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The comments are interesting... I swear, this bill could be a republican ploy to get out the vote for Drazen.
 
calvin natt said:
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I use to live in St. Louis. It is one of the most fucked up states in the United States. When I lived there it was legal to nurse a high ball while tooling down the freeway but illegal for a Black to walk on the road side unless on a sidewalk.
 
Lanny said:
I use to live in St. Louis. It is one of the most fucked up states in the United States. When I lived there it was legal to nurse a high ball while tooling down the freeway but illegal for a Black to walk on the road side unless on a sidewalk.
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Looks pretty nice when you lived there:

 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Looks pretty nice when you lived there:

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Yeah, but that photo is colorized. In reality, St. Louis was just black and white at that time.

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tlongII said:
It would require having money so it would most likely not be a solution.
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If you have enough money to buy these guns and hundreds of rounds you have enough to pay for sex.

Of course, it costs a lot less than that now. But maybe if there was a legit marketplace... I don't know.

We really need to improve our social services (mental health). That much is beyond clear.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
If you have enough money to buy these guns and hundreds of rounds you have enough to pay for sex.

Of course, it costs a lot less than that now. But maybe if there was a legit marketplace... I don't know.

We really need to improve our social services. That much is beyond clear.
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If he had enough money to buy the guns and ammo he had enough to fly to Amsterdam. It's legal there.
 
You can now literally print paper templates in your desktop printer and cut parts with a grinder and a drill to make your own lower (the only part you can actually classify legally as a gun). It's easier to make parts for fully automatic than it is to make semiautomatic.

And a federal judge just ruled that it's unconstitutional to have laws against owning guns without serial numbers. Even if the serial number was ground off.

Gun control has no chance

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Phatguysrule said:
You can now literally print paper templates in your desktop printer and cut parts with a grinder and a drill to make your own lower (the only part you can actually classify legally as a gun). It's easier to make parts for fully automatic than it is to make semiautomatic.

And a federal judge just ruled that it's unconstitutional to have laws against owning guns without serial numbers. Even if the serial number was ground off.

Gun control has no chance

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Sure, gun control can work. Make that illegal and then enforce it.
 
Lanny said:
Sure, gun control can work. Make that illegal and then enforce it.
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Make metal plates illegal? Grinders? Screws? How could you possibly enforce something like that?

We can't even get police to respond to 911 calls. Street racers shut down major intersections for hours on end. Groups of thieves just walk into stores and steal millions of dollars worth of merchandise. Police are powerless.

The more laws you make to restrict access the more "ghost guns" you'll start to see. And they will be more dangerous than what you can legally buy.

It's a race that law can't win. Just like digital piracy. The law can't keep up with technology.

Hence Colorado's magazine limits followed by 35% rise in violent crime and murder rates over the following decade or so... Including multiple mass shootings that made national news.

As well as Oregon, WA, and California laws which have done nothing to prevent rises in violent crime or murder rates.

Gun control is a fool's errand designed to prevent focus on real solutions. A waste of valuable time and political capital. A distraction. Nothing more.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Make metal plates illegal? Grinders? Screws? How could you possibly enforce something like that?

We can't even get police to respond to 911 calls. Street racers shut down major intersections for hours on end. Groups of thieves just walk into stores and steal millions of dollars worth of merchandise. Police are powerless.

The more laws you make to restrict access the more "ghost guns" you'll start to see. And they will be more dangerous than what you can legally buy.

It's a race that law can't win. Just like digital piracy. The law can't keep up with technology.

Hence Colorado's magazine limits followed by 35% rise in violent crime and murder rates over the following decade or so... Including multiple mass shootings that made national news.

As well as Oregon, WA, and California laws which have done nothing to prevent rises in violent crime or murder rates.

Gun control is a fool's errand designed to prevent focus on real solutions. A waste of valuable time and political capital. A distraction. Nothing more.
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I'm not going to argue with you because you will never understand the obvious logic that I see in gun control. Hence let's save ourselves a lot of frustration.
 
Lanny said:
I'm not going to argue with you because you will never understand the obvious logic that I see in gun control. Hence let's save ourselves a lot of frustration.
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Please understand that in this conversation my only frustration is people pushing the removal of rights armed with a void of evidence.

I can understand the frustration of trying to push such a policy in the face of such conflicting evidence. I simply don't understand why someone would put themselves in that position.

I understand your logic that yes, if we could eliminate guns fewer people would be killed by guns. That is sound logic on it's surface.

But you have to make many assumptions to arrive at such a conclusion.

First, the assumption that enough people would want to remove guns. But the number of states in our country who support permitless open and concealed carry has increased from 28 to 35 over the last couple of years, so that assumption is a reach, to say the least.

Second, the assumption that we can remove guns. Of which there is no evidence we can. In fact, judging by our lack of success with alcohol, drugs, and really anything else people by the 10s of millions have wanted, the evidence supports the contrary.

Third, you have to assume that removing guns would prevent people from killing others. But as I've shown many times, the presence of guns doesn't correlate with the amount of violence or death in a country. Many countries with very few guns have higher violent crime and murder rates than those with even higher gun ownership rates. And vice versa. So there is certainly no evidence of causation.

The reality is that the one consistency among countries with lower murder rates is their relatively low scores on the Gini index.

I am sorry if that position is frustrating for you, and I don't fault you if you decide not to reply. My intention is certainly not to frusrate you.

I enjoy conversing with you very much Lanny, and appreciate your contributions to this thread. I sincerely look forward to our next conversation, in this thread, or any other.
 
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