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[SlyPokerDog]

Gunflation!

Thanks Obama & Julius.

 

[julius]

Pushing the political agenda to go after guns sells more guns at higher margins...

See the chart and above. More guns are sold with the drives for "gun control" than any other time.

You're just playing right into the game.

I haven't advocated shit

 

[Phatguysrule]

I haven't advocated shit

I didn't say you had. But attacking logical reasoning with a political slant as you have done just helps feed the ferver which spikes demand and increases the profitability of selling guns.

 

[barfo]

Any before and after evidence of gun control working would really help your claims here.

I don't see how. I didn't say gun control would 'work', I said that lies about gun control sold guns.

But no, just a big push for gun control creates of wave of very high margin gun sales.

Note the spikes are when you guys think the biggest opportunity to get sweeping gun control would be, are actually when a wave of guns washes across the country.

You've accurately identified a correlation, but I think you are wrong about the causation.

The cause is not the (very limited and, if your claims are correct, completely ineffective) gun control proposals, but rather the lies and fearmongering about gun control that the opponents engage in. No, background checks do not mean that the gummint is coming to take your guns away.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't see how. I didn't say gun control would 'work', I said that lies about gun control sold guns.



You've accurately identified a correlation, but I think you are wrong about the causation.

The cause is not the (very limited and, if your claims are correct, completely ineffective) gun control proposals, but rather the lies and fearmongering about gun control that the opponents engage in. No, background checks do not mean that the gummint is coming to take your guns away.

barfo

What lies? What fear mongering? People are buying magazines and ARs because they want to make sure they get them before they might be restricted. Thereby harder to get ahold of and more expensive.

Do you not want guns to be harder to obtain? Because pushing to make guns harder to obtain increases the desire for those guns. Thereby the value of those guns.

What other mechanism is increasing the demand for those guns during pushes for gun control?

 

[Hoopguru]

Wake up people....we live in a world where people want to own weapons for various reasons. Some reasons are sound some not.
Just like any other want, need , desire that people may have. The thing is being educated on how to be responsible.
I have daughters that carry, they are well trained and responsible as they are with other things in their life.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Wake up people....we live in a world where people want to own weapons for various reasons.

One reason my wife carries is that police have no legal obligation to help you. If you're in trouble that you can't solve on your own, all you can do is hope the police show up and then hope they feel like helping.

They aren't compelled to do anything except write reports afterwards.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The doors to the classrooms were unlocked.

Again.

The doors to the classrooms were unfuckinglocked.

The police could have entered the classroom to stop the shooting within 3mins of it starting.

There was no way to lock the classroom doors from inside the classroom.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Five guys in this picture i know could be identified. I want to rush to judgement. I want to say they should be held accountable? I want to ask why first though.

There is simply no way all five of them sat there unless they were told to stand down. It's pretty much unthinkable.

 

[barfo]

What lies? What fear mongering? People are buying magazines and ARs because they want to make sure they get them before they might be restricted. Thereby harder to get ahold of and more expensive.

Do you not want guns to be harder to obtain? Because pushing to make guns harder to obtain increases the desire for those guns. Thereby the value of those guns.

What other mechanism is increasing the demand for those guns during pushes for gun control?

So why do people rush out to buy guns when it is proposed that there be background checks, that the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, that wife-beaters shouldn't have guns?
Are all those gun buyers wife-beating crazy people who can't pass background checks?
Or are people who could legally buy guns at will despite enactment of the proposed measures buying irrationally?

If you are telling me that we should not try to restrict guns because gun owners aren't capable of rational thought, then that's a pretty good reason to actually restrict them from owning guns.
If you are telling me that people who shouldn't have guns are buying guns because they'll be prohibited by the actual measures that have been proposed, then that's a pretty good reason to finally enact those measures so they can't continue to have access.

barfo

 

[Fairly-Hard]

So why do people rush out to buy guns when it is proposed that there be background checks, that the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, that wife-beaters shouldn't have guns?
Are all those gun buyers wife-beating crazy people who can't pass background checks?
Or are people who could legally buy guns at will despite enactment of the proposed measures buying irrationally?

If you are telling me that we should not try to restrict guns because gun owners aren't capable of rational thought, then that's a pretty good reason to actually restrict them from owning guns.
If you are telling me that people who shouldn't have guns are buying guns because they'll be prohibited by the actual measures that have been proposed, then that's a pretty good reason to finally enact those measures so they can't continue to have access.

barfo

I was going here at one time and said “What the fuck am I wasting my time for on this conversation”
Those who can grasp this concept already have. Those who have not or will not probably won’t.

 

[Phatguysrule]

So why do people rush out to buy guns when it is proposed that there be background checks, that the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, that wife-beaters shouldn't have guns?
Are all those gun buyers wife-beating crazy people who can't pass background checks?
Or are people who could legally buy guns at will despite enactment of the proposed measures buying irrationally?

If you are telling me that we should not try to restrict guns because gun owners aren't capable of rational thought, then that's a pretty good reason to actually restrict them from owning guns.
If you are telling me that people who shouldn't have guns are buying guns because they'll be prohibited by the actual measures that have been proposed, then that's a pretty good reason to finally enact those measures so they can't continue to have access.

barfo

Because when gun control is being discussed the discussions go much further than what you have described.

For example, ar15s were never banned during the "assault weapons ban". However, gun control advocates like to pretend they were banned and that it was somehow beneficial. So the talk has been about "banning them again" and limiting magazines with capacities over 10 rounds, even though a huge number of pistols are sold stock with 15 round magazines...

People realize that they people pushing for gun control don't know anything about guns. So they get out ahead of it before they have to worry about restrictions.

 

[barfo]

Because when gun control is being discussed the discussions go much further than what you have described.

