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Nikolokolus said:
Good point.

The motion has been put forward. As president I second the motion. The motion has been seconded and put to vote. All in favor?
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I vote against. calling him Rex is insulting.

I was pleased to see how Bayless played- btw he did pass out on at least one drive I remember- but I'm becoming more convinced that Sergio is more talented playmaker of the three. Simply put, he makes more easy baskets.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Take a deep breath and try to see the slightly tongue in cheek nature of my original post ... but I would like to see a little more of B-Rex as the season progresses.
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That's gold Jerry! Gold!! I sorta doubt he would take to the name, but I love it if that's any consolation.


Minstrel said:
Bayless absolutely needs more minutes. My dream scenario is that another team likes Sergio Rodriguez and Pritchard can package him with LaFrentz and/or Outlaw for a talented, young player. Leaving the point guard position settled; Blake as starter with Bayless as primary reserve for now, with the situation reversing as Bayless gets experience.
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I think most would agree that Bayless' game resembles more Blake than Sergio. So, is redundancy good in this case, where we have similar skill sets coming in and out for each other? Or are we better served having two different players to choose from to run point? I think I'm in the latter camp, but I can see arguments for either.
 
Drttimmy said:
I think most would agree that Bayless' game resembles more Blake than Sergio. So, is redundancy good in this case, where we have similar skill sets coming in and out for each other? Or are we better served having two different players to choose from to run point? I think I'm in the latter camp, but I can see arguments for either.
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Redundancy isn't a big problem. "Change of pace" is interesting, but not that convincingly a big deal. The bigger issues, IMO, are:

1. Blake is basically a run-of-the-mill backup point guard. His ilk can generally be found fairly easily for trade or on the market for part of a team's MLE. Rodriguez has the rarer talent and thus may be the more intriguing trade asset, if another team looks at Rodriguez and dreams of a potential Jose Calderon.

2. Blake is a solid, mistake-free point guard who fits well as a backup. With scoring threats like Fernandez and Outlaw off the bench, he's capable of getting it to them and getting out of the way, leading to a more stable second unit. Rodriguez is chaotic...if we anticipate having a starting unit superior to everyone else's, we should value a second unit who brings stable certainty of preserving leads, rather than a tempermental one that can as easily build a lead or lose a lead. Let the starters win the game and the second unit keep things even while the starters are resting.

3. Blake can't really complain about being a backup. Unless he's delusional, he knows he isn't likely to start for an elite team. Rodriguez seems more likely to think of himself as a potentially elite starter, because at times he looks like one. Blake has settled into mediocrity and is more likely to be satisfied coming off the bench in subsquent years.

All these factors make me think that Rodriguez is probably the best trade bait. I like the idea of a change-of-pace point guard, but the above factors are more compelling to me.
 
I think Blake is a better player than Sergio, especially next to Roy - but Sergio has chemistry with Rudy and he is a chance of pace kind of PG.

While I am certainly not one of the Sergio kool-aid drinkers - he is playing much better this year than before, especially at this stage of the year and will probably only get better - where I am not certain we will see much more out of Blake when all is said and done.

As always - IKPWT.
 
Drttimmy said:
I think most would agree that Bayless' game resembles more Blake than Sergio. So, is redundancy good in this case, where we have similar skill sets coming in and out for each other? Or are we better served having two different players to choose from to run point? I think I'm in the latter camp, but I can see arguments for either.
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I don't agree at all, all three of them are very different players.

Blake - doesn't take many risks, shoots the 3 well. "Runs" the offense, meaning can give the ball to the guy in the post. He's not very good at creating buckets for himself or others.
Sergio plays the pick and roll, he can penetrate and kick it out, but can't finish. He can create for others, but not really himself.
Bayless drives and gets to the line. He can create for himself, not sure yet if he can create for others.

Blake's offensive game fits in better with the starters. As for backup PG, until we know more about how Bayless' game translates from the summer league to the NBA, as well as who's going to be in the 2nd unit (ie once the dust settles from any possible RLEC, Outlaw, Webster, Frye trades), it's hard to tell.

I do love Bayless' lateral quickness and ability to get to the FT line though. IMO in the longterm, that sets him apart from Blake and Sergio.
 
Bayless reminds me of a mix between Clyde Drexler and Dwayne Wade. Right now Bayless may not be ready to run the point as well as Nate would like, but he's certainly capable of driving to the hoop and getting to the line. And that is exactly what this team needs. Since Nate can't seem to teach the euro's to do anything but shoot threes, the team needs Bayless to come in and show them how to play ball in America.
 
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Bayless plays with a swagger and a 'don't fuck with me' attitude.

I bet he'll average a fight per season. I like that kind of fire in a player.
 
Nikolokolus said:
In the spirit of last year's "Free Sergio" campaign I've decided to take it upon myself to start a new movement this year: "Free Bayless." All you have to do, is post in every game thread (at least 5 times) "Put Jerryd in!", "Why isn't Nate putting Jerryd in.", and/or "What this team really needs right now, is Jerryd." Follow up topics are welcomed too, and make sure that you say how much Sergio and Blake suck.

Who's with me?

:wink: :ghoti:
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Nik, is that you?

You sure this is really Kingspeed posting as Nik?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Nik, is that you?

You sure this is really Kingspeed posting as Nik?
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Hehe.

Well I should probably direct your attention here: http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1818203&postcount=18

I'm what you might call "kidding on the square" (to borrow a phrase from Al Franken) I absolutely loathed last year's ridiculous "Free Sergio" movement that sprung up on Blazersedge and other message boards I check. I thought it would be kind of funny to post something like this to highlight the stupidity of proclaiming "Player X is ready to play" based on a super small sample size.

