Game Thread GAME# 53: BLAZERS @ CELTICS - FEBRUARY 4, 2018 - SUNDAY, 9:00 AM (PST), NBCSNW

[Boob-No-More]

Because it wasn't an offer sheet, and he wasn't a RFA perhaps?

True, but they did hold his Bird Rights. So, it would have been more accurate to say they didn't even consider, for one second, making a counter offer.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

Had the city been named Boston, would the NBA have denied the city a franchise?

Would have had to be New Boston. Putting Old Boston in New England and Old England needing a newer Boston but then Old Portland in New England might be able to have an NBA team? Who knows?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not sure it is quite that obvious when ET missed 3 shots the whole game and was a +5...... while Aminu missed 9 shots and was a -6. At least ET knows enough to stop shooting.......

I agree with giving Noah some minutes at the 4 though.

So, we're better off playing 4 on 5 on offense with a guy who is so bad he doesn't even consider scoring? I'm not seeing your point here. Unless your point is based on a 1 game sample size. For the season:

Evan Turner: TS% = .519, 3FG% = .308
Al-Farouq Aminue: TS = .545, 3FG% = .402

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with Chief at the 3.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

So, we're better off playing 4 on 5 on offense with a guy who is so bad he doesn't even consider scoring? I'm not seeing your point here. Unless your point is based on a 1 game sample size. For the season:

Evan Turner: TS% = .519, 3FG% = .308
Al-Farouq Aminue: TS = .545, 3FG% = .402

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with Chief at the 3.

BNM

Vonleh offensive rating last year was higher than Aminus. By 6.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Vonleh offensive rating last year was higher than Aminus. By 6.

If that's the stat were using, then it further supports my argument of Vonleh at the 4 and Chief at the 3. Although, my motivation was Vonleh's defense against DET's big front line.

This year:
Chief ORtg = 108
Turner ORtg = 101

BNM

 

[Scalma]

If that's the stat were using, then it further supports my argument of Vonleh at the 4 and Chief at the 3. Although, my motivation was Vonleh's defense against DET's big front line.

This year:
Chief ORtg = 108
Turner ORtg = 101

BNM

I agree with Aminu at the three and Vonleh at the four. I was just arguing the whole 5 on 4 take.

 

[Scalma]

We’re gonna end up trading Vonleh and Nurkic and dying with Aminu and DeAndre. Fun times!!

But hey at least Neil can say he went down with his own guys.

 

[riverman]

crap...missed the last 3 qtrs....hearbreaking to lose at the buzzer...

 

[Pinwheel1]

So, we're better off playing 4 on 5 on offense with a guy who is so bad he doesn't even consider scoring? I'm not seeing your point here. Unless your point is based on a 1 game sample size. For the season:

Evan Turner: TS% = .519, 3FG% = .308
Al-Farouq Aminue: TS = .545, 3FG% = .402

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with Chief at the 3.

BNM

Whatever. Go ahead and take your chances with that line up. Either way by next year we will need a SF who can shoot and dribble.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Whatever. Go ahead and take your chances with that line up. Either way by next year we will need a SF who can shoot and dribble.

By next year? We've needed one for the last three years. Turner can dribble, but can't shoot. Aminu has improved his shooting, but can't (and shouldn't) dribble.

BNM

 

[BrianFromWA]

Done!

Stand by for THEtykendo, coming soon...

 

[BrianFromWA]

If that's the stat were using, then it further supports my argument of Vonleh at the 4 and Chief at the 3. Although, my motivation was Vonleh's defense against DET's big front line.

This year:
Chief ORtg = 108
Turner ORtg = 101

BNM

I didn't even have to read down to this point to go: "Oh, so you want BNM to use ORtg/DRtg, huh?" Knew this post was coming in 3...2...1...

 

[Scalma]

I didn't even have to read down to this point to go: "Oh, so you want BNM to use ORtg/DRtg, huh?" Knew this post was coming in 3...2...1...

I mean I don’t like the stat either but it’s pretty good way to gauge how a unit plays together. I just like Vonleh more at PF. He makes things easier for Nurk as well. I’d love to see what the numbers are with those two together.

