Game Thread GAME# 20: PACERS @ BLAZERS - DECEMBER 3, 2015 - THURSDAY, 7:00 PM (PST), CSNNW

[SIeepwalker]

And the winning stat of this game: Henderson's 9 minutes played !

 

[Natebishop3]

And the winning stat of this game: Henderson's 9 minutes played !

That's the result of Crabbe having himself a game.

 

[SIeepwalker]

All I'm saying is Hendo get less minutes and we win. But that's just a coincidence right ? Right ?

Btw, tonight was not proper tanking !

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I won tweet of the night!

http://www.nba.com/blazers/tweets-night-indatpor

You're a lock for twat of the year.

 

[PDXFonz]

He banged knees with Al Farouq Aminu.

He didn't go down with a knee injury though. Two totally different things. And Paul George doesn't have 'glass knees'.

 

[THE HCP]

You're a lock for twat of the year.

#DropsTheMicFAMS

 

[Pinwheel1]

More like a poor man's Wesley Matthews.

At first I was thinking of Wes as well, especially from 3 pt range. But the rest of his game is closer to Klay's IMO. Especially his midrange game, and just the way he moves. Wes was/is very effective at what he does, but he does not look fluid doing it.
Wes to me always looks like a "bull in a china store".

 

[THE HCP]

Klay Thompson is a PERFECT comparison for AC!

 

[Blazers Roy]

Nice feel good win, but a poor "gameplan" from Stotts.

-It's been several games now that we have the same 5 starting very slow. Why the same starting 5?
-With PG and Ellis down you'd expect the Blazers to make something a bit more aggressive than attempting a million 3s and praying for the best.

-Who was supposed to stop those Miles shots again? Mayers?

So yea, that style of play will win you some games,but i'm not so sure it's the right way to play.

 

[BBert]

Our season is 8 wins, 12 losses. First we went 4-6. Then we went 4-6.

Simmons Fail

 

[BBert]

Klay Thompson is a PERFECT comparison for AC!

Agreed

 

[B-Roy]

At first I was thinking of Wes as well, especially from 3 pt range. But the rest of his game is closer to Klay's IMO. Especially his midrange game, and just the way he moves. Wes was/is very effective at what he does, but he does not look fluid doing it.
Wes to me always looks like a "bull in a china store".

Like a super duper poor version of Klay. Despite shooting 49/44/89 on the season, Allen is mostly just a good pull up midrange jumpshooter. He doesn't take nearly the same volume of threes as someone like Klay, Matthews, or even CJ. He's currently shooting 4.2 threes per 36 minutes, which is actually a career low. Don't think he can sustain a high volume either. From the eye test he's money when he's open but pretty bricky when he's defended.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Like a super duper poor version of Klay. Despite shooting 49/44/89 on the season, Allen is mostly just a good pull up midrange jumpshooter. He doesn't take nearly the same volume of threes as someone like Klay, Matthews, or even CJ. He's currently shooting 4.2 threes per 36 minutes, which is actually a career low. Don't think he can sustain a high volume either. From the eye test he's money when he's open but pretty bricky when he's defended.

He is often covered pretty well when he shoots his pull midrange j, and still makes them. You are probably right about taking contested 3's though. That is a skill level only a few are good at. But then again I don't really want to see anyone taking a 3 if they are not open. Except at the end of a game.

 

[handiman]

Klay Thompson is a PERFECT comparison for AC!

I was thinking Tracy Murray on crack. And that's not a bad thing.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

He's also 4th in the league in ORtg, behind Iguadola, Curry, and Durant. Dude is a BALLER.

UPDATE: He passed Kevin Durant in ORtg, now stands at 3rd, as well as 3rd in Offensive Rebound Percentage.

He's the ULTIMATE garbage man.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Nice feel good win, but a poor "gameplan" from Stotts.

-It's been several games now that we have the same 5 starting very slow. Why the same starting 5?
-With PG and Ellis down you'd expect the Blazers to make something a bit more aggressive than attempting a million 3s and praying for the best.

-Who was supposed to stop those Miles shots again? Mayers?

So yea, that style of play will win you some games,but i'm not so sure it's the right way to play.

Answer: Because we're not actively trying to win games through gameplanning or coaching. If the players win, great. But the FO and coaching staff would rather see Vonleh play than play Meyers more minutes right now.

 

[B-Roy]

Answer: Because we're not actively trying to win games through gameplanning or coaching. If the players win, great. But the FO and coaching staff would rather see Vonleh play than play Meyers more minutes right now.

