FYI: Jason Quick on BFT

[julius]

IF LeBron chooses Chicago, what are Cleveland's options?
1) Let him walk
2) Facilitate a S&T

If LeBron chooses Portland, we should trade Joel and Andre Miller...what else are they going to do?

Ask for Rose? Pff..you fucking nuts.

They'd do #2 if they want to see LeBron get the MAX $$$ contract possible, which isn't unheard of. Bulls traded Pippen in such a deal, to Houston for basically nothing.

Pippen wasn't in his prime at the time, nor was he arguably in the top 3 or 4 of players in the NBA.

If Chicago is the place LeBron wants to go, the Cavs would start bargaining with Derrick Rose first and foremost. Then they'd take on Deng too. And after that, they'd pretty much try their best to get a 3 way trade with another team because that'd be a shit-can trade.

 

[illmatic99]

1) Let him walk
2) Facilitate a S&T

They'd do #2 if they want to see LeBron get the MAX $$$ contract possible, which isn't unheard of. Bulls traded Pippen in such a deal, to Houston for basically nothing. And/Or if they want something in return, like a 24 year old SF who'll start for them for the next 6-10 years.

If I were running CLE, and these were my options, I'd let him walk. If I know my team will suck for the near future, I will not bind myself to Deng's horrible contract for a mediocre/marginal upgrade of talent. Also, if #2 was in contention, I'd open up the phones to hear more offers, most of which can potentially trump the one you proposed.

Also, trading Pippen way past his prime =! trading LBJ in the middle of his.

 

[Draco]

Why? Is there any stipulation of us doing anything before then?
And considering Joel's situation, would any team acquiring him have any reservations of him actually opting out?

The NBA collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow trades of any players before July 1st if said player has the option to become a free agent.

 

[illmatic99]

Didn't know that. Thanks.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Draco, you agree that they can agree to a deal in principle right?

 

[Denny Crane]

If LeBron chooses Portland, we should trade Joel and Andre Miller...what else are they going to do?

Ask for Rose? Pff..you fucking nuts.



Pippen wasn't in his prime at the time, nor was he arguably in the top 3 or 4 of players in the NBA.

If Chicago is the place LeBron wants to go, the Cavs would start bargaining with Derrick Rose first and foremost. Then they'd take on Deng too. And after that, they'd pretty much try their best to get a 3 way trade with another team because that'd be a shit-can trade.

If I were running CLE, and these were my options, I'd let him walk. If I know my team will suck for the near future, I will not bind myself to Deng's horrible contract for a mediocre/marginal upgrade of talent. Also, if #2 was in contention, I'd open up the phones to hear more offers, most of which can potentially trump the one you proposed.

Also, trading Pippen way past his prime =! trading LBJ in the middle of his.

What on earth makes you think Cleveland has any leverage at all? LeBron can just sign with the Bulls for the MAX they can offer. Cleveland only has the choice of accepting what the Bulls offer, and they can't demand Rose or anyone else. Sheesh.

 

[Denny Crane]

The NBA collective bargaining agreement doesn't allow trades of any players before July 1st if said player has the option to become a free agent.

I don't think that's entirely right. If Joel opts in before July 1st, he no longer has that option, so he can be traded.

 

[Draco]

What on earth makes you think Cleveland has any leverage at all? LeBron can just sign with the Bulls for the MAX they can offer. Cleveland only has the choice of accepting what the Bulls offer, and they can't demand Rose or anyone else. Sheesh.

Well heck, Cleveland will be lucky to just get a second round pick!

 

[julius]

What on earth makes you think Cleveland has any leverage at all? LeBron can just sign with the Bulls for the MAX they can offer. Cleveland only has the choice of accepting what the Bulls offer, and they can't demand Rose or anyone else. Sheesh.

When was the last time a superstar FA didn't help orchestrate a S&T with his old team to his new team?

That's a LOT of cheddar to leave off the table, if he doesn't do a S&T.

