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[Phatguysrule]

Quick back of the envelope math says this list comprises roughly...

0.035% of murders
0.090% of gun deaths
0.001% of violent crime

May be off by a bit depending on what sources you're using, but not enough to support the theory that an ar15 or rifle of any kind is associated with an increase risk of death over any other gun.

In fact far more People are killed with hand guns. More people are killed by bludgeoning than the ar15.

Oh, and Colorado has had a high capacity magazine ban for 9 years...

 

[calvin natt]

Quick back of the envelope math says this list comprises roughly...

0.035% of murders
0.090% of gun deaths
0.001% of violent crime

May be off by a bit depending on what sources you're using, but not enough to support the theory that an ar15 or rifle of any kind is associated with an increase risk of death over any other gun.

In fact far more People are killed with hand guns. More people are killed by bludgeoning than the ar15.

Oh, and Colorado has had a high capacity magazine ban for 9 years...

We should not have AR 15s anywhere is what I think it means. It’s clearly the weapon of choice for these mass shooting lunatics.

 

[Road Ratt]

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[Phatguysrule]

We should not have AR 15s anywhere is what I think it means. It’s clearly the weapon of choice for these mass shooting lunatics.

It's the most popular gun in America. Of course people are going to use it. It's less lethal than most hunting rifles and kills a minute fraction of the people as handguns.

In fact, fewer than die in bludgeoning murders in this country.

You can't ban the AR15 without banning most hunting rifles (they have the same capabilities, but AR typically use a smaller round). This is not logical.

I have no great love for the ar15. But this just doesn't make sense.

 

[Shogun X]

Supposed pic of shooter. I guess a few years old (2014?)

He looks off

 

[calvin natt]

It’s always shocking to me that we always hear about these fucks being on their radar or law enforcement being aware of them or “we almost arrested him” bullshit. We gotta stop that shit. If you are screwed up enough that you are one of these people, they need to have help/therapy/meds, something so they don’t go off the deep end. We need more mental institutions.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It’s always shocking to me that we always hear about these fucks being on their radar or law enforcement being aware of them or “we almost arrested him” bullshit. We gotta stop that shit. If you are screwed up enough that you are one of these people, they need to have help/therapy/meds, something so they don’t go off the deep end. We need more mental institutions.

Agree 100%. This isn't something law enforcement can effectively address.

 

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[Chris Craig]

Nowhere is safe.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, hearing 7 so far with a handful others injured and still in unknown states in the hospital.

Yeah, he's dead. He turned the gun on himself after shooting others.

 

[calvin natt]

It's the most popular gun in America. Of course people are going to use it. It's less lethal than most hunting rifles and kills a minute fraction of the people as handguns.

In fact, fewer than die in bludgeoning murders in this country.

You can't ban the AR15 without banning most hunting rifles (they have the same capabilities, but AR typically use a smaller round). This is not logical.

I have no great love for the ar15. But this just doesn't make sense.

“It’s the most popular” isn’t reason to have them. Cocaine is really popular. As for the handguns kill more stat- I am talking about mass shootings. The one-offs I have completely given up on. But the psychos who decide to choose a gun for their shooting spree, it’s the AR15s.

 

[calvin natt]

 

[Phatguysrule]

“It’s the most popular” isn’t reason to have them. Cocaine is really popular. As for the handguns kill more stat- I am talking about mass shootings. The one-offs I have completely given up on. But the psychos who decide to choose a gun for their shooting spree, it’s the AR15s.

How do you make a gun illegal that has the same features as most hunting rifles?

What makes an AR15 different? What part or feature do you outlaw?

 

[Phatguysrule]

That's absolutely false. I know dozens of people who own AR15s for hunting and self defense. I only know of a few who own them for the "Zombie Apocalypse", video game appeal. And they go target shooting for recreation.

But none of them have problems with violence or the law.

 

[calvin natt]

That's absolutely false. I know dozens of people who own AR15s for hunting and self defense. I only know of a few who own them for the "Zombie Apocalypse", video game appeal.

But none of them have problems with violence or the law.

You know dozens who own for self defense against government tyranny? They need to get out more

 

[calvin natt]

How do you make a gun illegal that has the same features as most hunting rifles?

What makes an AR15 different? What part or feature do you outlaw?

It’s different because it seems to be the one that is almost exclusively used in mass shootings. Sure, maybe they’d get a different firearm to use in their killing sprees. Let them do that.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You know dozens who own for self defense against government tyranny? They need to get out more

I didn't say that. Why is it so hard for you to have an honest conversation about this?

*Edit* That second sentence isn't intended as an attack, but an honest question. This is too important of an issue to react. We must have a thoughtful response if we want to have any hope of making a positive impact.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It’s different because it seems to be the one that is almost exclusively used in mass shootings. Sure, maybe they’d get a different firearm to use in their killing sprees. Let them do that.

Please answer the question. You are the one pushing this.

What specific component is different? How do you outlaw it? What part? What feature?

 

[Shogun X]

 

[calvin natt]

I didn't say that. Why is it so hard for you to have an honest conversation about this?

My original post was the tweet that said self defense against govt tyranny. Then you said you had dozens who used it for self defense. I cannot imagine feeling the need for a fucking AR15 for self defense. I just can’t. Get a handgun that had six bullets or whatever. If your life puts you in a position where you need an AR you are either a psychopath with serious issues or need to move out of the area that has you so paranoid.

 

[Chris Craig]

My original post was the tweet that said self defense against govt tyranny. Then you said you had dozens who used it for self defense. I cannot imagine feeling the need for a fucking AR15 for self defense. I just can’t. Get a handgun that had six bullets or whatever. If your life puts you in a position where you need an AR you are either a psychopath with serious issues or need to move out of the area that has you so paranoid.

I agree an AR-15 is not a gun you buy for home defense. You buy it to collect maybe or really it's mostly young dudes who saw guns like it in Call of Duty because it looks cool.

A handgun should suffice for home/personal protection. I thought I heard the Walmart shooter used a handgun in his shooting.

 

[Phatguysrule]

My original post was the tweet that said self defense against govt tyranny. Then you said you had dozens who used it for self defense. I cannot imagine feeling the need for a fucking AR15 for self defense. I just can’t. Get a handgun that had six bullets or whatever. If your life puts you in a position where you need an AR you are either a psychopath with serious issues or need to move out of the area that has you so paranoid.

You listed 3 reasons people don't own these guns.

I replied that it was false because I personally know dozens who own them for two of the three reasons.

Now, it's important to understand that a person can use hunting rifles and shotguns for self defense. They can also use hand guns for hunting. Different guns have different purposes. Different strengths and weaknesses.

The AR platform is simply a customizable platform equivalent to light hunting rifles which can be set up to be easily used for both sport shooting and hunting.

It has no advanced killing capability or capacity over a hunting rifle, other than you can easily mount a flashlight on it.

 

[calvin natt]

You listed 3 reasons people don't own these guns.

I replied that it was false because I personally know dozens who own them for two of the three reasons.

Now, it's important to understand that a person can use hunting rifles and shotguns for self defense. They can also use hand guns for hunting. Different guns have different purposes. Different strengths and weaknesses.

The AR platform is simply a customizable platform equivalent to light hunting rifles which can be set up to be easily used for both sport shooting and hunting.

It has no advanced killing capability or capacity over a hunting rifle, other than you can easily mount a flashlight on it.

All of this is moot because I 100% feel that anyone using an AR15 to kill animals is a joke anyway. Getting dressed up in the camo and hiding from a deer so you can shoot an AR at it is pathetic. But hunters love it so I guess it is what it is.

 

[Shogun X]