Fuck the Nosy Racist Neighbour

[Денг Гордон]

Unnecessary, IMO. The dude's a well-respected scholar in an affluent neighbourhood: what's the worst he's gonna do when angry? Eventually he stops yelling and both sides realize its a misunderstanding.

Challenge the cop to pistols at dawn?

 

[Denny Crane]

Unnecessary, IMO. The dude's a well-respected scholar in an affluent neighbourhood: what's the worst he's gonna do when angry? Eventually he stops yelling and both sides realize its a misunderstanding.

It doesn't look like the cop recognized him or knew who he is.

If this had happened in Chicago to some young black man, the man would have been beaten with a hose and burned on a radiator.

I'm quite sensitive to civil rights issues. I just don't see it here. If the event leads to Gates making a documentary on racial profiling, then a lot of good has come from it.

 

[deception]

It doesn't look like the cop recognized him or knew who he is.

If this had happened in Chicago to some young black man, the man would have been beaten with a hose and burned on a radiator.

I'm quite sensitive to civil rights issues. I just don't see it here. If the event leads to Gates making a documentary on racial profiling, then a lot of good has come from it.

do u expect to be taken seriously. how could u say that ur sensitive to civil rights issues yet a 58 year old black man who walks with an assistance of a cane is arrested in his own home even after he presented ID. dont u think its a civil rights issue?

 

[Денг Гордон]

do u expect to be taken seriously. how could u say that ur sensitive to civil rights issues yet a 58 year old black man who walks with an assistance of a cane is arrested in his own home even after he presented ID. dont u think its a civil rights issue?

This isn't a race issue. It's a cop issue. Anyone whose dealt with cops knows that if a cop is coming out somewhere, someone is probably getting arrested.

 

[Denny Crane]

do u expect to be taken seriously. how could u say that ur sensitive to civil rights issues yet a 58 year old black man who walks with an assistance of a cane is arrested in his own home even after he presented ID. dont u think its a civil rights issue?

I don't jump to conclusions based upon the races of the people involved.

It's a he said/he said story. As a juror in the court of public opinion, I can only try my best to make sense of things as they've been presented after the fact, and in the public record. The cop is a trained observer and recorder of events, in his favor. Gates is a highly respected and most impressive man.

The facts are:
1) Gates was breaking into his home
2) It's understandable that a neighbor would call the cops, it's a neighborly thing to do
3) Cop shows up, a heated exchange occurs (and it seems one-sided, frankly)
4) The race card is blatantly played
5) The cop arrested Gates for disorderly conduct, a minor charge
6) Charges against Gates dropped, apology offered.

From all this, my sense is Gates resented the hassle or lack of recognition and played the race card, got all hot and bothered, and the cop made a judgment call to give Gates his money's worth. I suspect that if Gates had been respectful and not played the race card, the cop would have ended up leaving in rather short order.

There's been nothing presented anywhere that says the cop is a racist, used racial language, insulted Gates in some deliberate way, etc.

 

[Chutney]

chutney- if trailblazers in the civil rights movement didnt protest as loudly as they do- your ppl (i.e. sikhs) would still be relegated to working on the railways and living in segregated communities.

the thing i was thinking about is that a rank and file black ppl without prof gates stature would still be in prison if they encountered the same scenario and thats the real tragedy. and what gates was undoubtedly alluding to is that stature doesnt insulate minority groups from being arbitrarily targeted.

I guess I can understand what he was trying to do. I just don't agree with how he did it. For someone as intelligent and educated as himself, it came off too much like the pandering antics of Jackson/Sharpton.

 

[DaRizzle]

I don't jump to conclusions based upon the races of the people involved.

It's a he said/he said story. As a juror in the court of public opinion, I can only try my best to make sense of things as they've been presented after the fact, and in the public record. The cop is a trained observer and recorder of events, in his favor. Gates is a highly respected and most impressive man.

The facts are:
1) Gates was breaking into his home
2) It's understandable that a neighbor would call the cops, it's a neighborly thing to do
3) Cop shows up, a heated exchange occurs (and it seems one-sided, frankly)
4) The race card is blatantly played
5) The cop arrested Gates for disorderly conduct, a minor charge
6) Charges against Gates dropped, apology offered.

From all this, my sense is Gates resented the hassle or lack of recognition and played the race card, got all hot and bothered, and the cop made a judgment call to give Gates his money's worth. I suspect that if Gates had been respectful and not played the race card, the cop would have ended up leaving in rather short order.

There's been nothing presented anywhere that says the cop is a racist, used racial language, insulted Gates in some deliberate way, etc.

 

[deception]

I don't jump to conclusions based upon the races of the people involved.

It's a he said/he said story. As a juror in the court of public opinion, I can only try my best to make sense of things as they've been presented after the fact, and in the public record. The cop is a trained observer and recorder of events, in his favor. Gates is a highly respected and most impressive man.

