You wouldn't trade a pothead for an all-star? We'll see about the Amare type player stuff...

On coach Frank, at least he knows that Swift is more talented but I never thought that he would play Swift and Williams together in the first place so I'm not surprised.
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First of all.. i kid you not. brand is 30 and will probably want max money which will leave us in a bad position if we have any hopes on signing lebron. Swat is only 20 years old and needs time to develop like all young players do.
And swift is not more talented than Swat. And they cant play together because they are the same players, so then it comes down to whos better? The obvious pick would be sean williams, and thats why swift is in the doghouse
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So.. you wouldn't trade a player who has a 5% chance of becoming an "Amare type player" for Elton Brand?
<u>You do realize that Brand is better than Amare at pretty much.. everything? </u>If he had half the teammates Amare has had in his career, Brand would be mentioned in the same sentence as TD when talking about great PFs.
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Yeah ok.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 1 2008, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Apr 1 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stro6swift @ Mar 29 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Mar 29 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Mar 29 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i would trade sean for brand</div>


I woulnt do that. You have to give him more tme in practice and at the gym. He is very talented and has potential to become an amare type player. You dont just give that up easily because its hard to find. Maybe he has hit rookie wall but he will be back next season at least 10 times better.

Bottom line is he needs time to bulk up and develop.
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You're kidding right?

You wouldn't trade a pothead for an all-star? We'll see about the Amare type player stuff...

On coach Frank, at least he knows that Swift is more talented but I never thought that he would play Swift and Williams together in the first place so I'm not surprised.
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First of all.. i kid you not. brand is 30 and will probably want max money which will leave us in a bad position if we have any hopes on signing lebron. Swat is only 20 years old and needs time to develop like all young players do.
And swift is not more talented than Swat. And they cant play together because they are the same players, so then it comes down to whos better? The obvious pick would be sean williams, and thats why swift is in the doghouse
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So.. you wouldn't trade a player who has a 5% chance of becoming an "Amare type player" for Elton Brand?
<u>You do realize that Brand is better than Amare at pretty much.. everything? </u>If he had half the teammates Amare has had in his career, Brand would be mentioned in the same sentence as TD when talking about great PFs.
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Yeah ok.
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Brand has a legit post up game.
Brand's twice the rebounder Amare is, esp. on the offensive end.
Brand is a much better facilitator than Amare. For ex, check APG.
Brand has an excellent defensive rep, while Amare's def always gets knocked on.

-They shoot roughly the same FT%.
-Amare has a slight advantage in FG%, but he gets assisted on about 10% more FGs than Brand does.
-They average roughly the same TOPG, although once again, if you consider that Brand actually plays like a big man while a large amount of Amare's FGs are "catch and dunk" type of things, you can give Brand the advantage.
 
We could definitely use a legit low post threat and Brand would give us that. No more of this trying to win with perimeter players BS cause it's just not working.

Krstic is a jumpshooter, Boone you can't consider a bonafide low post threat cause you need a facilitator to feed him easy buckets and Diop just doesn't strike me as dominant in the paint. Brand doesn't need anyone to feed him to ball to score which will alleviate pressure from Harris and Carter.

If we're looking to get back in to the championship race next year, then if it takes giving up Sean Williams, then I'm all for it. The only question is, are we trying to win a championship in the immediate future over rebuilding?
 
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