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Orion Bailey said:
because were sane?????
Why you must try to demean anyone who doesn't think like you is just ridiculous.
Someone made a joke about a sword and you claim they dont care????

not everyone has to express their emotions like you in order to care and want to do something about it.

but here we go again. Weeks sgo it was you werent angry. Then it was just this one thing should be eye for an eye. Now this.

you are one angry person and to demand everyone be like you is insane. And thats why it makes no sense to you. Because you seem to be red with anger and cant see anything else.
Its either let emotions run wild like you or we don't care, when there is a bunch of stuff in between….

But keep up with the ridiculing comments. It really makes me wanna be like you….
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And trust me you’ll never be anything like me.
 
Orion Bailey said:
because were sane?????
Why you must try to demean anyone who doesn't think like you is just ridiculous.
Someone made a joke about a sword and you claim they dont care????

not everyone has to express their emotions like you in order to care and want to do something about it.

but here we go again. Weeks sgo it was you werent angry. Then it was just this one thing should be eye for an eye. Now this.

you are one angry person and to demand everyone be like you is insane. And thats why it makes no sense to you. Because you seem to be red with anger and cant see anything else.
Its either let emotions run wild like you or we don't care, when there is a bunch of stuff in between….

But keep up with the ridiculing comments. It really makes me wanna be like you….
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Well, I was typing, and Calvin chimed in, but I think his annoyance was with the desensitizing in America where kids are shot dead in school, by a classmate, presumably, and very quickly, jokes are made, versus just...I dunno, feeling sad or horrified over it. It happens so often that we just get jokes quickly on it. And El pres hasn't even dropped an aspergers line yet.
 
Orion Bailey said:
you continually mistake desensitized with logical thought that getting upset over something like this does no one, including ones self, any good.
Dont mistake desensitized with people who have control of their emotions…
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THe logical thought is to joke about it?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Again, I apologize.
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That’s the thing Sly. You are the nicest person in here. 20 years ago if one kid was shot and killed it’s Breaking News, people horrified. Schools send out emails. Kids hear about it and parents have talks. People are sickened. Now three in a day and it’s a blip. It’s just another shooting. It’s a sword joke. It’s desensitization.
 
RR7 said:
THe logical thought is to joke about it?
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Nooo again that isnt what i said.
People deal with these types of things in different ways.
I knew a person who would laugh when nervous.

The insistence that one must voice red anger or they aren't sad over something, is illogical.
 
RR7 said:
Well, I was typing, and Calvin chimed in, but I think his annoyance was with the desensitizing in America where kids are shot dead in school, by a classmate, presumably, and very quickly, jokes are made, versus just...I dunno, feeling sad or horrified over it. It happens so often that we just get jokes quickly on it. And El pres hasn't even dropped an aspergers line yet.
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Again. People deal with things in different ways. Just because someone is not screaming about things and red with anger, does not equate to them not caring or wanting to do something to try to stop it.

The thought that everyone must show emotions like Calvin or they dont care, is illogical…

You didn't initially make a sad post in this thread. I suppose that means you don't care either right?

So your first post was to respond to me over what is logical, But not once did you show any signs of caring, sadness or grief about what happened.
So based on Calvins logic, you don't care and are desensitized….
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
They should publicly execute these school shooters, even if they are under 18.
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In case anyone was wondering and I seriously doubt anyone was or ever will wonder, I'm generally against the death penalty which results from someone's anger and not anything rational.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So how exactly does your anger help to stop something like this? Please explain how it does work then?
People don't have to feel anger to understand there is a serious issue and want ro do something about it.
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Anger is an emotion used to enhance your drive to change something usually the opposite of whatever initiated the anger if it's at all rational.
 
Lanny said:
Anger is an emotion used to enhance your drive to change something usually the opposite of whatever initiated the anger if it's at all rational.
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Totally agree. And i have no issues with Calvins anger. I only have issues with him thinking everyone should respond just like him or they don't care.
Thats the point of contention.
Its when he ( and/or others) belittles others( practically daily) for not seeing red like him is where he is being illogical In thinking we are all the same and should let our emotions bleed everywhere like him.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Totally agree. And i have no issues with Calvins anger. I only have issues with him thinking everyone should respond just like him or they don't care.
Thats the point of contention.
Its when he ( and/or others) belittles others( practically daily) for not seeing red like him is where he is being illogical In thinking we are all the same and should let our emotions bleed everywhere like him.
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I'm of the school that says "You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".
 
