Game Thread GAME# 16: BULLS @ BLAZERS - NOVEMBER 24, 2015 - TUESDAY, 7:00 PM (PST), CSNNW

[THE HCP]

@HCP

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Why would you compare Aminu's stats on a talentless roster compared to Nic's on a STACKED roster? You realize this is NO way to judge or compare two players right? Just like comparing Kevin Love's numbers on his current Cavs team and his horrible Wolves one. You're better than this FAMS!

 

[THE HCP]

I don't know who you are too.
I watched every game last season and Batum is better as a decision maker\passer yet his defense,shooting,rebounding and aggressiveness were inferior to Aminu's.
Batum is also more expansive and can't play PF.

Both of them are not legit starters for a serious team tho.

Damn, well since you watched EVERY game.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Damn, well since you watched EVERY game.

Been nice talkin' to ya'.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why would you compare Aminu's stats on a talentless roster compared to Nic's on a STACKED roster? You realize this is NO way to judge or compare two players right? Just like comparing Kevin Love's numbers on his current Cavs team and his horrible Wolves one. You're better than this FAMS!

Nic's stats took a dive from the previous season when the roster was just as stacked. I think people are comparing what he was prior, what he was last season, etc.

Being on a stacked team, his 3pt shooting should have been good, no?

Love's role was certainly reduced and in a different system and he suffered injuries last season. His numbers this season are outstanding. Nic doesn't have that excuse.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't know who you are too.
I watched every game last season and Batum is better as a decision maker\passer yet his defense,shooting,rebounding and aggressiveness were inferior to Aminu's.
Batum is also more expansive and can't play PF.

Both of them are not legit starters for a serious team tho.

Nic Batum is a perfect 4th option on a 54 win playoff team. People always wanted him to be more aggressive here. People forget about the pecking order sometimes on a team. He was a perfect fit here. As far as defender, and rebounder, they are probably identical. But I can tell you if Nic has the ball on his hands at ANYTIME, I feel more comfortable than when Aminu does. That dude is a TO waiting to happen. People on here were talking this dude up, like he was going to be such a huge upgrade over Nic........ the hell he is.

 

[THE HCP]

Nic's stats took a dive from the previous season when the roster was just as stacked. I think people are comparing what he was prior, what he was last season, etc.

Being on a stacked team, his 3pt shooting should have been good, no?

Love's role was certainly reduced and in a different system and he suffered injuries last season. His numbers this season are outstanding. Nic doesn't have that excuse.

Last season, what did you realistically expect him to do? Between LA/Dame/Wes they were launching 50+ shots a game I'm guessing. I think with Nic taking what, 10 shots a game and being the 4th option AND being injured...... I wasn't complaining. Probably the best 4th option on an NBA roster last season.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Bro did you just post that Aminu is an improvement over Nic? Don't know ya, don't think I've ever read any of your post, but this might lead to you being the first person I've ever blocked on here. If this is the sign of your opinion of anything basketball related, I don't want to read it. Amazing you can watch him stumble around out there and dare say he's better than Batum. In fact, where are all the people after 5 games that were tossing props to Aminu for being such a great addition?

Jesus, your going to block someone because he think a player is better than another? I mean , its not like he is arguing with you and going on and on. Your pompousness has no bounds it seems. Might as well block me too because Ive already made my mind up about you too...

 

[THE HCP]

Jesus, your going to block someone because he think a player is better than another? I mean , its not like he is arguing with you and going on and on. Your pompousness has no bounds it seems. Might as well block me too because Ive already made my mind up about you too...

Lighten up Francis. I don't block people on here, that's the joke. I have had posters come swinging on me left and right over the years and had mods contact me asking if I wanted to block them, never will.
Step back and take a deep breath. You have to learn how we roll around here. You gotta a thing for The HCP?

 

[Denny Crane]

Last season, what did you realistically expect him to do? Between LA/Dame/Wes they were launching 50+ shots a game I'm guessing. I think with Nic taking what, 10 shots a game and being the 4th option AND being injured...... I wasn't complaining. Probably the best 4th option on an NBA roster last season.

