Notice From My Cold Dead Hands...... (2 Viewers)

[Fairly-Hard]

Probably the one that fires more a few bullets before you have to re-load.

More like the one that is gas operated with a rotating bolt and a pistol grip that also fits 10, 20, 30, 50 round magazine.
The ArmaLite 15 style comes in a bunch of different makeups. Nobody anywhere uses these guns for varmints or game. They don't use the M1 either for that matter.

This conversation isn't worth having. It's for a bunch of idiots who want to make themselves feel like they know weapons. We are well past this conversation as a country. Or at least should be.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Why are you avoiding the question? Which one is more dangerous?

Stupid question.

Edit- Hypothetical situation.

I'm carrying both my AR-15 and my M1.
I somehow move the safety lever from the off to on position on both of the rifles.
I accidentally pull the trigger on my AR-15 4 times and blow four of my toes off and the reaction from that made me lose my balance and pull the trigger of my M1 which goes off and the bullet ricochets off a wall and hits someone in the head and kills them.

The M1 did more damage so must be more dangerous.

This is why that question is stupid.

 

[julius]

It seems the 'good guy with a gun' theory has rightly taken a huge hit in popularity this month - that is at least some progress towards sensible gun attitudes.

barfo

One can hope, but Ive seen this story before. America gives a shit for a week or 2 and then forgets.

 

[calvin natt]

I am so incredibly conflicted right now and admit to feeling like a hypocrite. I am opposed to gun ownership (hand guns and semiautomatics in particular) yet there are so many politicians who need to be put out of their (and our) misery in order for this country to move forward in a way that benefits the majority of Americans. And I'm not particularly picky about how it gets done (which is the hypocritical part). Why does a minority always get to steer the American boat??? When does the majority actually RULE? Lunatics like Marjorie Failure Greene (and her cronies) are a mortal danger to us all.

You’re conflicted about what - using a gun to finish off MTG? Don’t be. Although people in here are going to get in a tizzy about it. Bullets need to find their ways to a bunch of these animals

 

[RR7]

Portland has now joined Chicago in the pantheon of "GOP Boogeyman talking points".

It means we've gone big league!

Maybe now we can get a MLB team?!

 

[julius]

More like the one that is gas operated with a rotating bolt and a pistol grip that also fits 10, 20, 30, 50 round magazine.
The ArmaLite 15 style comes in a bunch of different makeups. Nobody anywhere uses these guns for varmints or game. They don't use the M1 either for that matter.

This conversation isn't worth having. It's for a bunch of idiots who want to make themselves feel like they know weapons. We are well past this conversation as a country. Or at least should be.

I readily admit I know Jack shit about guns.

I just think maybe glorifying them and glorifying violence against people who slight us might be a bad idea. Or that anyone can get a gun, etc.

 

[julius]

Maybe now we can get a MLB team?!

Sadly, that'll never happen

 

[SlyPokerDog]

When the Sandy Hook investigation was over they tore down the entire school and rebuilt a new one.

This obviously needs to happen here in Texas.

I wonder if the great state of Texas will put the financial burden on this poor community or are they going to step up with funding and get this process moving?

School starts back up again in August there. There is no way these kids can ever go back to the school but I also hope they don't stick these kids in overcrowded trailers for the next 2-3 years while the community struggles to figure out what to do.

The nation needs to keep focused on what happened there and make sure they have the resources to move forward quickly and healthily.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

When the Sandy Hook investigation was over they tore down the entire school and rebuilt a new one.

This obviously needs to happen here in Texas.

I wonder if the great state of Texas will put the financial burden on this poor community or are they going to step up with funding and get this process moving?

School starts back up again in August there. There is no way these kids can ever go back to the school but I also hope they don't stick these kids in overcrowded trailers for the next 2-3 years while the community struggles to figure out what to do.

The nation needs to keep focused on what happened there and make sure they have the resources to move forward quickly and healthily.

Yeah try to reduce the massive damage to every child in that school.
This is going to change Texas in a number of ways. Maybe not enough of them but it will have an effect.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Almost 600 students are enrolled at Robb Elementary. I would think pretty much every one of them will need help dealing with this issue.