The dad needs to be charged for the Son getting his gun

Bullying is a central provenance in these school shootings. There needs to be a focus on that. Kid gets bullied incessantly. Kid gets fed up with being bullied. Kids brings parents gun to school and kills/shoots people.

Parents need to do a better job locking away/safe gun keeping so kids don't gain access.

Gini coefficient can help. We need better mental health coverage, but we also need teachers to listen and school administrators to act.

This shooting like many others could have been prevented, but administrators didn't act on known information. They pretended nothing was wrong in the interest of easing disquietude rather than handling this with proper consideration.

The kid was posting about doing this online. I'm sure teachers knew about the bullying and did little to stop it. We see this movie too often.

There needs to be accountability and there needs to be action.
 
Lanny said:
I'm of the school that says "You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".
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You'll catch more flies with a fly swatter. It takes action. Teachers and administrators need to call out bullying. Such acts need to be more consequential.

Kids are bringing their shit from home and taking it out on other students. Those students implode after incessant bullying, get their dad's guns and take action themselves to stop it because no one else is taking action for them.

Parents need to teach their kids not be bullies and to keep their guns safely locked away.
 
Chris Craig said:
You'll catch more flies with a fly swatter. It takes action. Teachers and administrators need to call out bullying. Such acts need to be more consequential.

Kids are bringing their shit from home and taking it out on other students. Those students implode after incessant bullying, get their dad's guns and take action themselves to stop it because no one else is taking action for them.

Parents need to teach their kids not be bullies and to keep their guns safely locked away.
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Most of these kids are already fucked up in the head. Social rejects, outcasts....the "quiet weird kid".
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Most of these kids are already fucked up in the head. Social rejects, outcasts....the "quiet weird kid".
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This is the shit I'm talking about. This labeling is part of the problem. There are all these different cliques and social classifications. Kids are pigeonholed and bullied and shit like this happens.
 
Chris Craig said:
This is the shit I'm talking about. This labeling is part of the problem. There are all these different cliques and social classifications. Kids are pigeonholed and bullied and shit like this happens.
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Oh well. Put them in an institution or special school then, not with the normies.

Yearly mental health screenings in schools should be mandatory.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Totally agree. And i have no issues with Calvins anger. I only have issues with him thinking everyone should respond just like him or they don't care.
Thats the point of contention.
Its when he ( and/or others) belittles others( practically daily) for not seeing red like him is where he is being illogical In thinking we are all the same and should let our emotions bleed everywhere like him.
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You keep writing “red with anger”, like I’m here sweating and fuming and punching walls. I realize it helps you make your point, but just to clarify I’m not flailing on the ground screaming. Just think school shootings Fucking suck. But who cares right how bout them Blazers what the hell do I care I live in Oregon
 
calvin natt said:
You keep writing “red with anger”, like I’m here sweating and fuming and punching walls. I realize it helps you make your point, but just to clarify I’m not flailing on the ground screaming. Just think school shootings Fucking suck. But who cares right how bout them Blazers what the hell do I care I live in Oregon
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its how you come off though. Just like i need to be aware apparently i come off as agressive without any attempt to actually do so.
There is no doubt school shootings and mass shootings in general suck big time.
But i just don't see how railing on an online forum is healthy or solves the problem.

And again. I don't even have an issue with that. Only an issue with you asserting everyone must exert their emotions like you or they don't care.
That is just not logical… or fair.
 
calvin natt said:
You keep writing “red with anger”, like I’m here sweating and fuming and punching walls. I realize it helps you make your point, but just to clarify I’m not flailing on the ground screaming. Just think school shootings Fucking suck. But who cares right how bout them Blazers what the hell do I care I live in Oregon
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There was long not that long ago in Oregon. I don't know where you live but I can assure you, people still talk about it.
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
We had one not that long ago at Reynolds. I don't know where you love but I can assure you, it is still in the minds of many eastsiders.
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i think he loves. I think Calvin is extremely passionate. No green font.


Here is one. I knew the clackamas mall shooter. Not well but i knew his mother fairly well.
A day doesn't go by still that i don't think about him, her and the poor victims and their families.

But because i don't post about it, doesn't mean i don't share in the grieving or don't care.
 
