Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

[Phatguysrule]

Arm everyone everywhere with AR15s. Only then will we have peace.

Hand guns are a far better decision. Really, ARs are only popular because they look cool.

Yes, I'd be happy if every law abiding adult were armed and trained. Again, I would offer a generous tax credit to anybody who passed a good gun safety course.

There wouldn't be any school shootings (schools wouldn't be targeted because the shooter would always be outgunned), and I bet everybody would be much more courteous around town as well.

 

[julius]

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Yep. Every "solution" but the obvious one. Basically fifty more "thoughts and prayers".........

 

[calvin natt]

Hand guns are a far better decision. Really, ARs are only popular because they look cool.

Yes, I'd be happy if every law abiding adult were armed and trained. Again, I would offer a generous tax credit to anybody who passed a good gun safety course.

There wouldn't be any school shootings (schools wouldn't be targeted because the shooter would always be outgunned), and I bet everybody would be much more courteous around town as well.

This school had a security officer. Parkland had an on campus officer. Remember, he hid. Saying schools would now suddenly not be targeted is patently false. Cops didn’t stop SHIT 2 days ago. How much more armed could we be Jesus

 

[calvin natt]

Every school should have this: if you approach the school between 7-5, you get popped

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Every school should have this: if you approach the school between 7-5, you get popped

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Kinda looks like a photo of McNary H.S.......................

 

[jonnyboy]

This school had a security officer. Parkland had an on campus officer. Remember, he hid. Saying schools would now suddenly not be targeted is patently false. Cops didn’t stop SHIT 2 days ago. How much more armed could we be Jesus

The very real fact that cops are basically worthless is giving individuals MORE incentive to own firearms, not less. If police aren’t going to do shit to protect even children, people will obtain the means to protect themselves and their families on their own.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yep, every citizen should be armed. Then the police would have let them right in. It worked for the shooter.

I'm now convinced the 2nd ammendment is more important than ever. Police in this country are absolutely worthless.

The cops would have shot the parents

 

[Phatguysrule]

This school had a security officer. Parkland had an on campus officer. Remember, he hid. Saying schools would now suddenly not be targeted is patently false. Cops didn’t stop SHIT 2 days ago. How much more armed could we be Jesus

I didn't say anything about cops in my post. I want the people in the school to be able to defend themselves.

Police are worthless wastes of taxpayer money now. We can't even consider disarming the population without completely revamping the police and judicial system first.

You want to wait 90 minutes outside with a police tazer in your face while your kid is in a "gun free zone" getting brutalized?

These lunatic assholes attack innocent and helpless people because they need to feel powerful. If there are 5 trained staff members at every school they will no longer be targets.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The cops would have shot the parents

Worth the risk.

 

[barfo]

The very real fact that cops are basically worthless is giving individuals MORE incentive to own firearms, not less. If police aren’t going to do shit to protect even children, people will obtain the means to protect themselves and their families on their own.

I guess parents could attend school with their kids every day, so that they could shoot the shooter when the time comes.

Heck, they might even learn something while they are there.

barfo

 

[julius]

This school had a security officer. Parkland had an on campus officer. Remember, he hid. Saying schools would now suddenly not be targeted is patently false. Cops didn’t stop SHIT 2 days ago. How much more armed could we be Jesus

Plus, how are we supposed to know who the real assailant is?

granted, in this case this was an elementary school and he was 18, but maybe he worked there as an assistant? Maybe he was a custodian?

Think of the cases when trained police arrest the wrong person? They're under a stressful situation, and *trained*. So now imagine teachers dealing with that? What if they react incorrectly and shoot the wrong kid? or maybe a kid dresses similarly to the shooter and they think it's him or her?

If this guy didn't buy these guns and ammo as easily as he did, maybe he doesn't kill his grandmother, maybe he doesn't gun down kids in a school.

Did he need help? clearly he did...but maybe we should be open to making it damn near impossible for certain people to get guns.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I guess parents could attend school with their kids every day, so that they could shoot the shooter when the time comes.

Heck, they might even learn something while they are there.

barfo

No thanks. We've now been given another reason that we can't count on police. We need an armed population.

Every law abiding adult should be allowed to conceal carry.

I'm on board with generous tax credits to encourage people to get training every year and funding to make sure that training is available within 1 mile of every post office.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Plus, how are we supposed to know who the real assailant is?

granted, in this case this was an elementary school and he was 18, but maybe he worked there as an assistant? Maybe he was a custodian?