The facts are:
1) Gates was breaking into his home
2) It's understandable that a neighbor would call the cops, it's a neighborly thing to do
3) Cop shows up, a heated exchange occurs (and it seems one-sided, frankly)
4) The race card is blatantly played
5) The cop arrested Gates for disorderly conduct, a minor charge
6) Charges against Gates dropped, apology offered.

From all this, my sense is Gates resented the hassle or lack of recognition and played the race card, got all hot and bothered, and the cop made a judgment call to give Gates his money's worth. I suspect that if Gates had been respectful and not played the race card, the cop would have ended up leaving in rather short order.

There's been nothing presented anywhere that says the cop is a racist, used racial language, insulted Gates in some deliberate way, etc.

u dont see race? no fucking way because it permeates our societies. in our white settler societies of america, canada and australia- the original settlers extrimenated the natives by disease and massacre (95% in the america's within the first 100 years), then in the southern united states and lower canada- we forcibly removed africans from their native lands and disemboweled them of their language and religion, then forcibly conscripted them into a life of slavery. u guys later fought a war over it. moreover, americans lived in a segregated america within the last 40 years and blacks were reduced to second class citizens under jim crow. now disparities around employment equity; police brutality and access to education as well as health care are the 21st premutations of racism. we cant escape race, its an inevitable reality for every coloured person in these white settler societies who set up shop to enshrine their own superiority.

the most important point u made were that charges were dropped and apology given. to reiterate- obdurate police depts dont do that unless there was gross misconduct. so the logical deduction would be that the officer transgressed.

 

[DennisRodman]

u dont see race? no fucking way because it permeates our societies. in our white settler societies of america, canada and australia- the original settlers extrimenated the natives by disease and massacre (95% in the america's within the first 100 years), then in the southern united states and lower canada- we forcibly removed africans from their native lands and disemboweled them of their language and religion, then forcibly conscripted them into a life of slavery. u guys later fought a war over it. moreover, americans lived in a segregated america within the last 40 years and blacks were reduced to second class citizens under jim crow. now disparities around employment equity; police brutality and access to education as well as health care are the 21st premutations of racism. we cant escape race, its an inevitable reality for every coloured person in these white settler societies who set up shop to enshrine their own superiority.

the most important point u made were that charges were dropped and apology given. to reiterate- obdurate police depts dont do that unless there was gross misconduct. so the logical deduction would be that the officer transgressed.

There is messed up shit going on everywhere. Country enslaving countries, Nazi's killing Jews, Sunni's killing Shi'ites, Palestinians and Jews going at each other, untouchable castes, Dictator governments like Pol Pot having mass murders, Dictatorships in African countries, and witch hunts.

If you want to look at any countries history, I bet it has its share of retarded garbage that has gone on.

 

[deception]

i was watching cnn and they said that the police officer requested prof gates to come outside so that he could arrest him for disorderly conduct because u cant arrest someone for disorderly conduct inside your own home. absolutely disgusting!!! shame!!!

 

[¹²³]

Black scholar arrest angers Obama

Mr Obama said: "I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry.

"Number two... the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home."

Mr Obama said federal officials should work with local police to "improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias".

He said that when he was in the Illinois state legislature, he had worked towards a racial profiling bill because there was indisputable evidence that African-Americans and Hispanics were being stopped disproportionately.

"And that is a sign, an example of how race remains a factor in the society," he said.

 

[Денг Гордон]

i was watching cnn and they said that the police officer requested prof gates to come outside so that he could arrest him for disorderly conduct because u cant arrest someone for disorderly conduct inside your own home. absolutely disgusting!!! shame!!!

BS. I've seen plenty of people be arrested for disorderly conduct in their own home.

What a shock, cops not following procedures, and then having their actions protected in court.

 

[Denny Crane]

u dont see race? no fucking way because it permeates our societies. in our white settler societies of america, canada and australia- the original settlers extrimenated the natives by disease and massacre (95% in the america's within the first 100 years), then in the southern united states and lower canada- we forcibly removed africans from their native lands and disemboweled them of their language and religion, then forcibly conscripted them into a life of slavery. u guys later fought a war over it. moreover, americans lived in a segregated america within the last 40 years and blacks were reduced to second class citizens under jim crow. now disparities around employment equity; police brutality and access to education as well as health care are the 21st premutations of racism. we cant escape race, its an inevitable reality for every coloured person in these white settler societies who set up shop to enshrine their own superiority.

the most important point u made were that charges were dropped and apology given. to reiterate- obdurate police depts dont do that unless there was gross misconduct. so the logical deduction would be that the officer transgressed.

I got a traffic ticket I thought was unjustified. I went to court and fought it. When the case was over, the judge dismissed it and both he and the cop apologized. It happens.

