Game Thread GAME# 50: BLAZERS @ SUNS - JANUARY 24, 2019 - THURSDAY, 6:00 PM, NBCSNW

[hoopsjock]

We aren’t making significant moves the rest of this season. That’s why it makes sense.

So you are just going to ignore all the off season benefits all because you might be able to trade him?

How are the Bulls doing in their attempt to trade a super valuable $20 million expiring contract?

 

[tlongII]

So you are just going to ignore all the off season benefits all because you might be able to trade him?

How are the Bulls doing in their attempt to trade a super valuable $20 million expiring contract?

Yes. Absolutely.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yes. Absolutely.

Okay then, I can't really argue against a firm opinion on something that isn't taking common sense into the equation.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Some of the polls I think @Darkwebs just sits back, laughs, and says to himself, “I got them again.”

 

[hoopsjock]

Some of the polls I think @Darkwebs just sits back, laughs, and says to himself, “I got them again.”

Not this one, this is the biggest no brainer ever.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not this one, this is the biggest no brainer ever.

Still got 4 pages worth of people arguing about it lol

 

[THE HCP]

4 pages? I’m still on Page 1

 

[BonesJones]

It’s a tradeable asset. A team struggling next year may wish to give up an attractive player to receive the expiring deal.

Only of they want out of said contract, which means it's most likely a bad contract. You know how many big expiring contracts there are next season? Nobody's going to trade a good player just to get back an expiring. Doesnt early work like that.

 

[Blazer4ever]

The fact that Turner got so many votes in the poll, Stauskas got only 1 and Swanigan got only 2 shows me what a worthless place this forum has become

 

[Blazer4ever]

The fact that Turner got so many votes in the poll, Stauskas got only 1 and Swanigan got only 2 shows me what a worthless place this forum has become

Turner is one of our most important players, he could make twice the money as far as I'm concerned, it's not like we're getting under the cap anyway.
I hope you try and watch him more closely and realise what an asset he is for us. He runs the offense for the 2nd unit and many times for the starters, he allows our shooters to play off the ball, he has maybe the highest basketball IQ of anyone on the team and even though he is a terrible shooter (who once buzzer-beat us with Boston) he has a good all around talent

 

[kjironman1]

Okay then, I can't really argue against a firm opinion on something that isn't taking common sense into the equation.

I agree on the contract issues but for me it's much much simpler than that. Evan Turner simply does not do much at all for this team except give good interviews and say some funny stuff on the court. How many multiple possession turnover endings are we gonna see this season? We are talking three and four consecutive turnovers in a row and just handing the other team 6-10 point turnarounds? And we are not talking basic turnovers. These are bad mind numbing turnovers out at mid court leading to multiple breakaway DUNKFEST baskets. Passes at peoples knees than bounce the other way again leading to tomahawk dunks. It absolutely demoralizes the team at times. You can just see the expression on Dame's fame as he gets back up off the bench to get back in the game early so he can stop the bleeding and Turner says some kind of "Quip" about not getting a reaching call.
This and Aminu (Just like last game on three occasions) trying to drive into 2 or 3 defenders and never having a thought of passing the ball and stopping the trainwreck are just about the most frustrating things to watch with this team for me this year.

 

[kjironman1]

The fact that Turner got so many votes in the poll, Stauskas got only 1 and Swanigan got only 2 shows me what a worthless place this forum has become

Dude- It says (And Shed their contract). Try to keep up here.

 

[BonesJones]

The fact that Turner got so many votes in the poll, Stauskas got only 1 and Swanigan got only 2 shows me what a worthless place this forum has become

If this place is worthless then you should stop coming here. Please?

 

[kjironman1]

Turner is one of our most important players, he could make twice the money as far as I'm concerned, it's not like we're getting under the cap anyway.
I hope you try and watch him more closely and realise what an asset he is for us. He runs the offense for the 2nd unit and many times for the starters, he allows our shooters to play off the ball, he has maybe the highest basketball IQ of anyone on the team and even though he is a terrible shooter (who once buzzer-beat us with Boston) he has a good all around talent

You got to be kidding? Where is the green font?

 

[BonesJones]

"Guyz, Turner should make $36M a year. The team gets outscored by 8 points per 100 possessions when hes on the court, so obviously hes important to our success."

 

[kjironman1]

"Guyz, Turner should make $36M a year. The team gets outscored by 8 points per 100 possessions when hes on the court, so obviously hes important to our success."

Could you imagine a team signing him for $36 Million? Turner might be a great locker room guy but he ain't that good.

 

[SIeepwalker]

If this place is worthless then you should stop coming here. Please?

