Frye, "I'm Not Soft!" (1 Viewer)

[Shapecity]

Frye, "I'm Not Soft!"

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Channing Frye defends himself against the "soft" label with the same vigor he defends the lane against a penetrating point guard.
Frye, the Knicks' new 6-foot-11 center, has been touted as an athletic big man who can run the floor and get easy transition baskets, a nice shotblocker with a 7-3 wingspan, an active rebounder, good jump shooter with great character. There's another word that crops up in the scouting report: "soft."

"What's your definition of soft?" Frye said yesterday after summer-league practice in Westchester. "People have been called soft. Name something I do as soft? I just don't feel I emulate that."

Knick president Isiah Thomas never thought so either, and targeted Frye in May at No. 8 after the draft lottery.

"It's definitely a motivator because you feel you try to play the game right and they call you soft," Frye said. "There isn't anything I do that promotes the word soft. Do I miss practice? No. Do I not play hard? No. Do I miss any games? No. Do I back down from bigger guys? No. That's all right. I have to earn my name."

Frye has participated in three days of summer-league practice. Today, the Knicks fly to Las Vegas for five summer-league games, then to Minneapolis for five more. </div>

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[j0se]

Prove to me you can play around the basket and be a defensive force, till now, this is all talk, since Fyre is talking alot of smack, he better step his game up quickly.

 

[Beat]

Thats deep.....

 

[Miami Flash City]

Wow Frye seems motivated thats a good thing. Cant wait to see if he could prove hes not soft.

 

[bbwTwinTowers]

Lets all just wait and see if he is really "soft".

 

[Courtking]

What do you think he is going to say about himself? "Yes I confess, I am a soft player..." I'll wait until he goes out and proves that he isn't a soft player but for now, I'll say yes he is a bit soft...

 

[Skiptomylue11]

Anyone go to espn.com and listen to Isiah Thomas' talk with Dan Patrick. He said that if he had the #1 pick he would have taken Frye over Bogut... lmao.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index#
then click on "What does Isiah Thomas have planned for the Knicks? Dan Patrick had to ask."

 

[Bobcats]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone go to espn.com and listen to Isiah Thomas' talk with Dan Patrick. He said that if he had the #1 pick he would have taken Frye over Bogut... lmao.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index#
then click on "What does Isiah Thomas have planned for the Knicks? Dan Patrick had to ask."</div>

That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

 

[Schaddy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Channing Frye defends himself against the "soft" label with the same vigor he defends the lane against a penetrating point guard. </div>

Guys, he isn't soft; he's more than willing to body up on a point guard.

j/k

 

[Shapecity]

Of course Isiah is going to make the claim he would take Frye over Bogut, especially now that the draft is over. He wants to support the player he chose and boost his confidence level.

I liked how Herb Williams broke it down in his assessment of Frye. He said Frye needs to learn how to hold his position better on defense instead of relying on blocking the shot.

This article mentioned Frye is only 250, but some have reported he's 270, and the 20lbs makes a huge difference. Knick fans think Isiah is slowly trying to put together a faster, more athletic team on the floor. With Isiah's pursuit of Swift and Kwame Brown, I don't think he plans on using Frye at Center.

A proposed deal was Sweetney + fillers for Kwame Brown in a sign and trade. This would allow Frye to play the 4, and Brown at the 5, giving the Knicks a very long, athletic frontline, to go with a quick backcourt. It's a huge risk to start those two, but the Knicks have enough depth in the frontcourt to tinker around.

PG - Marbury
SG - Crawford
SF - Q Rich
PF - Frye
C - Brown

Another rumor today in Insider had the Knicks shopping Marbury, Thomas around, possibly for Dalembert, Mashburn, McKie, and Ollie. More farfetched than the Kwame-Sweetney deal, probably just a made up deal by Ford.

Still Isiah is definitely in the search for an athletic Center whether it's Swift (masquerading as one), Kwame, or Dalembert, I'm sure he has his eye on Chandler also even though there's no chance the Bulls don't bring him back.

 

[Miami Flash City]

thats crazy Marbury and AI both on the 76ers, i doubt that will happen

 

[Mr. J]

About the Frye/Bogut thing from Isiah - it was simply getting Frye confidence as Shape said. I think if Isiah was in the position in which he could choose #1, he would grab Bogut. He knows better.

