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[MickZagger]

That's not where the discussion started on Lance Stephenson.

That was me merely pointing out what he was doing against the Suns tonight.

So, whats your point? That Stephenson might be better by a kunt hair?

No, your point is to try and diminish Batum as a player and prop up Stephenson as some great.

 

[RoyToy]

Wild conclusions about playing a significantly easier schedule affecting overall stats? Seems like a pretty logical conclusion to me.

The point is, and has been, that the difference between the two is very small. Not as big as you're trying to make it out to be. That seemed pretty clear to me.

The differences are pretty clear to me.

You called them identical players. I provided statistical evidence that shows they're not identical players and all, with Lance Stephenson being much better at creating his own offense and scoring in the paint.

 

[RoyToy]

So, whats your point? That Stephenson might be better by a kunt hair?

No, your point is to try and diminish Batum as a player and prop up Stephenson as some great.

You obviously haven't read the whole thread if that is what you think, so it looks like you can blame yourself for your confusion.

 

[Hobbesarable]

The thread needs to be renamed: Stephenson vs. Batum.

Perhaps create a celebrity death match and see which one wins!

 

[MickZagger]

The differences are pretty clear to me.

You called them identical players. I provided statistical evidence that shows they're not identical players and all, with Lance Stephenson being much better at creating his own offense and scoring in the paint.

Batum is a better facilitator and a more versatile defender and isn't a headcase.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm proving statistical evidence and facts about why they're not identical players.

Sorry for this unthinkable travesty.

LOL because I said they're completely 100% identical players? No. I said they play almost identically, meaning not completely identical but very close. If you're literally talking about them being carbon copies, then no, they're not 100% identical. You listed jumpers versus layups, great, how about them having very similar assist percentages, very similar rebound percentages, very similar steal percentages, their rebounding averages are very close, their assist averages are very close, and Stephenson is averaging only 2 PPG more on nearly 3 shots more per game. You're right though, they're not identical twins.

 

[MickZagger]

You obviously haven't read the whole thread if that is what you think, so it looks like you can blame yourself for your confusion.

Silly retort.

From an outsiders perspective, from someone who doesn't have an agenda towards Batum you could look at their stats and its a wash. That's considering one guy plays in conference A, the other plays in the B league.

Que up the well I actually watch the games and don't look up stats argument that you like to use.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's not where the discussion started on Lance Stephenson.

That was me merely pointing out what he was doing against the Suns tonight.

You're right, the discussion started with you talking about how Stephenson is "clearly" and "much" better than Batum on offense.

 

[RoyToy]

Batum is a better facilitator and a more versatile defender and isn't a headcase.

Any evidence to support your claims?

 

[RoyToy]

You're right, the discussion started with you talking about how Stephenson is "clearly" and "much" better than Batum on offense.

I said he has more natural talent on offense (he does)

 

[Natebishop3]

Any evidence to support your claims?

He averages more assists

 

[RoyToy]

LOL because I said they're completely 100% identical players? No. I said they play almost identically, meaning not completely identical but very close. If you're literally talking about them being carbon copies, then no, they're not 100% identical. You listed jumpers versus layups, great, how about them having very similar assist percentages, very similar rebound percentages, very similar steal percentages, their rebounding averages are very close, their assist averages are very close, and Stephenson is averaging only 2 PPG more on nearly 3 shots more per game. You're right though, they're not identical twins.

But they don't play "almost identically". That's my point.

There are clear differences in their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[RoyToy]

He averages more assists

Stephenson has a higher ast%

 

[Natebishop3]

I said he has more natural talent on offense (he does)

Really?

Lance is certainly more talented than both.

Lance is a much more talented offensive player than Batum

I'll stand by Stephenson being more talented 10 times out of 10.

I'll stand by Stephenson having more natural ability that Nic 10x out of 10.

You also never actually defined how he was certainly much more naturally talented on all of every thing that is offense.

 

[MickZagger]

Any evidence to support your claims?

Batum is our best playmaker, leads our team in assists, guards anyone on the floor and doesn't push his girlfriend down flights of stairs.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Batum is our best playmaker, leads our team in assists, guards anyone on the floor and doesn't push his girlfriend down flights of stairs.

But he did go with the family jewels haymaker in the Olympics!

 

[Natebishop3]

But they don't play "almost identically". That's my point.

There are clear differences in their strengths and weaknesses.

So one shoots more jumpers and one drives more.... you realize that our offense is built around shooting jumpers? How much of those numbers you linked have to do with the offense we run? LA is also shooting more jumpers in Stotts' offense.

I just find it funny that they have very similar numbers in points, assists, rebounds, and steals, but they're clearly different players because one shoots more jumpers and the other gets to the rim.

 

[RoyToy]

Really?









You also never actually defined how he was certainly much more naturally talented on all of every thing that is offense.

How many times did I use the word talent in there?

Seriously. I don't see how those quotes prove anything.

What do you think talent means when it comes to evaluating players?

 

[MickZagger]

I'm also not the one arguing that Stephenson is some significant upgrade to Batum.

Batum's stats would look a lot nicer if he played in the B league. I haven't seen you refute that. Its a valid argument. Don't push it along the wayside.

 

[RoyToy]

Batum is our best playmaker, leads our team in assists, guards anyone on the floor and doesn't push his girlfriend down flights of stairs.

Your evidence just hit me liek a ton of bricks. I'm out for the count.

 

[Natebishop3]

Stephenson has a higher ast%

On more than 3% higher usage percentage. He has the ball in his hands more.

 

[RoyToy]

I'm also not the one arguing that Stephenson is some significant upgrade to Batum.

Batum's stats would look a lot nicer if he played in the B league. I haven't seen you refute that. Its a valid argument. Don't push it along the wayside.

No one has said Stephenson would be a significant upgrade over Batum. Again, you have confused yourself in this thread.

And yes, your argument about conferences is weak.

 

[MickZagger]

No one has said Stephenson would be a significant upgrade over Batum. Again, you have confused yourself in this thread.

And yes, your argument about conferences is weak.

Whats your original point?

 

[RoyToy]

On more than 3% higher usage percentage. He has the ball in his hands more.

That's because he's more TALENTED with the ball in his hands than Batum

Gosh....

 

[Natebishop3]

How many times did I use the word talent in there?

Seriously. I don't see how those quotes prove anything.

What do you think talent means when it comes to evaluating players?

Because you're setting a brightline that you can't possibly support with facts.

You're saying he's certainly much more talented than Batum, but the stats don't back that up. I don't know man. I just think you're being a hypocrite. You don't like Nic, but you love Lance despite them being good at many of the same things.

 

[KingSpeed]

Stephenson has 4 triple doubles now.

 

[MickZagger]

That's because he's more TALENTED with the ball in his hands than Batum

Gosh....

More talented 10 times out of 10?

 

[Natebishop3]

No one has said Stephenson would be a significant upgrade over Batum. Again, you have confused yourself in this thread.

And yes, your argument about conferences is weak.

Isn't that exactly what you're saying when you say one is much more talented than the other?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Usage just means he shoots more, not that he was involved in the play in general. It measures plays that end with that player taking a shot as a percentage of the number of shots take while he's in.

 

[RoyToy]

Whats your original point?

That Lance Stephenson is a more talented player than Batum on offense. More natural ability.

He can handle the ball, create his own shot and get to the rim + create for others. He can do it on a much more consistent basis than Batum (and Kawhi Leonard)