Game Thread GAME# 3: BLAZERS @ BUCKS - OCTOBER 21, 2017 - SATURDAY, 5:30 (PDT), NBCSNW

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Who is currently the most athletic player in the NBA?

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Blazers Roy said:
We both agree that Giannis is more valuable as an NBA player, but saying that Giannis is marginally better in almost every single category while ignoring CJ's superiority when it comes to dribbling,shooting and passing is kinda ridiculous, wouldn't you say? I mean, those three things are basically how you rate a player from an offense standpoint.

Also, dunks are not as valuable as the ability to make floaters and runners. That's why Tony Parker was so much better than Nate Robinson.

I know what you meant to say, but i think you phrased it wrong.
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I'm not ignoring what CJ is better with in the least. But let's take passing. CJ is averaging 1.0 assists per game. Granted, it is extremely early in the season but Giannis is getting 5.7. So even is CJ is the better passer, he's not passing hardly at all and hasn't for most of his career....that's just who he is. As for dribbling, yes, CJ is a master at crossovers, ball-handling, etc but all that takes place in isolation while his teammates stand around. He's amazing at it and he often scores but it also stalls the offense and takes the team out of rhythm. Giannis doesn't have to dribble much because he only needs one dribble from the 3-pt line to get to the rim.

An I don't discount the ability to get to the rim and throw it down. It's the highest percentage shot in basketball and the GF is shoting over 67% from the field because he gets a lot of easy attempts. It was like when people said, "all Shaq can do is dunk". Well, he did it a lot and you couldn't stop it and he shot about 99% on that shot. (and there are a lot of reasons Parker was better than Robinson. I think you can agree that was a poor example)

There isn't a GM in the league that wouldn't take Giannis over CJ for multiple reasons. Because CJ can dribble better or has a better floater would get dwarfed but the myriad of things Giannis does better and in a more dominating fashion.
 
TBpup said:
I'm not ignoring what CJ is better with in the least. But let's take passing. CJ is averaging 1.0 assists per game. Granted, it is extremely early in the season but Giannis is getting 5.7. So even is CJ is the better passer, he's not passing hardly at all and hasn't for most of his career....that's just who he is. As for dribbling, yes, CJ is a master at crossovers, ball-handling, etc but all that takes place in isolation while his teammates stand around. He's amazing at it and he often scores but it also stalls the offense and takes the team out of rhythm. Giannis doesn't have to dribble much because he only needs one dribble from the 3-pt line to get to the rim.

An I don't discount the ability to get to the rim and throw it down. It's the highest percentage shot in basketball and the GF is shoting over 67% from the field because he gets a lot of easy attempts. It was like when people said, "all Shaq can do is dunk". Well, he did it a lot and you couldn't stop it and he shot about 99% on that shot. (and there are a lot of reasons Parker was better than Robinson. I think you can agree that was a poor example)

There isn't a GM in the league that wouldn't take Giannis over CJ for multiple reasons. Because CJ can dribble better or has a better floater would get dwarfed but the myriad of things Giannis does better and in a more dominating fashion.
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Wow, why can't you just say that you were wrong in that first post? you said GF is better in almost every single category, but we both agreed that sentence was not right. CJ is more skilled in doing 3 things which define an offensive player.

I have no problem with saying that GF is more valuable overall, but when we break it down into categories such as shooting,rebounding, passing,ballhandling etc - you can't say that "GF is better in almost every single category" because he isn't.

So now you bring assist numbers into this even though you know that has more to do with how team offense works... you just dance around the actual debate.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Wow, why can't you just say that you were wrong in that first post? you said GF is better in almost every single category, but we both agreed that sentence was not right. CJ is more skilled in doing 3 things which define an offensive player.

I have no problem with saying that GF is more valuable overall, but when we break it down into categories such as shooting,rebounding, passing,ballhandling etc - you can't say that "GF is better in almost every single category" because he isn't.

So now you bring assist numbers into this even though you know that has more to do with how team offense works... you just dance around the actual debate.
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CJ plays in a pass-heavy offense, much more so than Giannis does. So by that rationale, CJ should be getting a lot more assists than Giannis does and it's not even close (caveat about small sample sizes and all that).
 
Just another case where the NBA turns a blind eye to blatant sexual harassment by one of its stars.......