I'd expect him to make 46% of his shots and 36% of his 3pt shots and grab 7.5 rebounds a game and generate even more assists to those other players that stacked the team. Certainly not have a dramatic drop off nearly across the board. Those kinds of things are an indication he was maybe mailing it in or had basically checked out.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Nic Batum is a perfect 4th option on a 54 win playoff team. People always wanted him to be more aggressive here. People forget about the pecking order sometimes on a team. He was a perfect fit here. As far as defender, and rebounder, they are probably identical. But I can tell you if Nic has the ball on his hands at ANYTIME, I feel more comfortable than when Aminu does. That dude is a TO waiting to happen. People on here were talking this dude up, like he was going to be such a huge upgrade over Nic........ the hell he is.

-I said "slight improvement".
-Not every SF has to be a PG as well and make extra decisions, it's up to the coach.
-Did you feel comfortable with all of Batum's missed shots as well?? i know i cringed everytime he got an open shot because i knew he will screw it up.
-You have to factor in money as well, Batum is making almost 50% more money than Aminu!
-Rebounding and defense are identical?? are you serious mang?

 

[riverman]

Comparing Nic to Aminu is really not a fair thing to do considering Nico was here for 7 years and knew the system better. Aminu is adjusting to a new system. I don't remember people thinking Aminu was a huge upgrade but Nico wasn't really the flavor of the month around here after last season. I think it's too early to compare the new guys with the old core that had played together so much it was second nature. Nic is in a contract year and playing well. I've always been a fan of his but he needed a change and so did the Blazers. HCP you need to give Aminu a bit of rope here early in the season. He's a defender first and a darned good 3 and D guy. He'll never get assist numbers like Nico did. Nico won't block shots like he does.

 

[Tunchi]

I love it when posters use the "streaky" or "inconsistent" argument with no supporting data.

Prove that he's actually more "streaky" than other players that you'd like to have instead.

Go look up his FG percentages and especially his 3point percentages this year, its not good. Hes a high volume scorer with sub par defense.. GREAT leader and personality for a team but a little overrated on his bball game and is still propped up from his great first 2 seasons.

 

[Natebishop3]

I love it when posters use the "streaky" or "inconsistent" argument with no supporting data.

Prove that he's actually more "streaky" than other players that you'd like to have instead.

Tunchi doesn't like Lillard and will always find a flaw in his game.

 

[Natebishop3]

Will you guys knock it off? Not in the mood to deal with drama. It's been quiet around here.

 

[Tunchi]

Tunchi doesn't like Lillard and will always find a flaw in his game.

Its not that I dont like him, hes a great leader, personality and great dude all around. But his game is not that tight. Go look at his numbers and tell me how I'm wrong? I hope he gets better but I just think hes overrated

 

[THE HCP]

-I said "slight improvement".
-Not every SF has to be a PG as well and make extra decisions, it's up to the coach.
-Did you feel comfortable with all of Batum's missed shots as well?? i know i cringed everytime he got an open shot because i knew he will screw it up.
-You have to factor in money as well, Batum is making almost 50% more money than Aminu!
-Rebounding and defense are identical?? are you serious mang?

I actually don't use how much money a player makes as a way to judge them, I use where they were drafted.

 

[e_blazer]

Its not that I dont like him, hes a great leader, personality and great dude all around. But his game is not that tight. Go look at his numbers and tell me how I'm wrong? I hope he gets better but I just think hes overrated

The thing that's wrong is that you only show up saying this crap when he has an off night. He has 2 assists one game and you show up and bitch about that despite the fact that he's currently 7th in the league in assists. He has a poor shooting night like last night and you show up complaining about that despite the fact that 6th in the league in scoring. In short, you aren't to be taken as someone who is serious about Lillard's accomplishments. You're just looking to bait people into getting pissed at you. I think there's a word describing posters that do that...

 

[Natebishop3]

I actually don't use how much money a player makes as a way to judge them, I use where they were drafted.

............ what?

That's fine if they're a rookie, but after 4 years why does it matter where they were drafted? The Hornets should judge Batum on what they gave up to get him, and what it's going to cost to keep him. The Blazers originally signed Wes to a pretty decent contract for a second year guy. You're saying he should have still been judged on the fact that he wasn't drafted and not on his contract?