 

[calvin natt]

Almost 600 students are enrolled at Robb Elementary. I would think pretty much every one of them will need help dealing with this issue.

And a good chunk may never return to a school setting again. How many parents will say ‘nope…we’re done with that’? Parents who don’t even have kids who go to schools that experience this are already doing it.

 

[Chris Craig]

Poor fucking Marjorie. She wants to attack a school shooting survivor for political gain? Sickening.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Stupid question.

Edit- Hypothetical situation.

I'm carrying both my AR-15 and my M1.
I somehow move the safety lever from the off to on position on both of the rifles.
I accidentally pull the trigger on my AR-15 4 times and blow four of my toes off and the reaction from that made me lose my balance and pull the trigger of my M1 which goes off and the bullet ricochets off a wall and hits someone in the head and kills them.

The M1 did more damage so must be more dangerous.

This is why that question is stupid.

That's an extremely random and unlikely scenario. What's with the aggression? Just because we have different points of view?

Are you hoping to outlaw all semiautomatic, or just large magazines? Or just the ones that look scary?

How about this comparison?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Poor fucking Marjorie. She wants to attack a school shooting survivor for political gain? Sickening.

Nothing poor about that scum bag. She's a disgrace.

 

[Phatguysrule]

More like the one that is gas operated with a rotating bolt and a pistol grip that also fits 10, 20, 30, 50 round magazine.
The ArmaLite 15 style comes in a bunch of different makeups. Nobody anywhere uses these guns for varmints or game. They don't use the M1 either for that matter.

This conversation isn't worth having. It's for a bunch of idiots who want to make themselves feel like they know weapons. We are well past this conversation as a country. Or at least should be.

Seriously, not sure what the aggression and personal insults are about... I had more respect for you than that.

So if somebody makes a large capacity magizine for a rifle it should be outlawed? Should pistols be outlawed if they can accept magazines?

 

[Chris Craig]

Nothing poor about that scum bag. She's a disgrace.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Yeah try to reduce the massive damage to every child in that school.
This is going to change Texas in a number of ways. Maybe not enough of them but it will have an effect.

Sorry, but if Texas politicians are truly representative of the people who voted them in, it's only going to get much worse. All you have to do is look at the "solutions" these morons keep touting. All I can see is Texas in general getting more red neck, recalcitrant and belligerent........

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

And a good chunk may never return to a school setting again. How many parents will say ‘nope…we’re done with that’? Parents who don’t even have kids who go to schools that experience this are already doing it.

Because they know the cops are going to worry about their own safety first over a bunch of kids......

 

[calvin natt]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

That's an extremely random and unlikely scenario. What's with the aggression? Just because we have different points of view?

Are you hoping to outlaw all semiautomatic, or just large magazines? Or just the ones that look scary?

How about this comparison? View attachment 47672 View attachment 47671

No aggression.
You just seem to continue to want to insult my intelligence. “Look Scary”
This conversation isn’t worth having it is what waters down the problem every time INNOCENT CHILDREN GET KILLED!

The aggression was when the shooter was killing people.
Try to stay on track here.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Sorry, but if Texas politicians are truly representative of the people who voted them in, it's only going to get much worse. All you have to do is look at the "solutions" these morons keep touting. All I can see is Texas in general getting more red neck, recalcitrant and belligerent........

I understand your point but the fact is Texas is getting more Blue every year.

 

[julius]

When the Sandy Hook investigation was over they tore down the entire school and rebuilt a new one.

This obviously needs to happen here in Texas.

I wonder if the great state of Texas will put the financial burden on this poor community or are they going to step up with funding and get this process moving?

School starts back up again in August there. There is no way these kids can ever go back to the school but I also hope they don't stick these kids in overcrowded trailers for the next 2-3 years while the community struggles to figure out what to do.

The nation needs to keep focused on what happened there and make sure they have the resources to move forward quickly and healthily.

Right, like the GOP will ever be ok with spending money on a Public school.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Seriously, not sure what the aggression and personal insults are about... I had more respect for you than that.

