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SlyPokerDog said:
If AR-15 weapons are for hunting why are they called Assault Weapons?

I've never heard of a hunter needing to assault a deer.

And if an assault weapon is for hunting what is a hunting rifle for?

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Who calls them assault weapons? People who want to ban them... They are actually called sporting rifles.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Who calls them assault weapons? People who want to ban them... They are actually called sporting rifles.
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I call them assault weapons.....19 kids and 2teachers were assaulted with them...and people who want to ban them like me cite this as a major reason. 10 people were shot in 24 hours in Portland yesterday....apparently owning 400 million guns isn't keeping society safe at all.
 
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When was the last time a hunter with a large magazine rapid fire AR killed 21 deer in 90 minutes? Why? It's not considered good sportsmanship. So much for the "sports" rifle tag eh?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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So, military and law enforcement can absolutely buy assault rifles. And that's what most of those books are about.

Just because assault rifles exist doesn't mean AR-15s are assault rifles..

“AR-15-style rifles are NOT ‘assault weapons’ or ‘assault rifles,’ according to NSSF’s website. “An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.”

The NSSF added, "AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger."
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/02/21...sault-weapon-is-a-very-contentious-issue.html
 
Chris Craig said:


One the worst insults I have seen following the death of 19 schoolchildren in Uvalde. Disgusting and grotesque. He praises guns and then calls out the victims names at the fucking NRA convention. He can't even pronounce their fucking names. And that fucking bell. Grotesque.

Also he's not the president.
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He's the devil's minion.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Typically they are hunting wild pig with the AR platform, be that ar15 or ar10.

Also smaller pest animals. People definitely hunt with them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4390506/gun-control-ar-15-semiautomatic-rifles/?amp=true
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Oh I know.....my second son hunts boar with an AR15 and belongs to the NRA and is a MAGA fan as well....I love him but we have this conversation all the time. He reminds me of mags but is respectful of me even though we disagree......he went hunting recently and shot hundreds of rounds and came home with one old boar that wasn't edible...I teased him about that..my younger brother is the same. I grew up hunting in Iowa and as I've stated....a good hunter won't shoot more than twice at wild game because after it's bolted it's adrenaline spoils the taste of the meat...a good hunter will take them when they are calm and still....not running My father got his limit on elk and deer every season with a bolt action 30 06 that didn't hold multiple rounds...professional snipers use single shot rifles usually. I'm not someone unfamiliar with the culture but I don't think modern AR guns were designed with good hunting practices in mind..they are designed to maximize the ability to make multiple kills and yeah...that's what they do.
 
riverman said:
Oh I know.....my second son hunts boar with an AR15 and belongs to the NRA and is a MAGA fan as well....I love him but we have this conversation all the time. He reminds me of mags but is respectful of me even though we disagree......he went hunting recently and shot hundreds of rounds and came home with one old boar that wasn't edible...I teased him about that..my younger brother is the same. I grew up hunting in Iowa and as I've stated....a good hunter won't shoot more than twice at wild game because after it's bolted it's adrenaline spoils the taste of the meat...a good hunter will take them when they are calm and still....not running My father got his limit on elk and deer every season with a bolt action 30 06 that didn't hold multiple rounds...professional snipers use single shot rifles usually. I'm not someone unfamiliar with the culture but I don't think modern AR guns were designed with good hunting practices in mind..they are designed to maximize the ability to make multiple kills and yeah...that's what they do.
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Exactly right about a true hunter not taking excessive shots unless a grizzly is charging at you and then an AR-15 would prove Darwin right. Might as well have a BB gun.
 
Phatguysrule said:
So, military and law enforcement can absolutely buy assault rifles. And that's what most of those books are about.
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No.

Gun manufacturers, sellers, and support organizations like the NRA have rebranded/remarketed/renamed assault rifles into sporting guns.

Look at the dates of the magazines and ads I posted.

Assault rifles got a shit reputation. So they changed the term. Same guns, different market branding. A branding that supports, "Hey, this is just a fun gun for fun times! For sporting times!" one that sadly through their ads is desperately trying to say these guns don't kill kids, they're for kids!

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The new claim of these guns are for hunting boars & wild pigs are also bullshit since pig carcasses are routinely used to test guns and ammo. They're the closest you can get to the human body.
 
riverman said:
Oh I know.....my second son hunts boar with an AR15 and belongs to the NRA and is a MAGA fan as well....I love him but we have this conversation all the time. He reminds me of mags but is respectful of me even though we disagree......he went hunting recently and shot hundreds of rounds and came home with one old boar that wasn't edible...I teased him about that..my younger brother is the same. I grew up hunting in Iowa and as I've stated....a good hunter won't shoot more than twice at wild game because after it's bolted it's adrenaline spoils the taste of the meat...a good hunter will take them when they are calm and still....not running My father got his limit on elk and deer every season with a bolt action 30 06 that didn't hold multiple rounds...professional snipers use single shot rifles usually. I'm not someone unfamiliar with the culture but I don't think modern AR guns were designed with good hunting practices in mind..they are designed to maximize the ability to make multiple kills and yeah...that's what they do.
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I too have a son that owns an AR15, pistols & other hunting rifles. He's in the Military and likes to hunt, never with his AR15. Uses that a ranges that allow them.
I own a handgun and deer rifle.
 
