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If that’s the case, we can’t just let him walk for nothing. Towards the deadline, if he keeps this up, he’ll show he’s either too valuable to not be on this team long-term, or be so valuable other teams will offer more for him at the deadline, or both.

There are certainly a lot of scenarios as the season progresses; including the two you listed. I'm guessing the most likely outcome would be to trade him to a team looking to contend who has a young big and draft assests. If we think we're a contender come February, then that changes everything.
 
This would require Jody being ok being a longer term tax team. Nothing in her time has shown she's willing to do that.

Incorrect.

Your definitive statement "This would require" is making many assumptions that may or may not happen. We don't know if Nurk/GP2/etc other players salaries are on the roster at the end of 2024 season when a possible Hart extension could first begin to trigger tax. We also don't know what the cap and tax will spike up to. Your statement "longer term" alludes to multiple seasons of tax so now your talking about 2025 or repeater tax which would begin in 2027 at the earliest. Plus who knows what kind of CBA changes could happen; there might not even be a tax or maybe it will be 200% of the cap.

Its very stupid to trade away Hart now because what could happen if we leave every other player on the roster (which has never happened before), plus the cap doesn't spike (which appears unlikely), just to avoid some tax penalty that may or may not even be around.
 
I'm guessing the most likely outcome would be to trade him to a team looking to contend who has a young big and draft assests.

I'm guessing not. There is no compelling evidence to support this random guess.

I could make guesses that the Blazers will trade Dame for a draft pick, Ant for a backup wing, or Nurk for Wemba.
 
Sure its possible we trade Hart;

But its possible we trade Nurk, he looks overpaid.
Ant is great but maybe the team would be better with a star wing next to Dame instead of a similar guard and another team would want Ant's upside.
Maybe Grant is going to be overpaid, is a poor rebounder, and the team wants to avoid luxury tax his contract could have in 2027.
Maybe Sharpe value has jumped throughout the league and the Blazers have a chance to sell high for a boatload of picks.
NAS is locked into a reasonable contract, maybe a tax team wants to trade for that cost certainty.
Dame has proven he has recovered and is playing elite, maybe he can now get that monster all time great trade offer with a young stud and tons of picks.

You could put rationale of why it makes sense to trade any player on the Blazers. Yes players can be traded, thats how the NBA has always worked.

Yes Hart could become more expensive on his next contract. But he also could resign on a reasonable deal, that is something to figure out first in the summer, and secondly by the February 2024 trade deadline when luxury tax is set. The pending possible increase of his salary would hurt his value in a trade just as much as it hurts his value to the Blazers, so it's doesn't definitively mean he is more or less likely to be traded.

You could alternatively make arguments that Hart has even more value to the Blazers with his contract in that the Blazers can try to resign him on a bargain contract, he appears to enjoy being with this group and may consider resigning at a more reasonable rate, and the Blazers can use the excuse of luxury tax concerns to bargain a reasonable rate. If another team trades for Hart they would be forced to resign for him or admit they gave up value for a player who walked for nothing months later. That puts a ton of pressure on the acquiring teams GM and harms their ability to negotiate a reasonable contract.
 
Incorrect.

Your definitive statement "This would require" is making many assumptions that may or may not happen. We don't know if Nurk/GP2/etc other players salaries are on the roster at the end of 2024 season when a possible Hart extension could first begin to trigger tax. We also don't know what the cap and tax will spike up to. Your statement "longer term" alludes to multiple seasons of tax so now your talking about 2025 or repeater tax which would begin in 2027 at the earliest. Plus who knows what kind of CBA changes could happen; there might not even be a tax or maybe it will be 200% of the cap.

Its very stupid to trade away Hart now because what could happen if we leave every other player on the roster (which has never happened before), plus the cap doesn't spike (which appears unlikely), just to avoid some tax penalty that may or may not even be around.

I'm guessing not. There is no compelling evidence to support this random guess.

I could make guesses that the Blazers will trade Dame for a draft pick, Ant for a backup wing, or Nurk for Wemba.

If you aren't compelled by the previous actions of ownership and want to ignore the trends to keep your hope alive, that's perfectly fine with me. I hope Jody wants to start acting like Joe Lacob or Steve Ballmer. I hope we can keep Hart.