And no, I don't see race except the playing of the race card.

Here in San Diego, the cops arrest people on their patios if they're drinking underage.

 

[¹²³]

Did Obama Go Too Far With Race Remark?

 

[44Thrilla]

Cambridge police Sgt. James Crowley, the cop at the center of a firestorm over the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., has taught a racial profiling class at the Lowell Police Academy for five years.

His academy class, which he teaches with a black police officer, instructs about 60 police cadets per year who spend 12 hours in the classroom, said Lowell Police Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

“He’s a very professional police officer and he’s a good role model,” Fleming said. “Former police commissioner Ronny Watson, who is a person of color, hand-picked Sgt. Crowley. ... I presume because he would be the most qualified and most professional. He’s a very good instructor. He gets very high reviews by the students.”

Watson, who is black, is the former Cambridge police commissioner.

Fleming said the course meets four times, for three hours a session. The students go through written material, then watch videos that portray scenarios a police officer may encounter. The videos are then discussed in class.

“He’ll have the students talk about how the different situations should be handled,” Fleming said. “I think he does a great job.”

Lawrence Hickman, a black Boston police officer who also teaches at the academy, said he’s worked alongside Crowley for years now and has nothing but the highest respect for him.

“He’s well versed in the subject matter he taught,” Hickman said. “He is the right instructor for the subject material ... I’m an African-American police officer, If there were any issues or if I thought he was biased, I would have addressed that. We all do the same job and we all know how things get spun out. The bottom line is he was there answering a call for help, he responded as a professional police officer.”

Fleming said Crowley gets no extra money for teaching the class, which requires him to drive from Cambridge to Middlesex Community College in Lowell. He said the academy is well respected and it is used by cops from 53 communities across the state, including Lowell, Cambridge and other cities and towns.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/re...ofiling_class_at_academy/srvc=home&position=0

 

[Shapecity]

Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert

Crowley was the officer who gave CPR to Reggie Lewis.

Fellow officers, black and white, say Crowley is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout.

 

[DaRizzle]

Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.

Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.

Crowley, 42, has maintained he did nothing wrong and has refused to apologize, as Gates has demanded.

Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.

So this cop had no training with "how to deal with people" right deception? Nevermind he was hand picked by a black man to teach a class on how to deal with people!

Gates also refused to show ID at first....

keep twisting that story deception....

 

[Shapecity]

What I don't understand is the original neighbor calling and saying there were two young black males breaking into a house. What happened to the other guy?

 

[DaRizzle]

This Crowley sure is a racist...teaching a class on how to avoid racial profiling, trying to save a black mans life with cpr, his black superior saying he has the highest respect for him and that he is a role model...lock this racist up and throw away the key!

 

[44Thrilla]

So this cop had no training with "how to deal with people" right deception? Nevermind he was hand picked by a black man to teach a class on how to deal with people!

Gates also refused to show ID at first....

keep twisting that story deception....

It's funny. Ever since the incident, the media here has been digging for dirt on the officer and all they can find is more and more evidence of how great of a person and police officer he has been throughout his life. I think Gates picked the wrong person to victimize in order to push his agenda. I'm really disappointed in Obama for speaking out in support of this guy's pathetic tactics.

 

[DaRizzle]

What I don't understand is the original neighbor calling and saying there were two young black males breaking into a house. What happened to the other guy?

he must know you shouldnt be a dumbass when talking with cops...like i said, treat them with respect and they will do the same 99.9% of the time

 

[DaRizzle]

he wont profit of this, its just a teaching point to underscore the tremendous disparities that exist in these white settler societies like america, canada and australia.

lol...sure dude, whatever you say

 

[deception]

I got a traffic ticket I thought was unjustified. I went to court and fought it. When the case was over, the judge dismissed it and both he and the cop apologized. It happens.

And no, I don't see race except the playing of the race card.

Here in San Diego, the cops arrest people on their patios if they're drinking underage.

unless u achieved some sort of transcendence, akin to the buddha; i highly doubt u see beyond race. i was reading niall ferguson "war of the worlds" recently- ferguson himself is a scholar of some not but has come under fire by indian scholars for being an apologist for colonialism. nevertheless, ferguson opines in his book that "race" was the demarcating line in the twentieth century and the linchpin behind the wars that would ultimately receive world engagement. he of course targets nazi germany and the japanese as the main culprits but he also manages to interweave the rest of the world in his discussion. something fascinating about the book is that he introduced a scientific study which reveals that ppl were more than likely to be sympathetic or favour ppl of their own race. its kind of lagging flaw of our hunter gather, tribe like identity which still remains. so in other words- to suggest u have move beyond race is to suggest u have move beyond biology.

ur traffic incident is not analogous to prof gates arrest for the simple fact that arresting someone is the dispossession of ones liberty. a traffic ticket is just annoying and thats why most ppl choose not to waste a day at court in fighting it.

