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I do find it funny that the newspapers and even Hank/AV really blame that goal. I think it is the easy way out. We still let up 4 other goals. We still had a 4-3 lead after that goal. We still made MANY mistakes in the two games that led to 6 King goals.

Stepan bad TO. Girardi bad TO. Richards bad TO. McDonagh bad TO.

Kings deserve credit for forcing the play, but most of these are soft unforced errors. Cannot have it.

McDonagh was a + 2 at one point, and ended up a - 1. Says a lot last night. He was great, but made some mistakes, especially on Gabby's goal.

I hope they see that and focus on that for game 3. Otherwise it might not go well in game 3 as we are focused on a bad call that I guess cost us four 2 goal leads in two games, and cost us 7 other goals in two games.
 
chuckd3534 said:
I do find it funny that the newspapers and even Hank/AV really blame that goal. I think it is the easy way out. We still let up 4 other goals. We still had a 4-3 lead after that goal. We still made MANY mistakes in the two games that led to 6 King goals.

Stepan bad TO. Girardi bad TO. Richards bad TO. McDonagh bad TO.

Kings deserve credit for forcing the play, but most of these are soft unforced errors. Cannot have it.

McDonagh was a + 2 at one point, and ended up a - 1. Says a lot last night. He was great, but made some mistakes, especially on Gabby's goal.

I hope they see that and focus on that for game 3. Otherwise it might not go well in game 3 as we are focused on a bad call that I guess cost us four 2 goal leads in two games, and cost us 7 other goals in two games.
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Ryan McDonagh is a solid hockey player but his defense is slightly overrated. That was a mistake you just can't make in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Would you ever see Brian Leetch do something like that? That being said ok fine you make a bad play resulting in a turnover but then watch him after that. He just stands there watching and never gets back in the play. Never picks anyone up. Just lets Gaborik get the puck and put it in. Look at the winner in OT for the Kings. He's just standing there behind Brown. No attempt to get him tied up or out from in front of Hank.
 
chuckd3534 said:
1. I do agree Richards needs to be bought-out. He is past his prime, combined with the big cap issues it would hit us with down the road, and it makes it almost a slamdunk he needs to be bought-out.

2. As for Nash, look he is very soft. That is the reason he doesn't score in the playoffs. Don't search for other answers, because that is THE answer. And the rare game where he is angry or fired up and we see him not play soft, you see what he can do in those games, and it is really strong. BUT the issue is you need to get value for him...NOW. We CANNOT deal him for picks that means nothing to a win now team. If we deal Nash we need good value that can help this team win NOW...not 2 or 3 years from now. That is the issue with dealing Nash for a win now team.

And BTW...I don't care that he is doing other things. Good for him that he is still working, but he gets 7.8 mill per to score goals, not to play on the PK and have 3 goals in 22 playoff games. He NEEDS to score to be worth it.
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Totally agree Chuck. When I said picks I meant high picks that can have a quick impact. Obviously I'd prefer a solid defensive dman with a shot though (which is what we've all been wanting for 5 years now). And totally agree about the "other things" he's doing. He's not Callahan. Callahan would grind out a goal and just wear out the other team. Nash is here to score and make plays, instead he's made himself useless by not being able to put the puck in the net. Maybe we should look into trading him and then see about signing Callahan back here, if he backs down off his ludicrous price tag. Haven't had my coffee yet this morning so I don't know if I'm even making sense right now lol.
 
Messiah717 said:
Ryan McDonagh is a solid hockey player but his defense is slightly overrated. That was a mistake you just can't make in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Would you ever see Brian Leetch do something like that? That being said ok fine you make a bad play resulting in a turnover but then watch him after that. He just stands there watching and never gets back in the play. Never picks anyone up. Just lets Gaborik get the puck and put it in. Look at the winner in OT for the Kings. He's just standing there behind Brown. No attempt to get him tied up or out from in front of Hank.
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Blowing shit way out of proportion a little dont ya think? Never is a strong word and #2 had just as many games where his defense was questionable. We lose two tight games and now the norris trophy candidate blows.

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Blowing shit way out of proportion a little dont ya think? Never is a strong word and #2 had just as many games where his defense was questionable. We lose two tight games and now the norris trophy candidate blows.