I think it's more that Meyers was injured and they're easing him back in. Meyers also seems to play better with Davis. Makes sense, put him next to a dominant rebounding, but more limited offensive player.

Honestly, I would rather start Meyers and Davis. Plumlee is great, but Vonleh could probably do a bit more playing against other bench players, or not. He's not particularly doing anything starting and is playing around the same minutes as he was coming off the bench.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think it's more that Meyers was injured and they're easing him back in. Meyers also seems to play better with Davis. Makes sense, put him next to a dominant rebounding, but more limited offensive player.

Honestly, I would rather start Meyers and Davis. Plumlee is great, but Vonleh could probably do a bit more playing against other bench players, or not. He's not particularly doing anything starting and is playing around the same minutes as he was coming off the bench.

Good points. Meyers isn't a liability if Davis is getting EVERY offensive rebounds EVER. And on defense, he's a decent defensive rebounder. He and Davis are more naturally a pair than Plums and Leonard (who both work better on defensive rebounds).

 

[B-Roy]

Good points. Meyers isn't a liability if Davis is getting EVERY offensive rebounds EVER. And on defense, he's a decent defensive rebounder. He and Davis are more naturally a pair than Plums and Leonard (who both work better on defensive rebounds).

I think Meyers is just an average rebounder. If he's in there as the only big he can put up more numbers, but when I see him with Davis it's just like he defers all the easy rebounds to Ed. Sometimes that can be a bad thing though, it seems like he just assumes Ed is going to grab everything so he doesn't even try sometimes.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think Meyers is just an average rebounder. If he's in there as the only big he can put up more numbers, but when I see him with Davis it's just like he defers all the easy rebounds to Ed. Sometimes that can be a bad thing though, it seems like he just assumes Ed is going to grab everything so he doesn't even try sometimes.

Meyers isn't prioritizing rebounds, but when he's playing C, he's good.

I don't know how happy Plums would be off the bench... maybe we should start Crabbe and Dame, bench Aminu, CJ, and Vonleh, and start a frontline of Meyers at SF, Davis at PF, and Plums at C.

 

[B-Roy]

Meyers isn't prioritizing rebounds, but when he's playing C, he's good.

I don't know how happy Plums would be off the bench... maybe we should start Crabbe and Dame, bench Aminu, CJ, and Vonleh, and start a frontline of Meyers at SF, Davis at PF, and Plums at C.

Wouldn't be able to handle all the sagging off shooters.

Like yesterday, why would you give CJ Miles space to shoot? Are you really afraid of CJ Miles blowing past you? He probably has a better chance of butchering the layup.

 

[handiman]

At some point this year, we do need to figure out if Meyers is a starter or a fantastic bench player. He struggled in the starting lineup this year and has looked great off the bench after the shoulder injury. It could be coincidence and/or early season, expanded role jitters, but it needs to be explored before committing big dollars to him over the summer.

 

[blue9]

At some point this year, we do need to figure out if Meyers is a starter or a fantastic bench player. He struggled in the starting lineup this year and has looked great off the bench after the shoulder injury. It could be coincidence and/or early season, expanded role jitters, but it needs to be explored before committing big dollars to him over the summer.

Totally agree. But, as many of us have pointed out, he was played out of position when he was starting. That combined with early-season jitters made him look awful. But now that he seems to be getting over his slump I think we've gotta play him at C with Davis at PF and see what happens. I think we could have two starting-caliber Cs in Plumlee and Meyers, and only one rotation-worthy PF in Davis.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Answer: Because we're not actively trying to win games through gameplanning or coaching. If the players win, great. But the FO and coaching staff would rather see Vonleh play than play Meyers more minutes right now.

Meyers getting more minutes =\= more wins.

Player development is more than just players shooting better,doing more post moves or handling the ball better, it's also about building strong character under pressure and learning how to play the right way.

And saying we're not winning because we're not trying is a very lame excuse.

 

[BlayZa]

a bit late, but the game is up

Vonleh needs to gtfo of the starting lineup.

 

[Natebishop3]

a bit late, but the game is up

Vonleh needs to gtfo of the starting lineup.

Shhhh he's doing his job. He's getting us closer to Ben Simmons.

 

[PDXFonz]

Shhhh he's doing his job. He's getting us closer to Ben Simmons.

You ever been in a tank? You wouldn't believe how long of arms you need to drive some of the newer ones.

 

[Scalma]

a bit late, but the game is up

Vonleh needs to gtfo of the starting lineup.

Nope. Improving weekly.