I think the anger that many of us feel is because these shootings continue unabated because far too many people make excuses for the shooters, rather than put the blame squarely on the American mentality towards gun ownership. Which is exactly where it belongs. It seems like after every mass shooting, politicians and gun owners send their “thoughts and prayers” to the families of the victims, and then they loosen up gun laws even more. The mentality is that if everyone was armed, there would be no more mass shootings. How stupid is that???? I’m “blindly” angry because gun owners don’t have any desire for a solution. “Rights” come before the lives of others, and they just want their gun ownership as unfettered as possible. Insanity at it’s finest. Call me whatever you want OB, I’m furious that gun ownership is still a “right” in 21st Century America. Almost 250 years in, America still can’t get it’s head out of it’s ass.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I think the anger that many of us feel is because these shootings continue unabated because far too many people make excuses for the shooters, rather than put the blame squarely on the American mentality towards gun ownership. Which is exactly where it belongs. It seems like after every mass shooting, politicians and gun owners send their “thoughts and prayers” to the families of the victims, and then they loosen up gun laws even more. The mentality is that if everyone was armed, there would be no more mass shootings. How stupid is that???? I’m “blindly” angry because gun owners don’t have any desire for a solution. “Rights” come before the lives of others, and they just want their gun ownership as unfettered as possible. Insanity at it’s finest. Call me whatever you want OB, I’m furious that gun ownership is still a “right” in 21st Century America. Almost 250 years in, America still can’t get it’s head out of it’s ass.
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I believe @Phatguysrule has already shown that is a false narrative.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I think the anger that many of us feel is because these shootings continue unabated because far too many people make excuses for the shooters, rather than put the blame squarely on the American mentality towards gun ownership. Which is exactly where it belongs. It seems like after every mass shooting, politicians and gun owners send their “thoughts and prayers” to the families of the victims, and then they loosen up gun laws even more. The mentality is that if everyone was armed, there would be no more mass shootings. How stupid is that???? I’m “blindly” angry because gun owners don’t have any desire for a solution. “Rights” come before the lives of others, and they just want their gun ownership as unfettered as possible. Insanity at it’s finest. Call me whatever you want OB, I’m furious that gun ownership is still a “right” in 21st Century America. Almost 250 years in, America still can’t get it’s head out of it’s ass.
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This is just a bunch of conjecture based off of your opinion of gun owners and anyone who doesn't actively scream out though.

But lets be clear ucd. I didn't calling anyone anything until after it was others calling other people uncaring.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I think the anger that many of us feel is because these shootings continue unabated because far too many people make excuses for the shooters, rather than put the blame squarely on the American mentality towards gun ownership. Which is exactly where it belongs. It seems like after every mass shooting, politicians and gun owners send their “thoughts and prayers” to the families of the victims, and then they loosen up gun laws even more. The mentality is that if everyone was armed, there would be no more mass shootings. How stupid is that???? I’m “blindly” angry because gun owners don’t have any desire for a solution. “Rights” come before the lives of others, and they just want their gun ownership as unfettered as possible. Insanity at it’s finest. Call me whatever you want OB, I’m furious that gun ownership is still a “right” in 21st Century America. Almost 250 years in, America still can’t get it’s head out of it’s ass.
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Also. I think you know i have no issue with your or your opinions even if i disagree with them. You have always been respectful and i hope ive responded in kind. :).
Bow that damned son of yours on the other hand… lol.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I think the anger that many of us feel is because these shootings continue unabated because far too many people make excuses for the shooters, rather than put the blame squarely on the American mentality towards gun ownership. Which is exactly where it belongs. It seems like after every mass shooting, politicians and gun owners send their “thoughts and prayers” to the families of the victims, and then they loosen up gun laws even more. The mentality is that if everyone was armed, there would be no more mass shootings. How stupid is that???? I’m “blindly” angry because gun owners don’t have any desire for a solution. “Rights” come before the lives of others, and they just want their gun ownership as unfettered as possible. Insanity at it’s finest. Call me whatever you want OB, I’m furious that gun ownership is still a “right” in 21st Century America. Almost 250 years in, America still can’t get it’s head out of it’s ass.
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I want a solution. The most effective and efficient solution which solves the most problems.

Guns don't make anybody crazy enough to kill people. We're doing that.

Making fewer people crazy should be the goal, not restricting the rights of the law abiding citizens who commit less crime than nearly any other demographic in this country.

What frustrates me is the partisanship we allow to be involved in this conversation.

If Hillary Clinton had dropped her support (crusade? ) for increasing gun control and instead focused all of that energy on solving the problem via social reforms by increasing access to healthcare, education, and improving the social safety net she would have destroyed Trump and we'd be in a much better place as a country right now.

But the problem is the political machine we have (which Hillary helped shape) dictates that anybody who isn't pushing gun restrictions as the only solution to gun crime is an insane gun nut who just wants to kill democrats by the hundreds.
 
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