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Nobody came up bigger than Leetch in big spots. The guy was a friggin machine in 1994. I'm sorry but Ryan McDonagh was just like the other defenseman on this team soft and timid when it really mattered.
 
Maybe it's wishful thinking and he is soft, but Nash needs a higher quality C than Derek Stepan, who's barely a #2. Ive been on the Stastny train and have seen Thornton mentioned as a trade target so we'll see. In Columbus he seemed to score alot from the high slot but here everthing is to the outside. He needs a space creator with him.
 
Its two frigen games...leetch was benched during a game and was in his 6th nhl aeason the year they won the cup...compare apples to apples. McD was one of the best in the Montreal series. ...this series isnt over yet

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Its two frigen games...leetch was benched during a game and was in his 6th nhl aeason the year they won the cup...compare apples to apples. McD was one of the best in the Montreal series. ...this series isnt over yet

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Keenan also pulled Richter in that game you're referring to. He pretty much handed a game to New Jersey to prove a point.
 
Leetch never had as many giveaways or turnovers as McDonagh, and Girardi has always had a problem with it, yet i get ripped by some for saying he's not a top pair guy etc etc and makes too much.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Pasta...thats a penalty no matter what game we are in...stop with these posts..it was unquestionable. ..even this whinner agreed on the call.

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ok big al i'll make a deal with you, i will stop with these posts when you stop making posts about how much you loathe the greatest hockey voice in the games history
 
We all know I believe McDonagh is awesome. He has raised his offensive game big time. But on that tying goal last night I think McDonagh's offensive growth hurt him. Instead of making the smart play, like he usually does 99% of the time, he tried to get fancy and make a slick play to start O, and it back fired. That is something he will learn I believe.

As he scores 50 + points next season he wil fully learn when to try and be slick to create O, and when to make the smart defensive play. It is a fine line sometimes.
 
My fear is that simply he Kings are a team of destiny. Every single break and bounce goes their way. 21 games to get to the finals. Three game seven wins on the road. Coming back from 3-0 down. Winning three straight games without holding the lead in any of those games for a single second. The first team to come back and win a finals game being down by two goals three times. I'm afraid we all know how this story ends even know we're hopeful it can turn around.
 
Kreider creates space. I just don't buy it with Nash. I am sure if he played with a stud C he would score more, that is logical, but that still doesn't explain why he is soft and never drives to the net or gets in front for dirty goals.
 
I don't get caught up in that Mess. How I view it is the Kings know how to win these games. They know how to never give up. They know how to play from behind and make plays under pressure. I don't call that destiny, I call it being a very good team that has tasted success and knows how to win. Something we appear to still need to learn against a truly top team, which we have not played the likes of in these playoffs.
 
I just knew the Rangers were in trouble when Doc mentioned the 22-0 or whatever when leading by two heading into the third.
 
The only thing holding McDonagh back from truly being in the Norris mix is his instincts on the pp, he needs to learn how to shoot off the pass.
 
chuckd3534 said:
Kreider creates space. I just don't buy it with Nash. I am sure if he played with a stud C he would score more, that is logical, but that still doesn't explain why he is soft and never drives to the net or gets in front for dirty goals.
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I've seen enough of Nash to be done with him. You simply cannot have a winger making that kind of money just doing nothing for you on the score sheet game after game. People blowing him for how many shots on goal he had in the third when he can't bury a single chance.
 
Right. Weak ass shots from the outside don't show me much. And playing hard on the PK and back check, while good for him, does not equal us paying him 7.8 mill per. He needs to score goals. That is it. That simple. 3 in 22 playoffs game is not good enough. I understand why no one with the team would say it, but they know it inside, trust me there.
 
funny how nash decided to make SORT of a difference in game when he absolutely embellished that interfernce call... why doesn't he take that initiative and drive to net with puck!!!

rumor has it that the mister softie ice cream truck will now have nash photo on it
 
I'm just glad game three is tomorrow night. No extra day waiting around. They win tomorrow or the series is over. Pretty definitive.
 
Right. That call was clearly in our favor and was totally sold by Nash. But like I said, saying the refs have given us the edge isn't fair Pasta. It goes both ways. The refs have been pretty solid and fair both ways IMO.
 
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