So if somebody makes a large capacity magizine for a rifle it should be outlawed? Should pistols be outlawed if they can accept magazines?

Again all you are doing is watering down the conversation. Children were killed. Again.

 

[Chris Craig]

I understand your point but the fact is Texas is getting more Blue every year.

Not quick enough

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Bernie...

 

[Phatguysrule]

No aggression.
You just seem to continue to want to insult my intelligence. “Look Scary”
This conversation isn’t worth having it is what waters down the problem every time INNOCENT CHILDREN GET KILLED!

The aggression was when the shooter was killing people.
Try to stay on track here.

Yes, and if the doors were locked that wouldn't be a problem.

If the police were responsive that wouldn't be a problem.

If we had healthcare and education watching for signs of troubled kids like this that wouldn't be as much of a problem.

Making snide comments about how stupid people are for not agreeing with you and refusing to have an honest conversation about an important issue is not how anything gets done. I promise you it will do nothing but cost lives with regards to gun crime.

People who do that are every bit as much of a problem as the other side. It's just politics costing poor kids lives and trying to place the blame on the "other team".

 

[Phatguysrule]

Again all you are doing is watering down the conversation. Children were killed. Again.

And if the left keeps doing what you're doing more children will continue to be killed. And it will be just as much your fault as the Republicans.

Just my opinion.

But I get it. You don't actually care about solving the problem, just pointing at the other side, and using the deaths of these poor kids to try and push your political agenda... It's pretty common.

 

[riverman]

And if the left keeps doing what you're doing more children will continue to be killed. And it will be just as much your fault as the Republicans.

Just my opinion.

But I get it. You don't actually care about solving the problem, just pointing at the other side, and using the deaths of these poor kids to try and push your political agenda... It's pretty common.

I think this post of yours was very unfair and divisive concerning kids dying and people not caring.....stop with the "other side" approach and talk with folks without assuming political agendas....I don't have to have any political agenda other than outrage at how gun supporters have gone over the top to make sure this is looked at as an attack on them...it's not...children are the victims here first and foremost. ..people need to start addressing each other as concerned citizens rather than some two party civil war bullshit here...this is about American law...not left or right. Around this forum people do care about solving problems...situation, problem, process, solution...we haven't gotten past the problem yet....we outlawed assault weapons in the 90s through 2004 and had a 43 percent drop in mass shootings.....after 2004 laws expired the mass shootings tripled. Explain that to me. No gun lobbyist has been able to since these mass shootings have become increasingly regular.........this has brought me around to the belief that a heavily armed population provides more dangers than a country where you can't have such weapons....now the process starts with restricting magazine capacity and rapid fire gun development. We need gun reform. There's no chart or graph that'll make me think guns are making us safer...they are not. If we are invaded and at war...sure....allow the weapons of war but we're shouldn't be at war amongst ourselves...my 2 cents. Unlike many here I have lived under both systems and assure you ...the safer country has no guns available to citizens.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think this post of yours was very unfair and divisive concerning kids dying and people not caring.....stop with the "other side" approach and talk with folks without assuming political agendas....

In response to two posts where it was implied that I was just trying to muddy the water and didn't care about the kids? After I have been trying to have policy based discussions on this the entire time and have encouraged other thoughts and ideas?

But I get tired of being called out and retaliate to an attack, you immediately jump to the defense of the person who attacked and insulted me multiple times?

And you don't have a political agenda? Really?

I don't have to have any political agenda other than outrage at how gun supporters have gone over the top to make sure this is looked at as an attack on them...it's not...children are the victims here first and foremost. ..people need to start addressing each other as concerned citizens rather than some two party civil war bullshit here...this is about American law...not left or right. Around this forum people do care about solving problems...situation, problem, process, solution...we haven't gotten past the problem yet....we outlawed assault weapons in the 90s through 2004 and had a 43 percent drop in mass shootings.....after 2004 laws expired the mass shootings tripled. Explain that to me.

I made a post about that with a possible explanation above, with a chart and dates.

You might try reading it rather than just dismissing my attempts at polite conversation the way you have also done so far.

 

[calvin natt]

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