I saw the same thing on ESPN.com, but unfortunately, I don't have Insider. Anyway, if I'm going to give up Marbury, I certainly want more value than Samuel Dalembert; especially if I'm giving up a player of Marbury's caliber to a division rival. Do people realize depending on the success of the Sixers, it will greatly effect whether we can make it to the postseason? Let's face it guys - like it or not, Marbury is still one of the best players in the league and despite many people calling him "selfish" he gives you 8 assists every night to go along with 20 points.

Dalembert is good and I would definitely welcome a shotblocker as would any Knick fan, but there is a reason why we drafted Frye. It was to give us a center and stop it with all of these PF's. If we force Frye to power forward, what will that do to David Lee? Malik, JYD, and Mo' aren't going anywhere with their contracts, so we're stuck with them for the time being. I would only deal my expiring contracts (preferably Penny) for Dalembert and I would only do this move if Sweetney is gone.

We should/can get more value for Sweetney than Kwame Brown. Yes, he is loaded with potential, but he has shown no signs in wanting to turn into the great player everyone knows he can be. At least with Sweetney, we know we're getting a hard working, solid big man. He seems like he's going to have a double-double future and Kwame looks like he's going to have a terrible future; so I would want much more value if I'm giving up my 9th overall pick a couple of years ago. A trade in which we can unload Sweetney and one of our PF's not named Lee for a serviceable big man, is what we should do.

Btw - due to my computer being so terrible, I won't be able to post as much as I usually do for a long time. I also won't be able to go on AIM either.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">About the Frye/Bogut thing from Isiah - it was simply getting Frye confidence as Shape said. I think if Isiah was in the position in which he could choose #1, he would grab Bogut. He knows better.</div>
Isiah needs to lay off the lying though, he would be worse than Tribute could describe if he were to pick Frye with a #1 overall pick.

Isiah always seems to be trying to find a great trade that will send NY to the playoffs, however it seems every time he has gotten approximately the same value he has sent, except the team chemistry gets shattered.

I hope you guys keep Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford, Nate, and Frye. Hopefully they can build some chemistry together eventually. I don't think that a Kwame sign and trade for Sweetney would be wise, Kwame doesn't seem like a hard-worker and could taint other players on NY, except for JYD, he is the anti-Kwame!

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah needs to lay off the lying though, he would be worse than Tribute could describe if he were to pick Frye with a #1 overall pick.</div>
He would be lynched by angry New Yorkers if he chose Frye with the #1 pick. Don't think of it as "lying" think of it as building confidence for our center of the future. Isiah is just letting Frye know that he has his support. Besides, how would Frye feel if Isiah said "You know what? Just so you know, Channing, if I had the #1 pick in the draft, I would have chosen Bogut over you." That wouldn't sound too nice; would it?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah always seems to be trying to find a great trade that will send NY to the playoffs, however it seems every time he has gotten approximately the same value he has sent, except the team chemistry gets shattered.</div>
Of course making the playoffs is his goal as is many GM?s in the league, however, much of what Isiah does is based on the future such as the Mohammed deal where he got two first rounders.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope you guys keep Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford, Nate, and Frye. Hopefully they can build some chemistry together eventually. I don't think that a Kwame sign and trade for Sweetney would be wise, Kwame doesn't seem like a hard-worker and could taint other players on NY, except for JYD, he is the anti-Kwame!</div>
I love Sweetney, but unfortunately, his stay in New York will be brief. Isiah is getting, faster, and more athletic and guys such as Sweetney are more halfcourt oriented. Plus the drafting of David Lee was evidence enough of Isiah trying to unload the Sweet Man.

I agree with you that we can get more for Kwame and unless we get Blatche in the deal as well, I would not accept the trade, but if it?s just Sweetney/fillers for Brown/fillers than I wouldn?t pull the trigger.

 

[og15]

Talk is cheap, like most have likely already said, we'll believe it when we see it on the court...

 

[MiamiBalla12]

We will have to wait and see on the court if he really is "soft".

 

[Mr. J]

I think it all boils down to what defines a "soft player". But as was said above, we'll have to see what happens next season or even tommorow in the summer leagues for those who live in New York.

 

[Mr.Wade]

We don't really need to wait. How can a player change his style of play from 4 years of college basketball playing the way he plays, and changing it in 2 months... can't do it son.

He's gonna play like he did in college which some peopel call "soft." We'll see when the season actually starts though.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">He would be lynched by angry New Yorkers if he chose Frye with the #1 pick. Don't think of it as "lying" think of it as building confidence for our center of the future. Isiah is just letting Frye know that he has his support. Besides, how would Frye feel if Isiah said "You know what? Just so you know, Channing, if I had the #1 pick in the draft, I would have chosen Bogut over you." That wouldn't sound too nice; would it?</div>
It would be honest, and seems like common sense.