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Nikolokolus said:
CJ plays in a pass-heavy offense, much more so than Giannis does. So by that rationale, CJ should be getting a lot more assists than Giannis does and it's not even close (caveat about small sample sizes and all that).
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Giannis is the primary offensive facilitator; CJ is not. The number of passes doesn’t matter in the least if CJ’s role isn’t to facilitate. Also a pass heavy offense results in a lot of assists spread out among many people whereas a single facilitator offense results in a lot of assists for one guy.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
Giannis is the primary offensive facilitator; CJ is not. The number of passes doesn’t matter in the least if CJ’s role isn’t to facilitate. Also a pass heavy offense results in a lot of assists spread out among many people whereas a single facilitator offense results in a lot of assists for one guy.
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Thank you for sparing me the effort.
 
Good grief. First I couldn't question Dame's shot selection at all in one conversation. Now it's CJ vs GF. But now I've convinced. CJ is better than Giannis is almost every category. I've seen the homer light regardless of stats, results...or what every other GM in the league would say. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. :cheers:
 
TBpup said:
Good grief. First I couldn't question Dame's shot selection at all in one conversation. Now it's CJ vs GF. But now I've convinced. CJ is better than Giannis is almost every category. I've seen the homer light regardless of stats, results...or what every other GM in the league would say. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. :cheers:
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Zzzz they are just saying CJ is a better shooter and ball handler which you can't argue against.
 
My reaction to last night: If the Blazers come within a shitty non-call and two MVP hero plays by a top 10 star on the road on the 2nd half of a back-to-back, I can live with the loss. It tells me this team comes to compete every night, and will be in the mix at the end of the year. Buy your tix now to the Bucks return game on Nov. 30th, I have a feeling CJ and Nurk are going to have good games.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
My reaction to last night: If the Blazers come within a shitty non-call and two MVP hero plays by a top 10 star on the road on the 2nd half of a back-to-back, I can live with the loss. It tells me this team comes to compete every night, and will be in the mix at the end of the year. Buy your tix now to the Bucks return game on Nov. 30th, I have a feeling CJ and Nurk are going to have good games.
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Glad the rematch is soon enough for it to be fresh in their minds.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Zzzz they are just saying CJ is a better shooter and ball handler which you can't argue against.
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Wasn't arguing against that at all. Apparently some people are missing where I've repeated mention CJ's obvious strengths.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
NBA report says it was a correct no-call.
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OMG that is fucking ridiculous. I liken it to a cornerback who gets away with a PI because his right hand that strips the ball loose is legal, but whose left hand that holds or pushes the receiver....is not seen by the official.
 
blue9 said:
I don't define a good game based on a stat line. Nurk sucked.
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I agree with this. Nurk has not played well so far. He's too cocky. He does not appear to be focused in on actually playing basketball, instead it's like he's showboating. It's like he spent his free time this summer reading this board and all the NurkGod slathering, and believed it. Players should never believe their press clippings, good or bad. He could take lessons from Tyson Chandler, or Ed Davis, or Biggie Swanigan. He should just bring his lunch pale, focus on his job, and earn it.
 
Denny Crane said:
Nurk played so well last year we have these super high expectations for him. At his worst, he seems a lot better C than anyone we've had in years.
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I also agree with this. I'd like Nurkic to stop showing off, and start playing to his potential. That's all.
 
BonesJones said:
Also, screw Calabro for saying Lillard got fouled after he got Giannis' rebound with 30 seconds left. Calabro messes up so much it's embarrassing. Can't stand him as a commentator.
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What I noticed this game was my first impression of him last season: Calabro calls the game like its radio. Way too many adjectives and too much detail than is necessary to describe what I'm seeing with my own eyes, resulting in way too much noise. His diarrhea of the mouth probably also contributes to him saying so many wrong things.
 
Mr. Robot said:
I just cant get over this loss, not when you gave them a win, Id rather lose by 30

Dame and CJ cost us a game with those stupid plays, Dame got himself into trouble and there was no going back, but that play from CJ was just idiotic, you have wide open Dame and you wont pass, what a fuck was that, a hero ball, fuck that... Im not bothered by Giannis block on Nurk, thats nothing alike TO from Dame and CJ

I mean, you could have 3-0 road trip, win against a good team that would show we mean business this season and you threw it away... 2-1 road trip would be okay, but after the game we had in our hands, its not good enough for me, this couldve be a huge win, a statement win

Nurk second half was very good and thats encouraging on his part, hopefully full Rose Garden will give him that feeling he had and he will gain confidence, couple of good games and hell be ready to go
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This. I feel the same bro
 
Man this place cracks me the fuck up! Our guys played tough on a back to back against a pretty damn good team with a pure superstar player in the making having a career night...... and we lost..... after playing to Division II college teams. We need to clean up some of the mental errors, Giannis made some superb plays down the stretch. Give the kid some credit and stop blaming the officials. #64Wins
 
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