No, how would I feed my superiority complex

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The fact that Turner got so many votes in the poll, Stauskas got only 1 and Swanigan got only 2 shows me what a worthless place this forum has become

Turner is one of our most important players, he could make twice the money as far as I'm concerned

Case closed. Turner is now the only acceptable answer to this poll.

 

[tlongII]

Okay then, I can't really argue against a firm opinion on something that isn't taking common sense into the equation.

But it is. I'm surprised you don't see that? The question is "which player should we cut and shed their contract?". All shedding ET's contract will do is streamline the payroll. The Blazers won't be getting an effective player in return. My opinion is that the plan has always been to wait until the 19-20 season or after to make significant deals. Having ET's expiring deal at that point will be a useful tool. Your recommendation of dumping ET now is just going to make us worse. Dumping Moe now will not make us worse in my opinion. Hey, but you're free to disagree with me. I don't get mad or anything.

 

[hoopsjock]

But it is. I'm surprised you don't see that? The question is "which player should we cut and shed their contract?". All shedding ET's contract will do is streamline the payroll. The Blazers won't be getting an effective player in return. My opinion is that the plan has always been to wait until the 19-20 season or after to make significant deals. Having ET's expiring deal at that point will be a useful tool. Your recommendation of dumping ET now is just going to make us worse. Dumping Moe now will not make us worse in my opinion. Hey, but you're free to disagree with me. I don't get mad or anything.

How does dumping ET make us worse? I've already mentioned that in his 3 seasons here every advanced metric proves that we are worse off when he's in the lineup. That literally means that it would be addition by subtraction.

I've also mentioned why shedding ET's contract is useful. Ever since we've signed him we've had 3 straight seasons of having the tax effect every move we make. It's why we didn't use the trade exception to add a player like Mirotic. It's why we gave away Vonleh. It's why we let Ed Davis walk. It's why in the summer of 2017 we didn't even use our MLE to sign anyone (guys like Tyreke Evans signed for cheap that summer). It's why we only had enough money to sign Curry and Stauskas this summer instead of getting a better player (like a Julius Randle who signed for the full-MLE). This summer the free agent pool is going to be crazy and there are going to be good players signing for way less than they're worth. Having the full-MLE is a huge bonus.

I've already explained why the value of his expiring deal isn't what you think it is. All of the crappy contracts of 2016 are all expiring next year. Almost every team has one of those guys left. This last summer Denver had to give up multiple picks to get rid of Faried, Chandler, and Arthur ALL of whom were on expiring contracts. Do you think waiting is worth it if we STILL had to give up a pick to get rid of him? I also mentioned that the Bulls have a $20 million expiring contract this season and so far no one wants it. Having expiring contracts is fine but you don't forego an opportunity to ditch a bad contract just to use it in a trade. Leonard and Harkless combine for over $22 million next year in expiring contracts. We don't need more than that. Using expiring contracts in trades are usually because you have to take a bad contract back. So you want to keep Turner so we can use him to bring in another bad contract?

 

[blue9]

I voted for ET.

That's because you have common sense and are of at least average intelligence.

 

[CupWizier]

I agree on the contract issues but for me it's much much simpler than that. Evan Turner simply does not do much at all for this team except give good interviews and say some funny stuff on the court. How many multiple possession turnover endings are we gonna see this season? We are talking three and four consecutive turnovers in a row and just handing the other team 6-10 point turnarounds? And we are not talking basic turnovers. These are bad mind numbing turnovers out at mid court leading to multiple breakaway DUNKFEST baskets. Passes at peoples knees than bounce the other way again leading to tomahawk dunks. It absolutely demoralizes the team at times. You can just see the expression on Dame's fame as he gets back up off the bench to get back in the game early so he can stop the bleeding and Turner says some kind of "Quip" about not getting a reaching call.
This and Aminu (Just like last game on three occasions) trying to drive into 2 or 3 defenders and never having a thought of passing the ball and stopping the trainwreck are just about the most frustrating things to watch with this team for me this year.

Turner is only averaging 1.8 turnovers per game and has an assist to turnover ratio of 2.2 which is second on the team.

 

[blue9]

Turner is one of our most important players, he could make twice the money as far as I'm concerned, it's not like we're getting under the cap anyway.
I hope you try and watch him more closely and realise what an asset he is for us. He runs the offense for the 2nd unit and many times for the starters, he allows our shooters to play off the ball, he has maybe the highest basketball IQ of anyone on the team and even though he is a terrible shooter (who once buzzer-beat us with Boston) he has a good all around talent

This post is dum.