 

[noknobs]

What on earth makes you think Cleveland has any leverage at all? LeBron can just sign with the Bulls for the MAX they can offer. Cleveland only has the choice of accepting what the Bulls offer, and they can't demand Rose or anyone else. Sheesh.

I was under the impression (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) that the max Chicago can offer Lebron is less than the amount Lebron could get with a sign and trade with Cleveland. So why would Lebron choose less?

 

[Denny Crane]

Well heck, Cleveland will be lucky to just get a second round pick!

Exactly.

BTW

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

50. What are option clauses? What kind of option clauses are there?

The window for all other options can close no later than June 30 of the year the option takes effect (an earlier date may be specified as a matter of individual negotiation).

 

[maxiep]

The fact that Quick knows about it means the trade is dead.

 

[Denny Crane]

I was under the impression (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong) that the max Chicago can offer Lebron is less than the amount Lebron could get with a sign and trade with Cleveland. So why would Lebron choose less?

Not as big as you think. The Bulls can offer 5 years with 8% raises (8% of the FIRST YEAR!). The Cavs can offer 6 years with 10.5% raises (10.5% of the first year!).

But if the Bulls resign him to a 6th year at an 8% raise, the difference is about $6.1M. In that 6th year, if the MAX salary for an 11 year veteran is more than $22.7M, the difference is less.

 

[Denny Crane]

When was the last time a superstar FA didn't help orchestrate a S&T with his old team to his new team?

That's a LOT of cheddar to leave off the table, if he doesn't do a S&T.

Off the top of my head, the answer to your question would be Rashard Lewis.

 

[julius]

Off the top of my head, the answer to your question would be Rashard Lewis.

I said superstar FA, not a jabronie.

 

[BrianFromWA]

JPEC can't be traded before July 1

well, he could, but he'd have to do that "come in and sign your ETO away" thing that Etan Thomas did last year.

 

[ehizzy3]

jeff pendergraph has an expiring contract?

 

[Denny Crane]

I said superstar FA, not a jabronie.

Off the top of my head, Arenas from GSW to WAS

 

[julius]

Off the top of my head, Arenas from GSW to WAS

I can't tell if you're joking or not, but when Gilbert Arenas left the Warriors, he was not a superstar, nor a star. He was a 2nd year player averaging 18 ppg.

 

[RR7]

Off the top of my head, the answer to your question would be Rashard Lewis.

Lewis was a S&T.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva and Ron Artest.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I love and hate this time of year! If info is getting leaked, I'm sure the deal is dead. I'm trying to remember when he last time a rumor came true.

You mean like Camby?

 

[Draco]

Off the top of my head, Arenas from GSW to WAS

Arenas was a restriced free agent that GSW couldn't match, which has now led to the Gilbert Arenas rules in the CBA.

 

[RR7]

Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva and Ron Artest.

And Lebron James. One of these 4 names is unlike the other. Can you guess which one? The real question should be the last time a player getting max money took the 5 year deal instead of the 6 available via S&T. Not schmoes like Villanueva. Gimme a break.

 

[julius]

Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva and Ron Artest.

It was funny the first time, now it's just stupid.

 

[Eastoff]

jeff pendergraph has an expiring contract?

joel pryzbilla

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Don't they do the draft differently now and not announce trades during the actual draft with David Stern coming out to deliver the big news? If so, this is going to be a tough draft to sit through with all of these rumors starting to swirl.

I guess we'll see in three days. Get us D. Will, KP.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Don't they do the draft differently now and not announce trades during the actual draft with David Stern coming out to deliver the big news? If so, this is going to be a tough draft to sit through with all of these rumors starting to swirl.

I guess we'll see in three days. Get us D. Will, KP.

They'll announce trades if it involves picks as long as the deals don't have to be delayed until after July 1st (like the Bayless, Jack trade).

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Since we're throwing names around, would Steph Curry count as "ground breaking"? Whether or not he would be, I'd be elated if we pried him away from GS... wishful thinking, I know.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Iggy is not earth shaking

Granger is great but not earth shaking

No second year player, even though I started the Steph Curry to Portland bandwagon last summer, is not earth shaking

It's obviously Chris Paul.