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Wisconsin Republicans proposing bill to allow concealed carry in school. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Phatguysrule said:
A handgun is far more dangerous in a school than any rifle that is legal to buy without a special ATF permit...

And easier to conceal. Where is the law to ban handguns?
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Stop bro. Get rid of all the fucking guns. Bring on the knives.
 
THE HCP said:
Stop bro. Get rid of all the fucking guns. Bring on the knives.
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We can't get rid of the fucking guns. You're living in lala land if you think that's even remotely possible.

It couldn't happen if we wanted it to, and half of the country doesn't want to.
 
crandc said:
Wisconsin Republicans proposing bill to allow concealed carry in school. What could possibly go wrong?
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It passed

Though the governor will veto it

18 year olds can carry guns in school in Wisconsin, concealed on their person according to republican lawmakers there.
 
crandc said:
Wisconsin Republicans proposing bill to allow concealed carry in school. What could possibly go wrong?
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Well for starters, who is allowed? Does it specify, or was that conveniently omitted to fill a narrative?

if its only teachers aNd guards, I'm all for it.
BUt your post( without a link for reference) doesn't specify.
Is the bill not specifying or is your post not specifying?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Well for starters, who is allowed? Does it specify, or was that conveniently omitted to fill a narrative?

if its only teachers aNd guards, I'm all for it.
BUt your post( without a link for reference) doesn't specify.
Is the bill not specifying or is your post not specifying?
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18 year olds
 
Chris Craig said:
It passed

Though the governor will veto it

18 year olds can carry guns in school in Wisconsin, concealed on their person according to republican lawmakers there.
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Only people who have been trained and permitted. What this law allows is for people who have concealed carry permits (this is the demographic with the lowest crime rate in the country) to carry in and around schools without being harassed or charged with a felony.

Right now, in Oregon, if people want to drive their kids to school they have to remember to remove their EDC and leave it at home or risk being charged with a crime.

Laws like that create criminals, and prevent people from voting for democrats who would otherwise do so.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So basically crands post is completely missleading….


Got it. Thanks.
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Not really

Students are going to be able to carry guns around at school which is fucking stupid
 
Chris Craig said:
Not really

Students are going to be able to carry guns around at school which is fucking stupid
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This is only partially correct and misleading, just like crands post.
No, not any student can just conceal carry.
Not even just any 18 year old student.
only 18 year old that have gone through the proper requirements.

This is much different than your and crands post.

id consider this pretty much fake news. But only the right does that.
 
Orion Bailey said:
This is only partially correct and misleading, just like crands post.
No, not any student can just conceal carry.
Not even just any 18 year old student.
only 18 year old that have gone through the proper requirements.

This is much different than your and crands post.

id consider this pretty much fake news. But only the right does that.
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I didn't say all students

No students should be allowed to carry a gun in school

I don't give two fucks if they have a permit or not.

We were just agreeing the other day about 18 year olds not being mature enough to have guns.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So basically crands post is completely missleading….


Got it. Thanks.
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Almost certainly, as usual. Firearms are prohibited in most schools regardless of concealed carry status. Not sure where it’s outlined in the bill that it will be allowed in schools. This is just sensationalist arithmetic at its finest:
Concealed carry for 18 year olds + some 18 year olds are still in school = now kids are allowed to bring guns to school.
I’m sure this is not the case in such black and white terms.
 
jonnyboy said:
Almost certainly, as usual. Firearms are prohibited in most schools regardless of concealed carry status. Not sure where it’s outlined in the bill that it will be allowed in schools. This is just sensationalist arithmetic at its finest:
Concealed carry for 18 year olds + some 18 year olds are still in school = now kids are allowed to bring guns to school.
I’m almost certain this is not the case.
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https://www.salon.com/2022/01/24/wi...me-high-school-students-to-bring-a-to-campus/

It's the case

Thanks for playing
 
Chris Craig said:
I didn't say all students

No students should be allowed to carry a gun in school

I don't give two fucks if they have a permit or not.