If Frye was drafted by a no-nonsense guy like Pat Riley, I'm sure Riley would have told the truth when asked that question.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">We don't really need to wait. How can a player change his style of play from 4 years of college basketball playing the way he plays, and changing it in 2 months... can't do it son.

He's gonna play like he did in college which some peopel call "soft." We'll see when the season actually starts though.</div>
What would you consider soft?

 

[j0se]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">What would you consider soft?</div>


Basically the opposite of Oakley

 

[og15]

3 rebounds in 30+ minutes, hmmmm...I don't know if that supports his claim of not being soft.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">3 rebounds in 30+ minutes, hmmmm...I don't know if that supports his claim of not being soft.</div>
First of all, it wasn't 30+ minutes, it was 29 minutes. I don't think it supports his claim of being soft. It was his very first game and he happened to struggle. We can't judge him based on one incident. I saw highlights of that game and he was pretty aggressive in his minutes. He also got to the line 6 times yesterday.

 

[Iguodala]

Well... let"s wait and see but i don"t think he is soft thought

 

[Waneko]

If he has to tell us he's not soft...

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Prove to me you can play around the basket and be a defensive force, till now, this is all talk, since Fyre is talking alot of smack, he better step his game up quickly.</div>
Really, very true.

He was really pushed around by Jerome Beasly and Dwight Howard on the 7th, he looked pretty easily knocked around. He doesn't look like a monster, and he often avoids rough contact. He looked scared against Beasly, he made one or two nice plays. Those few nice plays were just rebounds off of angles, basically. Really, the offensive board he got late in the 4th that he kicked out to Nate was much more of a well timed leap for the ball.
Frye has yet to learn the pace of the NBA game and he isn't used to the rough play, the PAC-10 doesn't play nearly as rough.
Prove it, kid.

 

[Custodianrules2]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2">"Mark Aguirre, the Knicks' summer-league coach, has treated 6-11 Channing Frye as if he were an undrafted rookie free agent. The problem is, </font></font>Frye has looked the part of an undrafted rookie free agent. "He's soft," said one agent leaving UNLV's Cox Pavilion late Saturday night. <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2">Frye has shown promise offensively, but has struggled alarmingly on defense, getting in foul trouble in two of the Knicks' three games. Aguirre held the Knicks' prized first-round pick to just 14 minutes Saturday when he got in early foul trouble, even though in summer league you can't foul out."

</font></font>http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/49879.htm
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Channing Frye claiming he's not soft is like Rosie O' Donnell claiming that she's not fat nor that she is a lesbian.

Actually, just kidding. As long as Frye is intentionally fouling or throwing bodies rather than letting any scorer get by him, I don't consider that soft (more like foul prone or caught sleeping). As for getting taken out of the game early, I'm sure Aguirre just doesn't want his guy getting hurt too early before the season begins. The guy is the Knicks starting center after all.

The Times or the Post always does this crap where they say, "someone said this, one person said that." Doesn't seem that credible, but I can believe Frye is pretty soft and might have a hard tim getting on the ref's good side of the whistle much like Mike Dunleavy Jr.

 

[Squishface]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course Isiah is going to make the claim he would take Frye over Bogut, especially now that the draft is over. He wants to support the player he chose and boost his confidence level.

I liked how Herb Williams broke it down in his assessment of Frye. He said Frye needs to learn how to hold his position better on defense instead of relying on blocking the shot.

This article mentioned Frye is only 250, but some have reported he's 270, and the 20lbs makes a huge difference. Knick fans think Isiah is slowly trying to put together a faster, more athletic team on the floor. With Isiah's pursuit of Swift and Kwame Brown, I don't think he plans on using Frye at Center.

A proposed deal was Sweetney + fillers for Kwame Brown in a sign and trade. This would allow Frye to play the 4, and Brown at the 5, giving the Knicks a very long, athletic frontline, to go with a quick backcourt. It's a huge risk to start those two, but the Knicks have enough depth in the frontcourt to tinker around.

PG - Marbury
SG - Crawford
SF - Q Rich
PF - Frye
C - Brown

Another rumor today in Insider had the Knicks shopping Marbury, Thomas around, possibly for Dalembert, Mashburn, McKie, and Ollie. More farfetched than the Kwame-Sweetney deal, probably just a made up deal by Ford.