Think of the cases when trained police arrest the wrong person? They're under a stressful situation, and *trained*. So now imagine teachers dealing with that? What if they react incorrectly and shoot the wrong kid? or maybe a kid dresses similarly to the shooter and they think it's him or her?

If this guy didn't buy these guns and ammo as easily as he did, maybe he doesn't kill his grandmother, maybe he doesn't gun down kids in a school.

Did he need help? clearly he did...but maybe we should be open to making it damn near impossible for certain people to get guns.

I am open to making it impossible for certain people to get guns. I've proposed it many times.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm not asking them to be cops. I'm asking for them to have the right to arm and defend themselves at schools if they meet strict qualifications.
In fact, give them a $10k per year tax free bonus for doing so. In fact, teachers should be paid far better anyway, just in general.

Let's not make them do all of that, in a gun free zone (a well known target) unarmed. Teachers should be allowed to arm themselves, and if they choose to do so we should cover all expenses related to that.

It's just going to lead to students getting a hold of those guns and using them.

 

[calvin natt]

I didn't say anything about cops in my post. I want the people in the school to be able to defend themselves.

Police are worthless wastes of taxpayer money now. We can't even consider disarming the population without completely revamping the police and judicial system first.

You want to wait 90 minutes outside with a police tazer in your face while your kid is in a "gun free zone" getting brutalized?

These lunatic assholes attack innocent and helpless people because they need to feel powerful. If there are 5 trained staff members at every school they will no longer be targets.

And I don’t agree. There are trained people at schools like I said and it didn’t matter. You think the shooters are gonna get background checks on which cops are pussies and if Mr Jones in social studies has a good shot or what? I’ve talked to teachers who think this is insane. Arming them. The type of person who wants to teach about Pre Algebra with a sidearm isn’t who I want teaching anyway.

 

[Chris Craig]

More guns is not the answer. It never will be. It will only be our downfall and the downfall of of our children.

 

[calvin natt]

No thanks. We've now been given another reason that we can't count on police. We need an armed population.

Every law abiding adult should be allowed to conceal carry.

I'm on board with generous tax credits to encourage people to get training every year and funding to make sure that training is available within 1 mile of every post office.

Lunacy. So now every road rage incident will end in murder. Yay!

 

[calvin natt]

Someone cut you off? Pop a cap in her ass.
Teenagers too loud? End them
Get the wrong order at Wendy’s? Do I have the solution for you!

 

[Chris Craig]

Lunacy. So now every road rage incident will end in murder. Yay!

Double murder. They will shoot each other and their problems will all be solved.

 

[Chris Craig]

Someone cut you off? Pop a cap in her ass.
Teenagers too loud? End them
Get the wrong order at Wendy’s? Do I have the solution for you!

I said no fucking mayonnaise

 

[Chris Craig]

No thanks. We've now been given another reason that we can't count on police. We need an armed population.

Every law abiding adult should be allowed to conceal carry.

I'm on board with generous tax credits to encourage people to get training every year and funding to make sure that training is available within 1 mile of every post office.

Like in Texas? Lot of good that did.

 

[RR7]

I just can't imagine hearing 19 kids are murdered and feeling like, well, I should hop online and defend the second amendment. And propose more guns as the answer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm not anti-gun.

I'll say it again, I'm not anti-gun.

But the system we have now is fucking stupid.

And proposing to add even more guns into this fucking system is even more stupid.

Guns and ammo need to be registered, identified, and traceable.

A bullet casing found on the ground needs to be able to be tracked back to a purchaser.

The rifling of every gun needs to be known and registered.

If someone fires off a gun the process of finding that person needs to be much more simplified.

We track fucking peanut butter better than we track guns and ammo.

Last month we bought Jiff from Costco. There is now a recall. Costco contacted me, told me to throw it out and next time I'm there stop at the desk for a refund. Then Smuckers, who owns Jiff contacted me via phone and is sending me a coupon for free peanut butter. Apparently, I'm now in Big Peanut Butter's database.

When you buy a used car, you know who has owned it previously and if it was in an accident. You know the history of the vehicle.

We don't know this with guns.

Gun control is not a bad thing.

Every gun needs to be registered, the rifling identified, and every bullet needs its own id number traceable back to the purchaser.

 

[calvin natt]

I'm not anti-gun.

I'll say it again, I'm not anti-gun.

But the system we have now is fucking stupid.

And proposing to add even more guns into this fucking system is even more stupid.

Guns and ammo need to be registered, identified, and traceable.