 

[Pinwheel1]

By next year? We've needed one for the last three years. Turner can dribble, but can't shoot. Aminu has improved his shooting, but can't (and shouldn't) dribble.

BNM

You are preaching to the choir on that one. But until then I would rather have ET who shot 53% from the field and 46% from 3 in January. We have to have a 3rd ball handler in there. Stotts knows this and it is why he even tries Napier in there during crunch time. But of course that is not the answer long term either.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I mean I don’t like the stat either but it’s pretty good way to gauge how a unit plays together. I just like Vonleh more at PF. He makes things easier for Nurk as well. I’d love to see what the numbers are with those two together.

BNM and I have had some convivial discussions on this in the past...personally, I think that there's some merit to that, but similar to what Stotts was saying, the samples of Vonleh playing with anyone in a 5-man unit are noise, statistically. It's a fun data point to look at, but I don't think (and I am happy to be corrected if wrong) the statistical even-out point is anything less than 600 minutes or so.​

 

[blue9]

So, we're better off playing 4 on 5 on offense with a guy who is so bad he doesn't even consider scoring? I'm not seeing your point here. Unless your point is based on a 1 game sample size. For the season:

Evan Turner: TS% = .519, 3FG% = .308
Al-Farouq Aminue: TS = .545, 3FG% = .402

Given the choice, I'll take my chances with Chief at the 3.

BNM

I think the point is FUCK AMINU AND TURNER!

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I think the point is FUCK AMINU AND TURNER!

Aminu is a really good player man... he has turned himself from a Corey Brewer type into a Trevor Ariza type in three years.

 

[blue9]

Aminu is a really good player man... he has turned himself from a Corey Brewer type into a Trevor Ariza type in three years.

Aminu is an average player (when he's not making idiotic mistakes) who will hold us back as long as he's in the starting unit.

 

[Scalma]

I think the point is FUCK AMINU(PF) AND TURNER!

I agree

 

[tester551]

You are preaching to the choir on that one. But until then I would rather have ET who shot 53% from the field and 46% from 3 in January. We have to have a 3rd ball handler in there. Stotts knows this and it is why he even tries Napier in there during crunch time. But of course that is not the answer long term either.

If Turner were good enough of a ball handler to count as a third, then why would Napier be needed?

It's because Turners reputation as a ball-handler is overstated. He's adequate, but in no way is he 'good'.

So this entire premise that we need him as a 3rd ball handler is false

 

[Scalma]

If Turner were good enough of a ball handler to count as a third, then why would Napier be needed?

It's because Turners reputation as a ball-handler is overstated. He's adequate, but in no way is he 'good'.

So this entire premise that we need him as a 3rd ball handler is false

I think we need a better third “anything.” Ballhander, shooter, scorer. Whatever.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Turner were good enough of a ball handler to count as a third, then why would Napier be needed?

It's because Turners reputation as a ball-handler is overstated. He's adequate, but in no way is he 'good'.
So this entire premise that we need him as a 3rd ball handler is false

As a SF ET is an above average ball handler, as a SG he is average. Compared to a PG he is way below average. The reason Napier is needed is because he can dribble AND shoot which I think we all agree is a combination that is lacking on this team. So Terry is forced to use a small lineup.

 

[KingSpeed]

I saw Napier wasn't listed in the box score at all (even as a DNP-CD).
Does anyone know why?

Napier was in street clothes and WB4 was in uniform.

 

[riverman]

Napier was in street clothes and WB4 was in uniform.

trade coming

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ouch man. Dame won the game and then had it stolen from him.

 

[TBpup]

I go to the beach, then find out Irving, Morris and Smart aren't playing.....only to find out we STILL lost? Exactly how many Celtics would have to be out before we win that game?

Looks like we had a player out as well. Calling Evan Turner to refund a game check please.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Soooooo glad I didn't watch this game. I would have put my fist through something.

And yeah, fuck Evan Turner. 0 points? Are you kidding me?

 

[ripcityboy]

Soooooo glad I didn't watch this game. I would have put my fist through something.

And yeah, fuck Evan Turner. 0 points? Are you kidding me?

Was there any part of his play that would lead you to believe he wasn't capable of playing this badly?