 

[tlongII]

How does dumping ET make us worse? I've already mentioned that in his 3 seasons here every advanced metric proves that we are worse off when he's in the lineup. That literally means that it would be addition by subtraction.

I've also mentioned why shedding ET's contract is useful. Ever since we've signed him we've had 3 straight seasons of having the tax effect every move we make. It's why we didn't use the trade exception to add a player like Mirotic. It's why we gave away Vonleh. It's why we let Ed Davis walk. It's why in the summer of 2017 we didn't even use our MLE to sign anyone (guys like Tyreke Evans signed for cheap that summer). It's why we only had enough money to sign Curry and Stauskas this summer instead of getting a better player (like a Julius Randle who signed for the full-MLE). This summer the free agent pool is going to be crazy and there are going to be good players signing for way less than they're worth. Having the full-MLE is a huge bonus.

I've already explained why the value of his expiring deal isn't what you think it is. All of the crappy contracts of 2016 are all expiring next year. Almost every team has one of those guys left. This last summer Denver had to give up multiple picks to get rid of Faried, Chandler, and Arthur ALL of whom were on expiring contracts. Do you think waiting is worth it if we STILL had to give up a pick to get rid of him? I also mentioned that the Bulls have a $20 million expiring contract this season and so far no one wants it. Having expiring contracts is fine but you don't forego an opportunity to ditch a bad contract just to use it in a trade. Leonard and Harkless combine for over $22 million next year in expiring contracts. We don't need more than that. Using expiring contracts in trades are usually because you have to take a bad contract back. So you want to keep Turner so we can use him to bring in another bad contract?

C'mon man! If you can't see that dumping ET will make us worse then I don't know what to tell you? Somebody had to play his minutes and right now he's the best option. The offense runs through him on the 2nd unit. We have no one else that would be as effective in that role. As far as the value of his expiring...you may be right. But so what? We will at the least waive him after next season if nobody wants his expiring deal. I think there will be some interest though.

The bottom line is we won't get worse, which would be the case in your scenario.

 

[Scalma]

Ur dum.

(Go ahead mods, ban me.)

I see no lies in his post, minus the money part.

I still voted for him, but that’s mainly because of his contract. He’s a better, more consistent player than at least four of the guys on that list.

 

[e_blazer]

I'm in Phoenix and trying to decide whether to try to get tickets to tonight's game. I saw a report that Dame is questionable and he's about the only reason that I'd go, so I may just sit back and watch on TV.

 

[illmatic99]

So about those overuse injuries. Oladipo had been battling sore knees all season, and it finally gave in in a non-contact blow out last night. Their whole season is now a waste. Just unfortunate that Nate/KP have to go through this again. Annnnd, how the hell did these dudes not learn their lessons from BRoy? Nate ran his knees into the ground by playing him even when he was hurt. Did the exact same with Victor.

Can we please monitor our guys? A meaningless win now is not worth a potential long term injury. I don't care if we have a ton of rest coming up. Regardless of what is happening two weeks from now, Dame/CJ/Nurk have been playing so many minutes.

 

[hoopsjock]

C'mon man! If you can't see that dumping ET will make us worse then I don't know what to tell you? Somebody had to play his minutes and right now he's the best option. The offense runs through him on the 2nd unit. We have no one else that would be as effective in that role. As far as the value of his expiring...you may be right. But so what? We will at the least waive him after next season if nobody wants his expiring deal. I think there will be some interest though.

The bottom line is we won't get worse, which would be the case in your scenario.

Except that ONCE AGAIN, the Blazers are worse when Turner is on the court and better when he is on the bench. This is a fact, not an opinion.

You're making the mistake of thinking that we couldn't replace Turner. We could still make trades. For example, dump Turner and trade Harkless with a future 1st for Jeremy Lin and Taurean Prince. Lin would be better than Turner running the 2nd unit and Prince would potentially be our SF moving forward or at worse a capable backup if Layman continues to progress. This summer we'd be $10 million under the cap which correct me if I'm wrong but that's way better than fighting the luxury tax all next year too?

 

[hoopsjock]

I'm in Phoenix and trying to decide whether to try to get tickets to tonight's game. I saw a report that Dame is questionable and he's about the only reason that I'd go, so I may just sit back and watch on TV.

Have you been to a game in Phoenix yet?

 

[riverman]

Meh. 50% of Harkless > 100% of Turner.

nope...healthy Mo is a better shooter but other than than it's not that big of a difference ..Turner can guard the same guys Mo guards and rebounds as well...ET is just the new Meyers around here since Meyers has improved....folks don't like ET much but he's a skilled player..not a stat guy but neither is Mo