A bullet casing found on the ground needs to be able to be tracked back to a purchaser.

The rifling of every gun needs to be known and registered.

If someone fires off a gun the process of finding that person needs to be much more simplified.

We track fucking peanut butter better than we track guns and ammo.

Last month we bought Jiff from Costco. There is now a recall. Costco contacted me, told me to throw it out and next time I'm there stop at the desk for a refund. Then Smuckers, who owns Jiff contacted me via phone and is sending me a coupon for free peanut butter. Apparently, I'm now in Big Peanut Butter's database.

When you buy a used car, you know who has owned it previously and if it was in an accident. You know the history of the vehicle.

We don't know this with guns.

Gun control is not a bad thing.

Every gun needs to be registered, the rifling identified, and every bullet needs its own id number traceable back to the purchaser.

Amen. Sooooooooo obvious and straight forward.

 

[julius]

And I don’t agree. There are trained people at schools like I said and it didn’t matter. You think the shooters are gonna get background checks on which cops are pussies and if Mr Jones in social studies has a good shot or what? I’ve talked to teachers who think this is insane. Arming them. The type of person who wants to teach about Pre Algebra with a sidearm isn’t who I want teaching anyway.

I'm related to several teachers, and not a single one of them (even the one that is conservative and teaches at a private school) said they wanted any teachers armed or to have that stress added to their day.

 

[Chris Craig]

We need to raise the age limit for buying guns.

If that kid wasn't able to buy those guns, this could have been prevented. But Abbot and Republicans in Texas failed by making it to easy for teenagers to acquire firearms.

We need to hold parents responsible when their kids use their guns or they gift guns to their kids and they use them in such manners, like the parents of the Michigan shooter. If parents know they will be held responsible, they will be more responsible. Less of these shootings will happen.

Again more guns is not the answer. I am not anti gun. I don't agree with the idea of trying to take everyone's guns. That's just stupid. Beto O'Rourke who is saying he is going after everyone's guns in Texas if he gets elected, won't be able to do that. He may be able to ban the future sale assault rifles and offer a buyback. It's not exactly a great campaign move to say you are coming for the guns in Texas. That's probably what lost him his race against Cruz.

There is no reason to take away guns from responsible law abiding citizens.

Just common sense laws to keep them out of the hands of teenagers.

Background checks which 89% if Americans are for.

We can also do the ID restriction Phatguy suggested to stop criminals from getting guns.

There are ways forward.

More guns is not one of them.

 

[julius]

I'm not anti-gun.

I'll say it again, I'm not anti-gun.

But the system we have now is fucking stupid.

And proposing to add even more guns into this fucking system is even more stupid.

Guns and ammo need to be registered, identified, and traceable.

A bullet casing found on the ground needs to be able to be tracked back to a purchaser.

The rifling of every gun needs to be known and registered.

If someone fires off a gun the process of finding that person needs to be much more simplified.

We track fucking peanut butter better than we track guns and ammo.

Last month we bought Jiff from Costco. There is now a recall. Costco contacted me, told me to throw it out and next time I'm there stop at the desk for a refund. Then Smuckers, who owns Jiff contacted me via phone and is sending me a coupon for free peanut butter. Apparently, I'm now in Big Peanut Butter's database.

When you buy a used car, you know who has owned it previously and if it was in an accident. You know the history of the vehicle.

We don't know this with guns.

Gun control is not a bad thing.

Every gun needs to be registered, the rifling identified, and every bullet needs its own id number traceable back to the purchaser.

The issue is private sales basically make this moot. It's not as easy to do this with the 400 million guns vs the cars we have, since cars have Vin #'s, etc.

We definitely need to do something different, and "more guns!!1!" isn't it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The issue is private sales basically make this moot. It's not as easy to do this with the 400 million guns vs the cars we have, since cars have Vin #'s, etc.

We definitely need to do something different, and "more guns!!1!" isn't it.

Automobiles are still traceable with private sales.

And yes, it's not easy. There is nothing about this that is easy.

 

[calvin natt]

Its frustrating that seemingly "pillars" of our society, our "laws" or just assumed right at this point in 2022 - and yes they are different as one is the 2nd Amendment and the other being Roe v Wade, in basically no time Republicans can wipe out something so significant and been around for decades, supported by so many...but there's nothing we can do about an outdated, pointless 2nd amendment from 1791. SEVENTEEN NINETY ONE. We added the 2nd amendment and the state of Vermont that year.