But I should admit I'm only partially joking; I'd really like to see more Jerryd on the court if he's going to bring the kind of grit he displayed the other night. However, I have no doubt he's not quite ready to to take away minutes from Sergio and Blake on a nightly basis ... but when he is, I have a feeling he could really open some eyes.
 
Minstrel said:
Redundancy isn't a big problem. "Change of pace" is interesting, but not that convincingly a big deal. The bigger issues, IMO, are:

1. Blake is basically a run-of-the-mill backup point guard. His ilk can generally be found fairly easily for trade or on the market for part of a team's MLE. Rodriguez has the rarer talent and thus may be the more intriguing trade asset, if another team looks at Rodriguez and dreams of a potential Jose Calderon.

2. Blake is a solid, mistake-free point guard who fits well as a backup. With scoring threats like Fernandez and Outlaw off the bench, he's capable of getting it to them and getting out of the way, leading to a more stable second unit. Rodriguez is chaotic...if we anticipate having a starting unit superior to everyone else's, we should value a second unit who brings stable certainty of preserving leads, rather than a tempermental one that can as easily build a lead or lose a lead. Let the starters win the game and the second unit keep things even while the starters are resting.

3. Blake can't really complain about being a backup. Unless he's delusional, he knows he isn't likely to start for an elite team. Rodriguez seems more likely to think of himself as a potentially elite starter, because at times he looks like one. Blake has settled into mediocrity and is more likely to be satisfied coming off the bench in subsquent years.

All these factors make me think that Rodriguez is probably the best trade bait. I like the idea of a change-of-pace point guard, but the above factors are more compelling to me.
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+1

I'm not sure if Blake is just a run-of-the-mill back PG up any more than Joel is a run-of-the-mill back up center. I think either one of them could play a role on a Championship team, and that is a major complement. Both of them have made career decisions to stay in Portland, they like it here and want to play a role here. They could both start in this league, but have chosen to stay in Portland to fill their roles, that's is a very fortunate situation for a contender. Blake needs to seriously work on his defense, maybe put on some weight since he'll never be able to out quick other guards. If he did that maybe he could develop into a Derrick Fisher (in-his-prime) type player.
 
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I'm for Bayless getting more playing time but not at Sergios expense. I think Sergio will be a better point guard in the future with Bayless being a high scoring combo guard off the bench. I doubt if Jerryd will handle the ball as well as Jarrett did his first year.
 
Seriously, what is the deal?

Are we showcasing Sergio? He might be the worst defender at the 1 in the NBA.
 
I thought Bayless definitely should've gotten a look tonight. The way Williams was lighting up both our PG's.
 
This game would've been nice to give Jerryd some burn. Blake and Sergio were so ineffective.
 
2nd game in a row where Sergio takes more than 3 field goal attempts and scores at miserable clip. 2nd game in a row where Rudy fires the 3s like there is no tomorrow and bricks. 2nd game in a row we are losing.

I can't wait to hear how it is all about the process and they get good looks.

Well, at least it was against a good Utah team in their home tonight - but we have got to get Brandon some help with someone that can attack the rim from the dribble.

Release Bayless, I know he is a rookie, I expect him to have some turn-overs - I expect him to sometimes miss the obvious pass - but it's time we stop the Sergio experiment where he over-dribbles, bricks a layup, turns the ball over, bricks a layup, turns the ball over.

Blah.

Can't wait to hear how, once again, our 22% 3P conversion rate is not the reason we lost.

A shame Travis did not make a bone-head game at the end to give us a convenient scape-goat.

I said that we lost last game because we shot the 3 like idiots and they were hot from the outside. This time we shot the 3 like idiots and they executed beautifully in the paint.

Yes, Travis has issues and he sometimes makes the bone-head moves - but he was not the reason we lost the last game and he is not the reason we lost this time. Sergio can get anywhere he wants on the court with the ball - but he still can't shoot - so he is an offensive liability and the good teams will just let him shoot and close the passing lanes leading to bad shots or turn-overs. We still insist on shooting the 3 all night long - Rudy needs to attack the basket more or just shoot closer shots for 2. Better to be 5-9 from the 2 than 2-9 from the 3...
 
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Last night was a good Bayless night. Both Blake and Sergio struggled. Then again so did our coach so that probably explains why Bayless sat
 
MM - I would definitely like to see Bayless out there, but the question is, can he LEAD the team. I know he can drive and attack, but can he lead an offense..
 
blue32 said:
MM - I would definitely like to see Bayless out there, but the question is, can he LEAD the team. I know he can drive and attack, but can he lead an offense..
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Why does he have to?

Roy does it most of the time anyway.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Why would we ask him to lead our offense? Is Blake "leading" our offense? He's been much more successful as a shooter than a distributor.

Brandon is our Mr. Everything as far as creating offense for us right now. Bayless can certainly lessen the burden on Brandon by taking the ball to the rack himself.
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That is true, so why the hell isn't he in? We know he can play??? :confused:
 
SpanishFly said:
I don't know what game you were watching but your are simply incorrect. He may be the perfect guy to team with Roy and Rudy, open your eyes dude.
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Dude.......sweet.........dude............sweet........dude........sweet ;) sorry couldn't resist
 
Ok I have the perfect solution to getting Bayless more playing time. With Batum struggling move Roy to SF and start Bayless at SG ;)
 
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