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[barfo]

No. Probably more like they Marijuana thing. They don't want want to draw more attention to themselves than necessary.

Most gun owners don't talk about guns much with people who aren't also interested in guns.

Then I guess I must be interested in guns, since gun owners talk about guns to me.

Anyway, I'm not buying what you are selling here. Seems very clear there's more reason for a dope smoker to lie about it than a gun owner.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Then I guess I must be interested in guns, since gun owners talk about guns to me.

Anyway, I'm not buying what you are selling here. Seems very clear there's more reason for a dope smoker to lie about it than a gun owner.

barfo

I didn't say all. I said most. You are trying to paint all gun owners with the same brush.

 

[Shaboid]

Fucking cowards

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

You probably don't even realize many gun owners you know are actually gun owners.

Even more so there are a bunch of gun owners that legally should not be gun owners and there are even more guns that aren’t even registered to a gun owner.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Even more so there are a bunch of gun owners that legally should not be gun owners and there are even more guns that aren’t even registered to a gun owner.

Yep. The vast majority of gun owners have guns which are unregistered.

 

[crandc]

One Uvalde cop said he had a chance to shoot the killer but was afraid he might accidentally hit children as well.
So a trained police officer was unable to get a good shot but teachers are expected to do so.

 

[Phatguysrule]

One Uvalde cop said he had a chance to shoot the killer but was afraid he might accidentally hit children as well.
So a trained police officer was unable to get a good shot but teachers are expected to do so.

No, teachers are not expected to do that.

Framing it as such is lazy bordering on dishonest.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Report coming out that the Ulvalde police had the personnel and equipment inside the school to stop the shooter within 3 mins after the shooter had entered the school.

 

[crandc]

No, teachers are not expected to do that.

Framing it as such is lazy bordering on dishonest.

Disagree. The proposals to arm teachers assume they can use those guns to stop or prevent school shooting. What other purpose is there?

 

[barfo]

Disagree. The proposals to arm teachers assume they can use those guns to stop or prevent school shooting. What other purpose is there?

To sell more guns? To avoid taking more effective actions?

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Disagree. The proposals to arm teachers assume they can use those guns to stop or prevent school shooting. What other purpose is there?

The proposals I have seen are to allow them to arm themselves if they choose. So that, for example, if they are hiding in a corner of their classroom with their students they have a last line of defense before a killer kills them and all of the students.

That's it.

 

[julius]

The proposals I have seen are to allow them to arm themselves if they choose. So that, for example, if they are hiding in a corner of their classroom with their students they have a last line of defense before a killer kills them and all of the students.

That's it.

Um, that's not significantly different from what she said.

 

[Phatguysrule]

To sell more guns? To avoid taking more effective actions?

barfo

More dishonesty... The thing that sells the most guns and ammo are the pushes for gun control.

Gun manufacturers are making a killing right now. They can't keep guns on the shelves, and the prices are outrageous.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Um, that's not significantly different from what she said.

Yes it is. Allowing somebody to do something without fear of punishment is far different than expecting them to to something.

Police are expected to do something. Teachers should be allowed to defend themselves if they choose.

That's a huge difference.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

The minute a teacher kills a kid some people might actually start thinking again. I'm not just talking about an accident either though that certainly seems to be the most likely outcome. How about a kid taking the gun and killing another kid/teacher/janitor/coach?

No. What she said was not "lazy" or "dishonest" at all. Sorry.

 

[julius]

Yes it is. Allowing somebody to do something without fear of punishment is far different than expecting them to to something.

Police are expected to do something. Teachers should be allowed to defend themselves if they choose.

That's a huge difference.

No it's not It's still expecting teachers to do something they shouldn't be required to do, asked to do, or even suggested to do.

 

[Phatguysrule]

No it's not It's still expecting teachers to do something they shouldn't be required to do, asked to do, or even suggested to do.

No it's not expecting anything. You are claiming it is something that it is not.

There is no expectation that any teacher would do anything they do not want to do.

 

[andalusian]

The solution is not to allow more death tools into schools, it is to ensure there is less access to people with death tools being able to get them into these areas - and that can be done by limiting access to death tools for anyone and everyone (better background checks and regulations) and prevention.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[julius]

No it's not expecting anything. You are claiming it is something that it is not.

There is no expectation that any teacher would do anything they do not want to do.

So it's actually just a case of selling more guns and avoiding actual solutions like @barfo said.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So it's actually just a case of selling more guns and avoiding actual solutions like @barfo said.

No. What you're doing sells more guns. At higher prices.

And your reply is also dishonest and in very poor taste.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Disagree. The proposals to arm teachers assume they can use those guns to stop or prevent school shooting. What other purpose is there?

To allow teachers to defend themselves if they want to.

There is no expectation of anything, other than some training and that teachers have the right to defend themselves with proper equipment.

At least 25% of teachers want to exercise this right. The proposals I've seen simply allow these teachers the protections to do so, with proper training.

 

[julius]

No. What you're doing sells more guns. At higher prices.

And your reply is also dishonest and in very poor taste.

How is what I'm doing selling more guns?

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Lanny]

To allow teachers to defend themselves if they want to.

There is no expectation of anything, other than some training and that teachers have the right to defend themselves with proper equipment.

At least 25% of teachers want to exercise this right. The proposals I've seen simply allow these teachers the protections to do so, with proper training.

Again I say look at the God almighty bottom line, just like business. Many many countries with tough gun laws and tens of thousands of lives saved. One country with nearly no gun laws and many tens of thousands of lives lost.

 

[barfo]

More dishonesty... The thing that sells the most guns and ammo are the pushes for gun control.

Lies about gun control do sell guns, yes.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Again I say look at the God almighty bottom line, just like business. Many many countries with tough gun laws and tens of thousands of lives saved. One country with nearly no gun laws and many tens of thousands of lives lost.

Are we going to ignore that all of our other violent crime rates are higher as well then? And they have been since WWII...

What else do those countries all have in common? Better access to healthcare. Better access to education. Better social safety nets... They have less punitive police, court, and prison systems...

Every first world country beats us in pretty much all of these categories, and all of these things make people more desperate and dangerous. It's why the Gini Coefficient is so indicitive of violent crime.

And guns aren't going anywhere. They just aren't. Even after this tragedy they couldn't get even the Democrats to all agree on raising the age to purchase semiautomatic weapons or rifles.

It's a red herring which distracts from the real issues listed above which would actually give people more freedom and build the middle class, and as a bonus it gooses campaign contributions.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Lies about gun control do sell guns, yes.

barfo

Any before and after evidence of gun control working would really help your claims here.

But no, just a big push for gun control creates of wave of very high margin gun sales.

Note the spikes are when you guys think the biggest opportunity to get sweeping gun control would be, are actually when a wave of guns washes across the country.



https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...-guns-the-spring-2020-spike-in-firearm-sales/

 

[Phatguysrule]

How is what I'm doing selling more guns?

Pushing the political agenda to go after guns sells more guns at higher margins...

See the chart and above. More guns are sold with the drives for "gun control" than any other time.

You're just playing right into the game.