Frye....get him the hell outta there

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Blazed said:
Would you be asking him too? Neither can Anderson Varejao (compareable to Freeland) or many other backup PF in the league.
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We already have a backup PF who can't create his own shot.

Although he's turning nicely into this years scapegoat.
 
Who cares if a PF can create his own shot. He's a PF, that's not a trait carried by that position except for the very elite.
 
Frye is a great kid, a good teammate, a pretty good player and he loves Portland.

Relax.
 
julius said:
We already have a backup PF who can't create his own shot.

Although he's turning nicely into this years scapegoat.
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Well. He can't create his own shot. He can't get to the line. He can't rebound. He can't defend.

He is a good perimeter shooter when he's wide open.

That's a pretty crappy skill set for a backup PF, I would argue.

I don't know that he deserves to be a scapegoat (this team is too good to have scapegoats, IMO), but he fills a spot that definitely can be upgraded.

Ed O.
 
Stevenson said:
Frye is a great kid, a good teammate, a pretty good player and he loves Portland.

Relax.
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I agree that he loves Portland and Portland loves him right back, but sadly I'm not sure that qualifies him to play professional basketball for the Blazers. That said, I really hope he gets his head screwed on straight and picks it up down the stretch because I'd really like him to succeed here.
 
What was Frye's game in New York when he was good his rookie year???
 
julius said:
Ah, per 40..

Well, per 40, Channing is averaging 15 points, 7 boards and almost a block a game.

I'm not sure that's a really good argument made for Freeland.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but in the same per-40 argument,

28/12/2.5 >> 15/7/1

Right?
 
blue32 said:
What was Frye's game in New York when he was good his rookie year???
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Channing was a beast his rookie year. He was athletic, and willing to take it to the hoop. He really was willing to mix it up inside.
Then he seriously injured his left knee late in the year, and just wasn't the same. He didn't have the same mobility that he had.
The guy was blocking shots and making alley-oops.

Here's highlights of his rookie year pre-injury if you're willing to put up with the music, or just turn your volume down. The highlights start at around the :50 second mark.

The end of the video shows Channing's injury... looked pretty brutal.

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MIXUM said:
zagsfan....

hate to tell ya, but frye is a perfect fit for a team like the thunder. you know a team that will be rebuilding for 5-6 years. the knicks (that hurts) couldn't send him out fast enough...THE KNICKS! Think about that for a second. HE IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!! You know, i know, and every NBA team knows it.
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A team like the Knicks who had Isaiah Thomas as GM... Not exactly the best example of a team that understands talent when they have it. Your goal as a poster is to get under peoples skin, you wait for any time an opportunity presents itself. There hasn't been many this year so your going after our backup PF's play during a blowout. When was the last time a backup 4 had a serious effect on a win or loss Think about it, tell me when you can think of it. Whether Frye had a good game against Boston or not, it still wouldn't have been enough because no one else was worth a damn either.
 
I don't want to sound too cruel, but....

The difference between Frye then and Frye now
is stunningly like
The difference between OSU Oden and Oden now.


alex42083 said:
Channing was a beast his rookie year. He was athletic, and willing to take it to the hoop. He really was willing to mix it up inside.
Then he seriously injured his left knee late in the year, and just wasn't the same. He didn't have the same mobility that he had.
The guy was blocking shots and making alley-oops.

Here's highlights of his rookie year pre-injury if you're willing to put up with the music, or just turn your volume down. The highlights start at around the :50 second mark.

The end of the video shows Channing's injury... looked pretty brutal.

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Wizard Mentor said:
I don't want to sound too cruel, but....

The difference between Frye then and Frye now
is stunningly like
The difference between OSU Oden and Oden now.
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That may be the case, brutal leg injuries will do that to athletic big men. But I'll give Greg some time since Amare didn't look that good at first and now can still jump outta the gym.

I feel a little sorry for Channing though. I might even say he was as good of a prospect pre-injury as LaMarcus.
 
alex42083 said:
That may be the case, brutal leg injuries will do that to athletic big men. But I'll give Greg some time since Amare didn't look that good at first and now can still jump outta the gym.

I feel a little sorry for Channing though. I might even say he was as good of a prospect pre-injury as LaMarcus.
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Yes, and Oden's injury wasn't brutal... they don't even know how it happened. As far as we know, it needed MF so that it would be stronger in the long haul - it just takes a while to rehab from.
 
alex42083 said:
I feel a little sorry for Channing though. I might even say he was as good of a prospect pre-injury as LaMarcus.
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Frye was a soft jumpshooting big man in college. That's what he is. An injury that happened after his college career presumably had little to do with it.

Calling him as good a prospect as Aldridge seems an odd thing to do. Aldridge was a young top-3 pick out of college... Frye was the 8th pick after spending four full years at Arizona. The difference has been pretty marked at every steop of their careers.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Frye was a soft jumpshooting big man in college. That's what he is. An injury that happened after his college career presumably had little to do with it.

Calling him as good a prospect as Aldridge seems an odd thing to do. Aldridge was a young top-3 pick out of college... Frye was the 8th pick after spending four full years at Arizona. The difference has been pretty marked at every steop of their careers.

Ed O.
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I think people forget how good Channing was before that injury his rookie year. He left Arizona second all-time in school history in blocks and third all-time in rebounds. The injury had a lot to do with it because he has no lift now, and won't block any shots anymore.

Maybe it's a little far-fetched to say he was as good of a prospect as LMA, but Channing was a whole different player his rookie year. He was first-team all-rookie, was fifth in the ROY voting ahead of Deron Williams and was considered the future PF for New York.
 
alex42083 said:
I think people forget how good Channing was before that injury his rookie year. He left Arizona second all-time in school history in blocks and third all-time in rebounds. The injury had a lot to do with it because he has no lift now, and won't block any shots anymore.

Maybe it's a little far-fetched to say he was as good of a prospect as LMA, but Channing was a whole different player his rookie year. He was first-team all-rookie, was fifth in the ROY voting ahead of Deron Williams and was considered the future PF for New York.
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That year was a fluke. I was saying it at the time. I'm not at all surprised that he reverted to his college play... which made him a late lottery pick, rather than a high one.

Ed O.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but in the same per-40 argument,

28/12/2.5 >> 15/7/1

Right?
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The competition they faced dwell in different universes, skill-wise.

The guys is British.

Don't expect miracles.
 
It's a shame, he had such a promising rookie year.
 
I really disagree with most of you about Frye. Players typically look bad when they're playing roles they're not accustomed to. Not to mention, his slow start can be attributed to his offseason knee surgery. This can set people back. Unfortunately for him, he was given his most minutes right when he was returning from the injury.

He's hardly ever in the game now. For some it's pretty tough to get your rhythm when you're only in the game for 2 to 5 minute stretches. He's never played this few of minutes in his career.

With about a month after surgery, and with extended court time, Channing did a great job. November 19th though the 26th, he played 5 games averaging:

- 19 minutes
- hit 20 of 39 shot attempts
- hit 5 of 8 3-pt shots
- hit 8 of 11 ft attempts
- 11 points per game
- 1 Turnover
- 4 rebounds (to be expected considering his role in the offense to be on the perimeter)

We won 4 of the 5 games.

Look if he gets minutes he produces. He doesn't get those minutes. It's not his fault. Travis has been producing and the team is winning. Frye's not complaining about minutes. In the event though that Travis is moved, Frye will come in, and like usual, help us win games.
 
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