For example, ar15s were never banned during the "assault weapons ban". However, gun control advocates like to pretend they were banned and that it was somehow beneficial. So the talk has been about "banning them again" and limiting magazines with capacities over 10 rounds, even though a huge number of pistols are sold stock with 15 round magazines...

People realize that they people pushing for gun control don't know anything about guns. So they get out ahead of it before they have to worry about restrictions.

Sounds to me like they believe lies and or their own fantasies about what is being proposed. And/or they are the slowest learners on the planet, given that we've gone many rounds of not enacting any meaningful restrictions on what guns a responsible person may own. Either way, you aren't making a good case that gun owners are acting rationally when they rush out to buy more guns.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I was going here at one time and said “What the fuck am I wasting my time for on this conversation”
Those who can grasp this concept already have. Those who have not or will not probably won’t.

It's tough to convince people to give up their rights when evidence that doing so would be beneficial is mixed at best.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Sounds to me like they believe lies and or their own fantasies about what is being proposed. And/or they are the slowest learners on the planet, given that we've gone many rounds of not enacting any meaningful restrictions on what guns a responsible person may own. Either way, you aren't making a good case that gun owners are acting rationally when they rush out to buy more guns.

barfo

I wasn't trying to make the case that they are being rational. Just that it happens. That's what consumers do when they think supply may become restricted.

I don't know how listening to policy proposals could be considered believing lies, but I guess you disagree with them, so that makes them dumb and dangerous.

Which is why people don't trust the government with any more rights than necessary.

 

[barfo]

I wasn't trying to make the case that they are being rational. Just that it happens. That's what consumers do when they think supply may become restricted.

Guns aren't toilet paper. You don't need to stockpile them.

I do understand buying more if you don't already have enough for your legitimate purposes, be that hunting, self-defense, overthrowing the government, gang warfare, or murdering children.

barfo

 

[Fairly-Hard]

It's tough to convince people to give up their rights when evidence that doing so would be beneficial is mixed at best.

I do understand that brother and I do respect that.
I don’t want to give up my gun. Yes I have many but I also just don’t see the sense in the full abandon and love affair this country seems to have with guns. I know guns. I’ve used guns and believe me when I tell you I would be happy never having to use them again.
My overall world view has changed for reasons I would just as soon forget.

 

[Lanny]

I don't see how. I didn't say gun control would 'work', I said that lies about gun control sold guns.



You've accurately identified a correlation, but I think you are wrong about the causation.

The cause is not the (very limited and, if your claims are correct, completely ineffective) gun control proposals, but rather the lies and fearmongering about gun control that the opponents engage in. No, background checks do not mean that the gummint is coming to take your guns away.

barfo

When Portland eliminates the sale of fireworks what's going to happen to house fires? Now, apply that to guns.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Yeah she’s had her 15 mins of fame. Moscow Mitch didn’t stay in his spot because he was stupid or without connections. This chick might end up in a bad spot if she keeps running her mouth.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Guns aren't toilet paper. You don't need to stockpile them.

I do understand buying more if you don't already have enough for your legitimate purposes, be that hunting, self-defense, overthrowing the government, gang warfare, or murdering children.

barfo

The supreme court just ruled that requiring a legitimate purpose to bear arms is unconstitutional.

But yes, if there is a magazine, or ammunition, or specific type of gun ban being instituted or discussed, you may indeed want to stock up on magazines, ammunition, or that type of firearm.

Stocking up may mean you only need to buy 1 gun, magazine, and a box of rounds, or it could be 1 gun, 30 magazines, and a few thousand rounds. Or it could be 1 gun for each member of your family.

But if you shoot a lot, you will use ammo like toilet paper. Magazines last longer, but they too wear out. As do guns which are fired often.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Sedatedfork]

I guess I should get a gun now. I’m very clumsy. I will probably accidentally shoot someone with it, or someone will probably shoot me with my own gun. But I guess if everyone is going to have one, I need one too??? Why do I have to take a test to show I know how to drive a car or have insurance to protect people injured by my car, but I can open carry a gun even though I have no fucking clue how to safely use one and if my gun injures someone, they are on their own because I don’t have to buy insurance?

 

[jonnyboy]

So why do people rush out to buy guns when it is proposed that there be background checks, that the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, that wife-beaters shouldn't have guns?

I think many people don’t trust the government to run such a program, seeing as how they are virtually inept at everything else. I think it’s a “get them while you still can” approach.
One side just called the entire other side ‘Nazis’ and ‘fascists’ for four straight years and are now expecting that other side to hand a vetting process over to them and trust they won’t abuse it.
Those are just my guesses.

 

[Chris Craig]

So why do people rush out to buy guns when it is proposed that there be background checks, that the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, that wife-beaters shouldn't have guns?
Are all those gun buyers wife-beating crazy people who can't pass background checks?
Or are people who could legally buy guns at will despite enactment of the proposed measures buying irrationally?

If you are telling me that we should not try to restrict guns because gun owners aren't capable of rational thought, then that's a pretty good reason to actually restrict them from owning guns.
If you are telling me that people who shouldn't have guns are buying guns because they'll be prohibited by the actual measures that have been proposed, then that's a pretty good reason to finally enact those measures so they can't continue to have access.

barfo

Why? It's fearmongering by Republican politicians at the behest of the NRA and gun companies. They need to keep selling guns, so they sell the fear that guns are going to be taken away to get people to stupidly rush to the gun store to buy them. The truth is guns aren't going anywhere. They just want you to think that they are, so they can keep selling them. They are using fear and psychological reactance.

 

[Shaboid]

Found this at a garage sale today. I figured now is the right time to own it. Do I actually buy a hand gun now?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

View attachment 48141 Found this at a garage sale today. I figured now is the right time to own it. Do I actually buy a hand gun now?

 

[SlyPokerDog]