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tlongII said:
I guess I don’t know the definition of murder. Do you get charged with murder if you’re an accomplice? I thought there was something like accessory to murder. I’m not very knowledgeable about the various criminal charges admittedly.
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I think it varies depending on what jurisdiction a crime is committed. For instance, in one state something might qualify as a certain crime when it might be another in a neighboring state. There is nuance in the detail depending on who is adjudicating the offense.
 
PCmor7 said:
I'm saying it's BS that expecting we can be kinder on the whole is "rainbows and unicorns."

Also, saying there are awful people out there doesn't mean that half the people will be awful or try to get over on each other, presumably innately.

I agree that you won't have 100% kindness, at least not in our lifetimes or for generations, but it's not an all-or-nothing proposition. It doesn't have to be. The point is that every time we practice a bit or restraint in cruelty to our fellow human makes a dent in someone else being cruel to someone or something else. Movement toward a more-considerate populace will diminish this kind of behavior, even if it doesn't irradicate it, and not immediately being cruel to another person IS achievable on a personal level. As human beings with the ability to think and reason on a higher level, we also have the ability to control acting on impulse in most cases.
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I dont disagree. Im just saying there will always be thst type of person who takes advantage of the kindness to reep personal benefits and/or just simply be an unkind person.
Yes it all starts with us as an individual to have emotional restraint, turn the other cheek and all that, but that only goes so far.
What do we do with those, or how do we deal with those who refuse to play fair/kind and sit and wait to pounce on any opportunity they see they can have personal gain of some sort?

Bullies, line cutters, the types who are completely selfish, but within the law, i think is a large part of peoples aggression. i think people are sick of the passive aggressive types. The ones who love to trigger and then point the finger at the reaction. People want other people to start coming down on those who try to trigger instead of going after thsoecwho react.
Its the triggerers that are the foundation of such conflicts but society has dismissed them in favor of coming down on those who react to the trigger.

So people are tired of trying to be kind. I know i am. Im tired of trying to do the right thing and getting behind because of it, while watching people slip the system to get ahead. makes it really tough to be kind all the time when this happens so often.

im tired of trying to be kind to those who disagree with me while they mock and belittle my opinions. Actually im done with it. Been done with it.
Im just tired of rude selfish people and i see them constantly on a daily basis.

we have a generation coming up that thinks they know everything and what is right and wrong with little emotional maturity, yelling and screaming at those who dont think just like them.
Yea, im sorry but i feel a “kind” nation is more utopia than reality.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I dont disagree. Im just saying there will always be thst type of person who takes advantage of the kindness to reep personal benefits and/or just simply be an unkind person.
Yes it all starts with us as an individual to have emotional restraint, turn the other cheek and all that, but that only goes so far.
What do we do with those, or how do we deal with those who refuse to play fair/kind and sit and wait to pounce on any opportunity they see they can have personal gain of some sort?

Bullies, line cutters, the types who are completely selfish, but within the law, i think is a large part of peoples aggression. i think people are sick of the passive aggressive types. The ones who love to trigger and then point the finger at the reaction. People want other people to start coming down on those who try to trigger instead of going after thsoecwho react.
Its the triggerers that are the foundation of such conflicts but society has dismissed them in favor of coming down on those who react to the trigger.

So people are tired of trying to be kind. I know i am. Im tired of trying to do the right thing and getting behind because of it, while watching people slip the system to get ahead. makes it really tough to be kind all the time when this happens so often.

im tired of trying to be kind to those who disagree with me while they mock and belittle my opinions. Actually im done with it. Been done with it.
Im just tired of rude selfish people and i see them constantly on a daily basis.

we have a generation coming up that thinks they know everything and what is right and wrong with little emotional maturity, yelling and screaming at those who dont think just like them.
Yea, im sorry but i feel a “kind” nation is more utopia than reality.
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You say that you're, "tired of rude selfish people"? I get that, but deciding to become one seems like a pretty questionable plan.
 
tlongII said:
I guess I don’t know the definition of murder. Do you get charged with murder if you’re an accomplice? I thought there was something like accessory to murder. I’m not very knowledgeable about the various criminal charges admittedly.
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His son is a minor. He is responsible for him. He gave his son a gun. His son killed people. Murder. He is responsible.
 
e_blazer said:
You say that you're, "tired of rude selfish people"? I get that, but deciding to become one seems like a pretty questionable plan.
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i wouldnt say its deciding to become one as much as just giving what is given. Fire for fire. Im not being openly rude to random people, only those being rude to others. Giving them a taste of their own medicine so to speak. Is it the best answer? No. But i don't claim to be a God or some perfect angel. I wear my faults out in the open, unlike some who try to portray pretend perfection. I also dont claim to have all the answers. I only claim to be human and my human reaction is me being done with continually trying to be nice to those who bite off the hand trying to feed them.
 
Kid gets busted previously for saying he’s going to shoot up school. FBI comes and interviews parents. Dad later buys son an AR15.

Dad basically said here you go!
 
There’s a type with these school shooters. Middle class, white kids, outcast and they have easy access to guns is kind of the rule.
 
MickZagger said:
Kid gets busted previously for saying he’s going to shoot up school. FBI comes and interviews parents. Dad later buys son an AR15.

Dad basically said here you go!
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Yep. Give him life in jail. He got kids killed. Mom should get some punishment for not stopping it as well. Unless she's the victim of DV or something.
 