Still Isiah is definitely in the search for an athletic Center whether it's Swift (masquerading as one), Kwame, or Dalembert, I'm sure he has his eye on Chandler also even though there's no chance the Bulls don't bring him back.</div>

I don't know who else feels this way, but that lineup in there wins 30 games, tops. Marbury is NOT, I repeat NOT a point guard, so that leaves with turnovers, slow, bad shots, and pouting a plenty. Q Rich adds to the slow shooting nicely. Crawford has the slowest release of any serviceable shooter in the world, Dirk has a quicker release for Christ's sake. So that leaves them vulnerable to any halfway decent perimeter defense, namely 70% of the league. And that frontcourt just gets abused by any decent big men in the league. Rasho Nesterovic puts up a 20-10 on those worthless bodies.

The thing that kills me is Isiah's utter lack of willingness to admit when he's wrong. In a perfect world, we hear him say twice a day in the NY rags that he was wrong about Marbury, Crawford, running a team, any coaching he's ever done, any business deal he's ever touched, and every draft he's ever flubbed (which is all of them).

Well, I guess it doesn't make sense to admit those mistakes yet, wait 'till Marbury and Crawford's lifetime contracts are up, go into exile, then kill yourself and blame the NY media and Knicks fans. That sounds like a more doable course of action for our man Isiah.

P.S. Sorry about that tangent, Isiah tends to get me a little upset. Hopefully I made my point before I started rambling.

 

[Squishface]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Basically the opposite of Oakley

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Now there's a man that knows what he's talking about.

But don't leave out our man Barkley 6'4", and the heart of a lion. A regular rebounding machine.

I guess that's what made them so great, that they waged their battles on land, not in the air. And regularly won them, that takes a great deal of effort and vigor. Especially when you're 67 and playing the Bulls (Oak) or 410 lbs. and playing for a Rockets team whose average age was about 45 (Barkley).

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know who else feels this way, but that lineup in there wins 30 games, tops.</div>
I think you?re the only one who feels this way, Ignignot. The Knicks despite having a plethora of injuries last season won 33 games and their roster that they have currently is better than their previous one last season.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury is NOT, I repeat NOT a point guard, so that leaves with turnovers, slow, bad shots, and pouting a plenty.</div>
He?s a shoot-first point guard and to that, I say so? A vast majority of the NBA?s point guards are shoot-first and Marbury being yet another one doesn?t mean he is less of a player. Regardless of his style of play, he?s always found a way throughout his career to rack up 8 assists per game. You also mentioned him taking ?bad shots?. This season, Marbury hasn?t taken many bad shots and his FG% has skyrocketed. He shot at a career high 46% which is excellent for a guard and also a career high 35% from downtown. This season, he?s also had a career low of 2.8 turnovers a game too. Marbury has also looked for his teammates much more this season and probably the most throughout his entire career and now that he has more help offensively, you can look for him to pass much more this season. The only negative about him is his lackluster defense, really; that?s it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Q Rich adds to the slow shooting nicely. Crawford has the slowest release of any serviceable shooter in the world, Dirk has a quicker release for Christ's sake. So that leaves them vulnerable to any halfway decent perimeter defense, namely 70% of the league.</div>
I don?t know what to say about this comment. I haven?t noticed their shooting mechanics being as slow as you say they are. The fact of the matter is regardless of their ?slow shooting?, I?m sure they aren?t known for consistently getting blocked. Both of them are good shooters when taking good shots and hopefully with Marbury penetrating, it should increase their shot selection.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And that frontcourt just gets abused by any decent big men in the league. Rasho Nesterovic puts up a 20-10 on those worthless bodies.</div>
Well, the offseason is not over yet and if the Knicks sign Swift, James, or Hunter, it will be much less than what you?re saying. In addition, you don?t know how Lee or Frye will turn out not to mention our veterans like Malik Rose and Jerome Williams who can cause havoc to a team with their energy and hustle.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The thing that kills me is Isiah's utter lack of willingness to admit when he's wrong. In a perfect world, we hear him say twice a day in the NY rags that he was wrong about Marbury, Crawford, running a team, any coaching he's ever done, any business deal he's ever touched, and every draft he's ever flubbed (which is all of them).</div>
You?re mistaken on this. Isiah?s original intentions were for Crawford to play as a 6th man for the team, however, when Allan Houston got injured again, Crawford was the best available to fill in that void at shooting guard. He?s flubbed every draft? What about the 1995 one where he drafted the Rookie of the Year, Damon Stoudamire or the 1997 one where he drafted the superstar Tracy McGrady, or the 2004 one where he drafted Trevor Ariza with the 43rd pick. I do agree with you in Isiah might not be the best GM around, but give credit where credit is due.