Game Thread GAME# 11: BLAZERS @ HORNETS - NOVEMBER 15, 2015 - SUNDAY, 2:00 PM (PST), CSNNW

[SlyPokerDog]

LOL, his game thread got converted to a debate on 9/11. I think this is a first!

I've been a long time skeptic myself. A lot of things don't really add up. They find the terrorists passports on the ground? But don't find the black boxes? Give me a break.

Look at the way WTC 7 collapsed that wasn't even hit by a plane. You can debate if the towers would have collapsed like that till the cows come home, I don't even think that makes sense. We've had plenty of steel framed sky scrapers catch fire (including one of the towers), and nothing like that ever happened.

This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Thank you very much for this statement, Mr. Nigro. The work you and your colleagues did will never be forgotten.

Release date: September 23, 2007

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:
1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

https://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Lame.

I agree.

 

[Sinobas]

Professional demolition crews use a lot of planning and precise demolition material to get a building to fall into it's own footprint, which is what WTC 7 supposedly did on it's own because of a relatively small fire. Instead of studying this failure, it was all quicky shipped to china where the steel was melted down. 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns, and it falls perfectly symetrical and only .5 second longer than free fall.

Go sell that shit somewhere else, I"m not buying.

 

[Sinobas]

Physical evidence of demolition
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/thermitics_made_simple.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Professional demolition crews use a lot of planning and precise demolition material to get a building to fall into it's own footprint, which is what WTC 7 supposedly did on it's own because of a relatively small fire. Instead of studying this failure, it was all quicky shipped to china where the steel was melted down. 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns, and it falls perfectly symetrical and only .5 second longer than free fall.

Go sell that shit somewhere else, I"m not buying.

WTC7 didn't fall in its own footprint.

Note just past building 7 is a small amount of debris on the white building behind it. (Building 7 is pile in the upper center-left of the photo. The white building is at the top center-left of the photo.) That building is to the north east corner of building 7. Note about 1/3rd of the east side of the building falling to the north in the photo below.

Here is another photo from over Building 7. The white building is on the left. Note the debris from building 7 which crossed the street and landed on top of the white building.

This suggests the building was split by the penthouse collapses most of the way down. One section went to the south-east while a smaller section went to the north. It wasn't that symmetrical.

Below are snapshots from a video taken from the northeast of Building 7 just as it collapses. Note that it has just begun to collapse and it is already tilting to the south.

Half way through and it's still tilted to the south. Note the west side of the building has come away from the west face around what used to be the 43rd floor. Light can be seen through the east face windows.

Note the angle to the south has increased and so has the space between the west face and the rest of the building. The west face later lays on the Verizon building to the west. While it looks like it's about to hit the ground, it's still almost as high as the white building to the right. That makes it about 20 stories.

If the majority of the building fell to the south-east based on the resulting debris locations, as conspiracy theorists point out, it is evidence for a normal collapse by fire. I think they're right.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

 

[jlprk]

This is a message from Chief of Department (ret.) Daniel Nigro, addressing the conspiracy theories surrounding the collapse of WTC7. Thank you very much for this statement, Mr. Nigro. The work you and your colleagues did will never be forgotten.

Release date: September 23, 2007

Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:
1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)

https://sites.google.com/site/911guide/danielnigro

The reasons are as follows:
1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. A list of those certain ones follows: Those 3 buildings were the only ones in history to collapse into their own footprints.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7, as have happened in millions of fires in history without the neighboring building collapsing into its own footprint.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels, like many other buildings that have had fires.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them, just like many other buildings in history.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed, 3 hours after I allowed no witnesses to get close to see what was being secretly done.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

 

[Sinobas]

"normal collapse by fire" Pop quiz hot shot. Find me the basis for which you call that a normal collapse by fire. (hint, don't waste your time, because a steel framed high rise building never fell due to fire before 9-11)

As to whether or not it fell straight down into it's own footprint like a demolition, we can let the viewers at home decide. Imagine how this would have been possible if the columns were not cut at once as they do in a demolition. It's not like portions of the building collapsed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The reasons are as follows:
1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse. A list of those certain ones follows: Those 3 buildings were the only ones in history to collapse into their own footprints.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7, as have happened in millions of fires in history without the neighboring building collapsing into its own footprint.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels, like many other buildings that have had fires.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them, just like many other buildings in history.
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed, 3 hours after I allowed no witnesses to get close to see what was being done.
Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

They didn't fall in their own footprints.

 

[B-Roy]

Yes very interesting analysis on the game.... Mmm I too agree with your sentiments... Should have shot more threes... Yes yes..... Very nice.

 

[jlprk]

They didn't fall in their own footprints.

See the film in the post before yours. It fell vertically into itself, exactly as demolition crews collapse buildings, and as never happens otherwise. Got films of it happening in other fires?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Yes very interesting analysis on the game.... Mmm I too agree with your sentiments... Should have shot more threes... Yes yes..... Very nice.

I'm very sorry guys. This was my fault.

 

[Sinobas]

Buildings don't fall down any straighter than this dog.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

See the film in the post before yours. It fell vertically into itself, exactly as demolition crews collapse buildings, and as never happens otherwise. Got films of it happening in other fires?

So again, the government had secret agents running around cutting columns and placing secret sauces on metal to collapse buildings and no one saw them.

Even the Navy Seals who killed Bin Laden have written books and done movie deals but none of the secret sauce agents have decided to say anything?