Hoopguru said:
I too have a son that owns an AR15, pistols & other hunting rifles. He's in the Military and likes to hunt, never with his AR15. Uses that a ranges that allow them.
I own a handgun and deer rifle.
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I would own a handgun strictly for varmints in the woods.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Our President is in Texas meeting with the families of the victims.

Our Vice President is in Buffalo attending funerals.
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A former president went to meet people in Texas before the current one, after this tragedy. Biden is obviously a disgrace. Oh wait, it was a bit different type of meeting you say???
 
Lanny said:
I would own a handgun strictly for varmints in the woods.
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I have a rifle and a shotgun....rifle is just a 22 bolt action....I live where there are mountain lions, bear and predators like bobcats but they never have bothered us ...I would probably use it on a rabid dog more than likely....I have bear spray for the woods....you don't want to wound a bear. 3 bear cross by backyard late at night often and drink from the creek below my house...they only eat plum leaves from my flowering plum tree and go to the watering hole..then up into the BLM land behind me...in 22 years I've never been threatened enough here to need to shoot an animal. I have a family of deer that live on my property and I'd never shoot them....they're like pets to me and they know me...I don't threaten them. I don't need to hunt anymore...we have plenty of food...my thing is fishing.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No.

Gun manufacturers, sellers, and support organizations like the NRA have rebranded/remarketed/renamed assault rifles into sporting guns.

Look at the dates of the magazines and ads I posted.

Assault rifles got a shit reputation. So they changed the term. Same guns, different market branding. A branding that supports, "Hey, this is just a fun gun for fun times! For sporting times!" one that sadly through their ads is desperately trying to say these guns don't kill kids, they're for kids!

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The new claim of these guns are for hunting boars & wild pigs are also bullshit since pig carcasses are routinely used to test guns and ammo. They're the closest you can get to the human body.
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I'm sorry, but that's just not the case.
assault rifle, military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.
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https://www.britannica.com/technolo...m that,semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.

I've also seen the military definition, which I'm not finding at the moment, but it specifically requires select fire between semi auto, full auto, and 3 round burst.

FSTC-CW-07–03–70 is an army intelligence document from the 70's and it states that "assault rifles are shorty, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges
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Here, from Wikipedia
assault rifle is a selective fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first put into mass production and accepted into widespread service during World War II.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Select fire:
Selective fire is the capability of a weapon to be adjusted to fire in semi-automatic, fully automatic, and/or burst mode.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire
 
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Hoopguru said:
I too have a son that owns an AR15, pistols & other hunting rifles. He's in the Military and likes to hunt, never with his AR15. Uses that a ranges that allow them.
I own a handgun and deer rifle.
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Yeah, I don't know anybody who uses an AR-15 for Deer. It's not a heavy enough round.

Mostly rodents and pigs. When you have a bunch of something to kill and need accessories.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Then why don't the very same magazines no longer call them assault weapons?

#Marketing
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I don't care about magazines or marketing... Why would you think magazines and marketing would determine this? They are trying to trick people into buying their magazine...
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't care about magazines or marketing... Why would you think magazines and marketing would determine this? They are trying to trick people into buying their magazine...
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Why wouldn't they? Magazines, ads, and such marketing play a big role in young people buying these guns. Ooh assault rifle...ooh that looks the gun I used in call of duty...ooh assault rifle....what makes that gun so dangerous is the perceptions put around it and the culture that creates. All of this marketing has created that.

There was ad above somewhere of a kid with one of these. Start them early was it's message. That is fucking reprehensible.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't care about magazines or marketing... Why would you think magazines and marketing would determine this? They are trying to trick people into buying their magazine...
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This is what you said...

Phatguysrule said:
Who calls them assault weapons? People who want to ban them... They are actually called sporting rifles.
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I showed you they were and still are called assault weapons and clearly not by people who want to ban them.

Guns and Ammo clearly doesn't want to ban assault rifles. Look at the title of the article above the Guns & Ammo, "The Bloody Trail of Gunless MURDERERS!" Then right under the Guns & Ammo is "The New Breed of Assault Rifle." This is not the voice of someone who wants to ban them.

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You all see what I mean?
Let’s just muddy that water some more and then we can all get a good nights sleep.


Except for those in Oklahoma now…
 
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