MickZagger said:
There’s a type with these school shooters. Middle class, white kids, outcast and they have easy access to guns is kind of the rule.
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Yes. Need to get serious about mental health in schools. Need more mental health workers in schools with more contact with students and helping to direct policy and help educate school staff.

Need more opportunities for education for parents. Need free (in fact pay adults with a tax rebate) parenting, self-defense, and gun safety classes.

We need a shift our social safety net to help more of our people.
 
MickZagger said:
There’s a type with these school shooters. Middle class, white kids, outcast and they have easy access to guns is kind of the rule.
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I wonder about the whole "outcast" part of that, though.

I tend to think that's more of a post-act narrative that's been manifested into a false reality, at least partly because we don't want to acknowledge that a lot of these people are pretty much normal members of American society until they take that next step and go on a shooting spree.

When you delve into this, you find out that most of them had friends and families and there were probably other kids in their class or community that were a lot more detached or introverted or isolated that didn't go this far.

I also think more and more this is a sociological issue than a psychological one. Yes, the latter plays some role, but there are a lot of things about conformity, normalizing and glorifying firearms use, just general casual hate, things that pretty much everyone encounters in some way every day, that I think are bigger triggers than someone having emotional wellness issues.
 
PCmor7 said:
I wonder about the whole "outcast" part of that, though.

I tend to think that's more of a post-act narrative that's been manifested into a false reality, at least partly because we don't want to acknowledge that a lot of these people are pretty much normal members of American society until they take that next step and go on a shooting spree.

When you delve into this, you find out that most of them had friends and families and there were probably other kids in their class or community that were a lot more detached or introverted or isolated that didn't go this far.

I also think more and more this is a sociological issue than a psychological one. Yes, the latter plays some role, but there are a lot of things about conformity, normalizing and glorifying firearms use, just general casual hate, things that pretty much everyone encounters in some way every day, that I think are bigger triggers than someone having emotional wellness issues.
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I was in high school not all too long ago. Teenagers are brutal. These kids all look like the type that weren’t in the “in crowd” and were probably bullied.
 
MickZagger said:
I was in high school not all too long ago. Teenagers are brutal. These kids all look like the type that weren’t in the “in crowd” and were probably bullied.
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Agreed. Just had a daughter graduate and, and teenagers are absolutely brutal. With ignorant parents that often just exacerbate the problem, including when it comes to excluding kids.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes. Need to get serious about mental health in schools. Need more mental health workers in schools with more contact with students and helping to direct policy and help educate school staff.

Need more opportunities for education for parents. Need free (in fact pay adults with a tax rebate) parenting, self-defense, and gun safety classes.

We need a shift our social safety net to help more of our people.
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Been thinking about this and im wondering what type or amount of mental health help would or will it rake to fix?
If youth are growing up feeling despair based o nthe currently society, what type of mental help will turn that around by the masses?
 
MickZagger said:
I was in high school not all too long ago. Teenagers are brutal. These kids all look like the type that weren’t in the “in crowd” and were probably bullied.
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That's kind of my point, though. You could say anyone and everyone was an outcast. Even the "in-crowd" can have a pecking order.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Been thinking about this and im wondering what type or amount of mental health help would or will it rake to fix?
If youth are growing up feeling despair based o nthe currently society, what type of mental help will turn that around by the masses?
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More health workers in schools for this specific problem. I think you probably need between 5 and 10 armed and trained individuals at school (depending on the number of students in the school, maybe one per 200 students) to reduce the incentive of attacking a "gun free zone" and you probably need at least as many or even maybe double the number of mental health professionals at school interacting with kids everyday. Every student should interact multiple times a day with multiple different mental health professionals. Or teachers with mental health training.

And these things need to be done correctly.

And it will take a very gracious and friendly approach. People shouldn't be afraid that you're going to come and take their kids. They should be welcoming the help that they can get and raising a healthier child to become a more productive adult.

These people should be trained in the kind of help that people can get. They should be able to help guide parents through any additional training or help or daycare or services that are available. And they should be able to help organize services if more are needed.

We shouldn't have a combative relationship between the parents and the schools. If that exists then there's a problem at the school.

And we need somebody to make sure that teachers are held accountable for being a contributing factor for these problems. And educated in ways not to be a contributing factor but rather a part of a solution.

No student should ever be forgotten about or just passed along because they're difficult. There is a reason they're difficult. We should be figuring out what that is and how we can help alleviate that problem.

And teachers should be paid better. Teachers with mental health training should be paid more than the others. As should teachers who are getting the extra training and testing to be armed.

Just my personal opinion.
 
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PCmor7 said:
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Imagine if his ID had been marked by the arresting officer as a matter of policy (hole punch at the time of arrest would work) and it were a felony to sell to anybody without an unmarked ID.

Who would be opposed to the arresting officer or jail marking this guy's ID?
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Imagine if his ID had been marked by the arresting officer as a matter of policy (hole punch at the time of arrest would work) and it were a felony to sell to anybody without an unmarked ID.

Who would be opposed to the arresting officer or jail marking this guy's ID?
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Do you ever read or see one of these and just say or type” Wow, that’s fucked up!” You always have some random idea to fix shit that will never happen.

Just type, “Wow, that’s fucked up!” I just don’t get people that think guns are ok. You have fucking teen kids man.

I’ve shared before….I’ve seen other kids get shot and killed in HS 2 times and then went in the army. I saw more death outside the army than in it! It’s OK to not think guns are cool.

GUNS ARE NOT COOL!
 
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