We were just agreeing the other day about 18 year olds not being mature enough to have guns.
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okay and we were. Doesn't change the fact the original post was extremely miss leading leaving the reader to think its a bill for any age student or anyone in a school can carry a gun.

as far as me being fine with it. If the age is 18 and they passed the required tests, etc. then so be it. in a school? Im on the fence.


providing full and detailed information when posting news with a critiquing angle, should always be. Thats my point of contention.

For people who scream fake news is a trump thing then to post misleading info to fit a narrative is disingenuous at best.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay and we were. Doesn't change the fact the original post was extremely miss leading leaving the reader to think its a bill for any age student or anyone in a school can carry a gun.

as far as me being fine with it. If the age is 18 and they passed the required tests, etc. then so be it. in a school? Im on the fence.


providing full and detailed information when posting news with a critiquing angle, should always be. Thats my point of contention.

For people who scream fake news is a trump thing then to post misleading info to fit a narrative is disingenuous at best.
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I'm not going to play semantics with Crandc's post or mine. I know I what I meant. You can go talk to her about her post if you want.

No students should ever be allowed to carry guns at school. Regardless.

An 18 year wants to get a permit and carry a gun around on his/her own time fine. Not at school.

The answer to school shootings is not to arm students.
 
Chris Craig said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ch...aled-carry-license-republican-party/11494693/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-gop-proposes-lowering-concealed-carry-age-18-allowing-guns-school-grounds-1671399?amp=1

https://www.cbs58.com/news/republic...to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property
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Chris Craig said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ch...aled-carry-license-republican-party/11494693/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-gop-proposes-lowering-concealed-carry-age-18-allowing-guns-school-grounds-1671399?amp=1

https://www.cbs58.com/news/republic...to-carry-concealed-weapons-on-school-property
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And like we said, the original post was an extremely generalized blanket statement that was used to sound sensational by omitting context.
 
Chris Craig said:
The answer to school shootings is not to arm students.
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It’s not to completely avoid protecting students either. People throw the same tantrums when it’s suggested teachers or principals be allowed to carry.
 
Wisconsin GOP Proposes Lowering Concealed Carry Age to 18, Allowing Guns on School Grounds

Wisconsin Republican lawmakers passed a package of bills through the state's General Assembly Thursday that would expand the rights of gun owners with concealed carry permits, and lower the age necessary to obtain a concealed carry permit from 21 to 18.

The other bills would allow those with concealed carry permits to have guns in their car while on school grounds, allow firearms in churches and other places of worship that are also on the grounds of private schools and force the state to honor concealed carry permits from other states, according to the Associated Press.

Republicans approving the bills called them a valuable protection of Second Amendment rights, while Democrats in the Assembly said they would only bring more guns into the state and make it more dangerous.

"Our Second Amendment rights, those are just critically important to everybody across Wisconsin," Representative Shae Sortwell, chief sponsor for the bill that would lower the concealed carry age, said at a press conference before the legislative session Thursday, the AP reported. "(We want to) make sure that every adult American, whether they are visiting Wisconsin, whether they are living in Wisconsin, has the same rights under the law."

https://www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-...y-age-18-allowing-guns-school-grounds-1671399
 
These guys think it’s ok for guns to be allowed in school? Regardless of training….. it’s a teenager walking around thousands of other teenagers with a gun strapped on em. Jesus Christ how do you defend this!!??
 
THE HCP said:
These guys think it’s ok for guns to be allowed in school? Regardless of training….. it’s a teenager walking around thousands of other teenagers with a gun strapped on em. Jesus Christ how do you defend this!!??
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At school, not in school.

Apparently, that is a very important distinction.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Republicans approving the bills called them a valuable protection of Second Amendment rights
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If only they cared about protecting people's lives instead of the dogma they are married to.

It's a shame this country is still held back by relics of 18th century thinking. At least they did not put outhouses into the constitution or we would all freeze our asses when we have to pee in the winter.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s not to completely avoid protecting students either. People throw the same tantrums when it’s suggested teachers or principals be allowed to carry.
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No one should be allowed to carry a gun at a school except a school officer
 
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