I wish the Blazers could live in the world you suggest where they don't forecast future salary cap and tax levels. That would be awesome!
 
If you aren't compelled by the previous actions of ownership and want to ignore the trends to keep your hope alive, that's perfectly fine with me. I hope Jody wants to start acting like Joe Lacob or Steve Ballmer. I hope we can keep Hart.

I wish the Blazers could live in the world you suggest where they don't forecast future salary cap and tax levels. That would be awesome!

All valid concerns long term and in future seasons.

But none of that leads me to believe the Blazers are more likely to trade Josh Hart while he is starting in a season the team is under the tax.
 
All valid concerns long term and in future seasons.

But none of that leads me to believe the Blazers are more likely to trade Josh Hart while he is starting in a season the team is under the tax.

Fair to disagree. The beauty of these threads/predictions is we can always revisit them in a year and see what assumptions we got right and what we got wrong.

They may be under the tax today, but I assume they've already agreed to an extension for Grant in principle.

We both like Hart, so we agree there!
 
Does anyone know--does Hart's player option for next year essentially mean that he's ineligible to be extended, or that if he were to be extended, that he would have to accept the 12.96M PO as part of that extension?
 
Does anyone know--does Hart's player option for next year essentially mean that he's ineligible to be extended, or that if he were to be extended, that he would have to accept the 12.96M PO as part of that extension?

I'm assuming Harts contract is not eligible for extension (maybe it wasnt long enough or something) since I've never heard of that being a possibility. Grant we've heard dozens of times can be extended.
 
All valid concerns long term and in future seasons.

But none of that leads me to believe the Blazers are more likely to trade Josh Hart while he is starting in a season the team is under the tax.

Looks like our friend Mike Richmond might've been reading the forum. He spent the first 10 min of his show this morning talking about this very issue.

 
Does anyone know--does Hart's player option for next year essentially mean that he's ineligible to be extended, or that if he were to be extended, that he would have to accept the 12.96M PO as part of that extension?

he hasn't hit the 2 year anniversary of that contract yet so he's not eligible for an extension. Meaning he couldn't be extended till July; meaning, since the Blazers have full Bird Rights, he could opt out in June, than sign a new deal with Portland in July
 
he hasn't hit the 2 year anniversary of that contract yet so he's not eligible for an extension. Meaning he couldn't be extended till July; meaning, since the Blazers have full Bird Rights, he could opt out in June, than sign a new deal with Portland in July
So New Orleans committed (what I've heard is) the atrocious sin of signing a free agent, and then trading him that same season?! Oh my--no one will ever sign with them again!
 
So New Orleans committed (what I've heard is) the atrocious sin of signing a free agent, and then trading him that same season?! Oh my--no one will ever sign with them again!

lol...I'm assuming this is residue of a prior argument?
 
We traded CJ for Hart IMO, highly doubt we'll let him go.
yes, but we also drafted another wing (sharpe) with similar (better) physical profile and used our full MLE while hardcapping ourselves to get another guy (GP2) who would play a similar role/position as Hart.

Both of these things happened after the Hart for CJ trade.

I am inclined to think we were fairly close to completing the rumored trade before the draft (Hart + #7 for OG), but balked when Masai asked for Nas too. Glad we did not do that awful trade and I love the potential of Shaedon too much to consider it now, but that trade would have definitely added some balance to our roster.

Dame/ Ant
Ant/ GP2 (sign him after FA started)
OG / Nas?
Grant / Watford
Nurk / Eubanks
 
So New Orleans committed (what I've heard is) the atrocious sin of signing a free agent, and then trading him that same season?! Oh my--no one will ever sign with them again!
He was resigned in NO, acquired in the AD trade.

We did similar with trading Powell.

Seems much more rare to trade away a player acquired as a free agent a few months later.
 
I remember the excitement of getting Hart not too long ago. Now people are talking about trading him when all he has done is fill a couple huge needs and fill them well. He is the most diverse defender on this team and he allows Chauncey extreme flexibility with the matchups. On top of that, he is the best finisher on drives (but Sharpe will take that title soon), he brings a toughness and intensity we haven't had in a while and he is the best rebounder on the team. Plus, I think his hustle and defensive effort has already affected a few other guys.
 

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