 

[deception]

What I don't understand is the original neighbor calling and saying there were two young black males breaking into a house. What happened to the other guy?

the other guy was a north african cab driver who helped prof gates, who happens to be 58 and walks with the aid of a cane.

 

[deception]

It's funny. Ever since the incident, the media here has been digging for dirt on the officer and all they can find is more and more evidence of how great of a person and police officer he has been throughout his life. I think Gates picked the wrong person to victimize in order to push his agenda. I'm really disappointed in Obama for speaking out in support of this guy's pathetic tactics.

cops are nothing. the guy taught a course on racial profiling yet he exhibited it in his conduct. the dude is a joke and anathema to american notions of liberty and justice. lets get the facts straight- mr gates presented his ID to prove he was a resident of the home and im sure sgt crowley saw the pictures on the wall- yet sgt crowley took this 58 old man outside who walks with the aid of cane, called for backup and arrested him for disorderly conduct because he got his feelings hurt. then the charges were subsequently dropped and the police dept publicly apologized. sgt crowley is no hero, just a bully who masquerades behind a badge. if i was black or an enlightened white taxpayer in the neighbourhood, i would go to his station and demand my tax dollars back.

and obama made a courageous stand to take on the populist notion that cops dont do no wrong. btw, u should thank prof gates for not drumming up a race riot against this shit and pacifying the population by telling his story with dignity and eloquently as hes done. prof gates is an american hero and one of the reasons why as a canadian i respect your country in spite the scum like sgt crowley.

 

[44Thrilla]

cops are nothing. the guy taught a course on racial profiling yet he exhibited it in his conduct. the dude is a joke and anathema to american notions of liberty and justice. lets get the facts straight- mr gates presented his ID to prove he was a resident of the home and im sure sgt crowley saw the pictures on the wall- yet sgt crowley took this 58 old man outside who walks with the aid of cane, called for backup and arrested him for disorderly conduct because he got his feelings hurt. then the charges were subsequently dropped and the police dept publicly apologized. sgt crowley is no hero, just a bully who masquerades behind a badge. if i was black or an enlightened white taxpayer in the neighbourhood, i would go to his station and demand my tax dollars back.

and obama made a courageous stand to take on the populist notion that cops dont do no wrong. btw, u should thank prof gates for not drumming up a race riot against this shit and pacifying the population by telling his story with dignity and eloquently as hes done. prof gates is an american hero and one of the reasons why as a canadian i respect your country in spite the scum like sgt crowley.

I don't think you know what a "fact" is.

 

[44Thrilla]

"All cops are racist scumbags"

"All black people are criminals"

What is the difference?

 

[Shapecity]

the other guy was a north african cab driver who helped prof gates, who happens to be 58 and walks with the aid of a cane.

Good thing he wasn't charged with carrying a deadly weapon.

 

[Denny Crane]

unless u achieved some sort of transcendence, akin to the buddha; i highly doubt u see beyond race. i was reading niall ferguson "war of the worlds" recently- ferguson himself is a scholar of some not but has come under fire by indian scholars for being an apologist for colonialism. nevertheless, ferguson opines in his book that "race" was the demarcating line in the twentieth century and the linchpin behind the wars that would ultimately receive world engagement. he of course targets nazi germany and the japanese as the main culprits but he also manages to interweave the rest of the world in his discussion. something fascinating about the book is that he introduced a scientific study which reveals that ppl were more than likely to be sympathetic or favour ppl of their own race. its kind of lagging flaw of our hunter gather, tribe like identity which still remains. so in other words- to suggest u have move beyond race is to suggest u have move beyond biology.

ur traffic incident is not analogous to prof gates arrest for the simple fact that arresting someone is the dispossession of ones liberty. a traffic ticket is just annoying and thats why most ppl choose not to waste a day at court in fighting it.

I don't find it surprising that people are more sympathetic to people of their own race. I see more black people married to black people than to white people, same for indians, asians, whatever.

Regardless, there's a very big difference between something being racial and something being racist.

Racial is a fact of life, black people have black skin and white people have white skin - it's a racial trait. It's quite obvious that in every way, both white and black people are just that - people. DNA proves it, my life experience proves it. Heck, I love and watch basketball, where the stars are mostly black fellows, and they're rich and college educated. I've known about Gates and seen him lecture and speak numerous times, and he's brilliant.

Racist is idiocy and denial of those facts I mentioned. It's not about favoring one race over another. It's about thinking one race is superior. The superiority thing is the key element of racism. It's why slaves were considered beasts of burden and not human beings (by too many).

As the facts in the public record come out, the cop is becoming more and more impeachable and my sense/version of what went on is looking quite accurate.

 

[deception]

As the facts in the public record come out, the cop is becoming more and more impeachable and my sense/version of what went on is looking quite accurate.

what u trying to get at?