 

[THE HCP]

............ what?

That's fine if they're a rookie, but after 4 years why does it matter where they were drafted? The Hornets should judge Batum on what they gave up to get him, and what it's going to cost to keep him. The Blazers originally signed Wes to a pretty decent contract for a second year guy. You're saying he should have still been judged on the fact that he wasn't drafted and not on his contract?

Good point. Only can judge that way thru their rookie contract!

 

[THE HCP]

Kinda like judging somebody by the number of posts they have....... maybe I should be nice to rook........ NAH!

 

[Blazers Roy]

I actually don't use how much money a player makes as a way to judge them, I use where they were drafted.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Kinda like judging somebody by the number of posts they have....... maybe I should be nice to rook........ NAH!

And your biggest and most obvious downfall. Your like a jaded referee. Or like a senior with senioritis.
Maybe if you treated all fairly and with the same respect.... ahhh nevermind. I already know your incapable of turning the lightbulb on on this topic. Carry on.

Nice to see you admit that you shouldnt judge a player by the draft position though. It made no sense and you acknowledged it. Kudops to you for manning up.
Now if you would just acknowledge some other of your downfalls. ... nah....francine will always be francine...

 

[riverman]

I actually don't use how much money a player makes as a way to judge them, I use where they were drafted.

By that standard, Wes must have really sucked in your view

 

[Eastoff]

I love it when posters use the "streaky" or "inconsistent" argument with no supporting data.

Prove that he's actually more "streaky" than other players that you'd like to have instead.

It wouldn't be that hard to have a standard deviation like statistic for each player.

 

[Tunchi]

The thing that's wrong is that you only show up saying this crap when he has an off night. He has 2 assists one game and you show up and bitch about that despite the fact that he's currently 7th in the league in assists. He has a poor shooting night like last night and you show up complaining about that despite the fact that 6th in the league in scoring. In short, you aren't to be taken as someone who is serious about Lillard's accomplishments. You're just looking to bait people into getting pissed at you. I think there's a word describing posters that do that...

How do I use games when its an off night? Go look at his OVERALL NUMBERS.. Thats what I'm using. To me 25ppg on 41% shooting and 34% from 3s is not impressive

 

[e_blazer]

How do I use games when its an off night? Go look at his OVERALL NUMBERS.. Thats what I'm using. To me 25ppg on 41% shooting and 34% from 3s is not impressive

Well, I guess you should be thankful you're not a Rockets fan and have to put up with James Harden getting 27.9 ppg on 38% shooting and 27% from 3s. Absolutely nobody is impressed with that guy.

 

[Tunchi]

Well, I guess you should be thankful you're not a Rockets fan and have to put up with James Harden getting 27.9 ppg on 38% shooting and 27% from 3s. Absolutely nobody is impressed with that guy.

Thats terrible too. Thats about a tier lower than how Dame's playing this season. I just hope Dame shakes this damn shooting funk hes in, hes too much a great leader to deserve that. Harden is a prick

 

[BlayZa]

this is all very interesting..... but.... can i please get some more people on the start Ed Davis @ PF warwagon?

 

[e_blazer]

Thats terrible too. Thats about a tier lower than how Dame's playing this season. I just hope Dame shakes this damn shooting funk hes in, hes too much a great leader to deserve that. Harden is a prick

Oh, well I guess I could point out that Dame is getting much greater attention from defenses now that he doesn't have another All-Star on the team. And then there's that ripped off thumbnail. But those are just excuses, I suppose. Still, I guess you wouldn't be impressed by Russell Westbrook, then, either. I mean, last year when he didn't have Durant to draw some of the attention from the defense he put up 28 ppg on .426 shooting and just under 30% from three. Man, it must be tough for you as a fan.

 

[blazerboy30]

Go look up his FG percentages and especially his 3point percentages this year, its not good. Hes a high volume scorer with sub par defense.. GREAT leader and personality for a team but a little overrated on his bball game and is still propped up from his great first 2 seasons.

Percentages, low or high, give no indication to "streaky" or "inconsistent". Using that as your argument just shows you don't know what you're talking about.