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Shaboid said:
Fair point. He's a friend and a trustworthy dude. We did get proof of payment and it's going to save us some money by doing the transaction in cash.
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You know Sly works for the IRS in the Fraud Division, right? I wouldn't admit to tax crimes here.

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
Did prohibition on weed work? Did prohibition on alcohol work? Has prohibition on drugs worked?

We have plenty of data showing that prohibition is more harmful than it is good.

I'm not opposed to laws preventing targeting children or dangerous people in marketing. Or at least allowing companies to be sued for targeting kids or dangerous people.

I'm fine with restrictions on dangerous business practices.
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Everybody wanted weed and alcohol but not so many want guns.
 
Lanny said:
Everybody wanted weed and alcohol but not so many want guns.
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3-4x more Americans own guns than smoke marijuana. Far more want to own guns than want to smoke marijuana. And the prohibition on marijuana may have been the most harmful prohibition in the history of this country, simply because it lasted a lot longer and allowed far more otherwise law abiding citizens to be treated as criminals.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284135/percentage-americans-smoke-marijuana.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx
 
Phatguysrule said:
3-4x more Americans own guns than smoke marijuana. Far more want to own guns than want to smoke marijuana. And the prohibition on marijuana may have been the most harmful prohibition in the history of this country, simply because it lasted a lot longer and allowed far more otherwise law abiding citizens to be treated as criminals.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284135/percentage-americans-smoke-marijuana.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx
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You're talking adults. When I was in my twenties nearly everyone smoked weed.
 
I should have clarified it by saying I meant younger people.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
About 23% and by far the largest demographic in the country. Think about it.
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Correct. And not all 20 year olds smoke weed. Far from it. In fact, only 4% of conservatives smoke weed at all, so that removes quite a few 20 year olds.

So again, far fewer people smoke weed than own guns. It's not close.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Correct. And not all 20 year olds smoke weed. Far from it. In fact, only 4% of conservatives smoke weed at all, so that removes quite a few 20 year olds.

So again, far fewer people smoke weed than own guns. It's not close.
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You think? It would be interesting to actually research this?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Correct. And not all 20 year olds smoke weed. Far from it. In fact, only 4% of conservatives smoke weed at all, so that removes quite a few 20 year olds.

So again, far fewer people smoke weed than own guns. It's not close.
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You're including old fogies and excluding younger folk.
 
I truly hope this travesty from this morning has no impact on any of our forum members.

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Lanny said:
You're including old fogies and excluding younger folk.
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The 12% covers all demographics of adults. And people under 19 only make up less than 25% of the population. 15-19 is only 7%. So at absolute most you're talking 15-17% of the population, including children and old folks...

And that's assuming everybody from 15-18 smokes weed. Which is WAY overestimating.
 
andalusian said:
An interesting interview with a Forensic psychologist on mass murder events:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/18/opinions/mass-murders-pathway-to-violence-bergen-meloy/index.html
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Very interesting link. Thanks for sharing!

Meloy largely dismisses the common talking point, often touted by the NRA and its allies, that mass shootings are caused by individuals with mental disorders. Instead, Meloy focuses on how these mass murderers typically go down a predictable "pathway to violence" and the type of interventions that can sometimes derail them from carrying out a violent act.
I spoke to Meloy earlier this week. Our conversation was edited for clarity.
BERGEN: What are the most ridiculous things people tend to say after a school shooting or a terrorist attack?
MELOY: When people claim that it is all about mental disorder, that sets my teeth on edge. If you say it's about mental disorder, how do you then account for the millions of people in the United States who struggle with mental disorders and are not violent?
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Interesting point... Similarly, if guns are the problem how do you account for the 99.9+% of guns which are never used to commit a crime?

Our first studies of murderers began to be published in the mid-to-late 1990s. We see a small proportion of these individuals having a diagnosed mental disorder, but it's typically not the majority of cases. And it also became apparent that murderers did not, as the public then believed, simply "snap" -- which was also a term that was widely used at the time by the media -- but that these individuals had spent considerable time planning their targeted attacks.
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Is this making the case against the need for wait times as part of the solution for mass shootings? Either way, it's interesting...

It sounds like this guy pretty much agrees with the other professionals we've linked. Troubled people usually give signs before committing these atrocities, and they should be helped. We need to improve all American's access to help.

But most troubled people aren't dangerous, so we should probably be careful about overdoing it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It sounds like this guy pretty much agrees with the other professionals we've linked. Troubled people usually give signs before committing these atrocities, and they should be helped. We need to improve all American's access to help.
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Sure.

I agree with his conclusions. from the article:

Primary prevention: universal registration of firearms and much closer regulation of individuals purchasing firearms
Secondary prevention in the case of those who might be on the pathway to violence is to identify symptomatic individuals and then intervene to try to divert them from that pathway

Unfortunately, primary prevention is going to too hard politically in this country.
 
Pot is still illegal in much of the country. It makes sense that some people might not admit to smoking it. I suspect the number is an underestimate.

barfo
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Well that's a Gallup Poll about smoking pot. It does agree with some of what you say about the number of people who smoke it. You do understand that is a poll right?
I was kind of talking about research on the entire statement.
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As were the gun data. Seems fair to compare it to the other polls linked...
 
barfo said:
Pot is still illegal in much of the country. It makes sense that some people might not admit to smoking it. I suspect the number is an underestimate.

barfo
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As I'm sure many people who own guns do the same.
 
Phatguysrule said:
As I'm sure many people who own guns do the same.
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Why? Most gun owners I know are quite proud to identify as gun owners. In fact it's often hard to get them to talk about anything else.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Why? Most gun owners I know are quite proud to identify as gun owners. In fact it's often hard to get them to talk about anything else.

barfo
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You probably don't even realize many gun owners you know are actually gun owners.
 
barfo said:
Sure. It's like the Nixon's Silent Majority, right?

barfo
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No. Probably more like the Marijuana thing. They don't want want to draw more attention to themselves than necessary.

Most gun owners don't talk about guns much with people who aren't also interested in guns.
 
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