 

[WillG]

Debris field of the building didn't fall neatly into it's own footprint - but as seen in the video Sinobas posted, the building fell almost perfectly perpendicular to the ground, towards it's own footprint: symmetrically with very little toppling.
This suggests universal, concurrent failure of the internal supports.

Not a piecewise collapse, but total; Very much like our defense in the first half tonight.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Buildings don't fall down any straighter than this dog.

Actually they do. Look at the photos. There's shit everywhere. WTC7 didn't fall straight down.

But lets see if I got this right according to you guys, the government does this grand conspiracy, secret agents with secret sauces running around doing secret things, they decided to not only destroy the 2 WTC buildings they decided to take one more building out, WTC7. But then these silly stupid secret agents screw up this vast conspiracy and have the buildings fall in their own footprints (which they didn't really but that's besides the point) so everyone is able to figure out that it was really the secret sauce agents that brought down the buildings.

 

[barfo]

Actually they do. Look at the photos. There's shit everywhere. WTC7 didn't fall straight down.

But lets see if I got this right according to you guys, the government does this grand conspiracy, secret agents with secret sauces running around doing secret things, they decided to not only destroy the 2 WTC buildings they decided to take one more building out, WTC7. But they these silly stupid secret agents screw up this vast conspiracy and have the buildings fall in their own footprints (which they didn't really but that's besides the point) so everyone is able to figure out that it was really the secret sauce agents that brought down the buildings.

My theory is that Obama did it so that he could take our guns.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

My theory is that Obama did it so that he could take our guns.

barfo

They came for my shoes at airport security and I didn't say anything, then they came for my guns.

 

[jlprk]

I'm very sorry guys. This was my fault.

Okay!! You admit it was you?? Now we're getting somewhere.

Denny will win the Pulitzer for this thread.

 

[WillG]

They came for my shoes at airport security and I didn't say anything, then they came for my guns.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for my Bacon & my Guns, and I did speak out-
I said: "Say hello to my little friend".

 

[SlyPokerDog]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for my Bacon & my Guns, and I did speak out-
I said: "Say hello to my little friend".

Hahahahaha!

 

[jlprk]

Actually they do. Look at the photos. There's shit everywhere. WTC7 didn't fall straight down.

The answer.

Debris field of the building didn't fall neatly into it's own footprint - but as seen in the video Sinobas posted, the building fell almost perfectly perpendicular to the ground, towards it's own footprint: symmetrically with very little toppling. This suggests universal, concurrent failure of the internal supports. Not a piecewise collapse, but total.

To fall so symmetrically, each girder broke at the same moment as the others on its floor. Uncontrolled, it would have been random, with one side caving in much later, if at all, than the other side.

 

[PDXFonz]

Mags makes one post during the game and you guys forget that this isn't the OT thread.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Mags makes one post during the game and you guys forget that this isn't the OT thread.

If you can't see the parallels between the twin towers and Meyers and Plums then you haven't been paying attention.

 

[handiman]

I'm confused, did we lose a game or a war?

 

[BlayZa]

juice uppitidatedity

 

[BonesJones]

Do you not realize that because theres stuff everywhere doesnt mean it didnt fall into its own footprint? When a big ass building like that crumples into the ground the energy built from it falling has to go somewhere.. Which is laterally.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Note that structural steel at 550 degrees C (1022 F) has 60% of the strength of steel at normal temperatures.

It doesn't need to melt to fail structurally.

I work for a structural steel bending company. I can testify for a fact that different metals can be contorted at different temperatures. For example... some 6" XXH A53A is going to start to weaken at a different temp than A500.
Steel is not universal and all structural steel comes with MTR's, material test reports. These reports provide complete stencil and yield strengths. The same steel can have different capacities, based on the yield strength from the mill.

To top that off, SAPA, Portland's largest(?) steel mill, just closed down indefinitely pending a federal investigation regarding falsified test reports. In construction, there are corners cut all the time and most are not caught.

 

[THE HCP]

Good lord you geeks have sunk to an all time low! As soon as I start thinking you are actual normal human beings this shit breaks out!


Sent from my Baller-Ass 5.5" iPhone 6+......... FAMS

 

[THE HCP]

As far as tonight goes, wow! What an ugly game for us. Love that they didn't quit and scrapped their way back into it, but we lost to a better team tonight.
You guys know how I feel about Nic, so I'm not saying anything! Only good thing about an early game today, we got into San Antonio a lot earlier then we normally do. On to the next one.


Sent from my Baller-Ass 5.5" iPhone 6+......... FAMS

 

[jlprk]

1. Besides the U.S. national anthem before the game, the Charlotte crowd also stood for the French anthem, because of the recent attacks.

2. After 6 years of being a Hornet, Gerald Henderson was given a welcome and cheered. Maybe this mellowed him, because he sucked in 7 minutes in the 1st half and Stotts held him out in the 2nd. Will Portland fans show their usual class by booing Batum when he returns?

3. With Leonard out, Vonleh started and got 24 minutes. Apparently Stotts hoped Vonleh would carry ‪extra motivation, playing against the team who wouldn't give him minutes. Cliff Alexander got 17 minutes. Both had good, not excellent box score lines. In the real game, they were adequate without committing wild errors.

4. Al Jefferson was hot all game. Ed Davis was on the bench in foul trouble in the 1st half and fouled out in the 2nd.

5. Lamb was stupendous in the 1st half but faded in the 2nd half. Walker was merely excellent. Much of the 2nd half was in blowout conditions, but we sneaked back after they'd gotten complacent, as always happens.