Game Thread GAME# 54: HEAT @ BLAZERS - FEBRUARY 9, 2020 - SUNDAY, 6:00 PM, NBCSNW

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Some players can shot like ROBINSON but not clutch when you need a basket lol
 
Hassan is so lazy on guarding the open man on the swing. I'll be happy when Nurk comes back
 
DDolla said:
Hassan not an All-Star but he took Gobert and Adebayo to school lol
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Gobert was out last game. Hassan did dominate him on the 1st but got dominated by Gobert the first time we played them 12/26. So he doesn't necessarily dominate Gobert. I do like what Hassan gives us though.
 
Eastoff said:
Hassan is so lazy on guarding the open man on the swing. I'll be happy when Nurk comes back
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Yeah also for all of the talk that Hassan takes it to the hole and dunks more than Nurk, he takes a lot of bad shots and his shot is so much uglier than Nurk's. Tonight he was 3 for 8 and a few of his shots were weird line drives from outside 10 feet.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah also for all of the talk that Hassan takes it to the hole and dunks more than Nurk, he takes a lot of bad shots and his shot is so much uglier than Nurk's. Tonight he was 3 for 8 and a few of his shots were weird line drives from outside 10 feet.
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Hassan is a better finisher than Nurk. That fact is undebatable.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah also for all of the talk that Hassan takes it to the hole and dunks more than Nurk, he takes a lot of bad shots and his shot is so much uglier than Nurk's. Tonight he was 3 for 8 and a few of his shots were weird line drives from outside 10 feet.
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The bad shots are the ones that don't go in. Nurkic could learn from Whiteside, not the other way around,
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah he is but Nurk is the better overall offensive player because he facilitates, sets better screens and is still a decent finisher even if Hassan is slightly better.
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Hassan is having an MVP caliber year. He is 9th in the league in PER. The players ahead of him in order: Giannis, Luka, Harden, AD, Dame, Kawhi, LeBron, and Jokic. That’s it. All of the players ahead of him are MVP candidates.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah also for all of the talk that Hassan takes it to the hole and dunks more than Nurk, he takes a lot of bad shots and his shot is so much uglier than Nurk's. Tonight he was 3 for 8 and a few of his shots were weird line drives from outside 10 feet.
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Hassan Whiteside is #8 in the NBA in true shooting percentage at 64.2 percent. Obviously that is very good.
Jusuf Nurkic ranked #60 in true shooting percentage last season. He was around #15 for centers. Whiteside is #4 for centers this season.
 
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blazerkor said:
Yeah also for all of the talk that Hassan takes it to the hole and dunks more than Nurk, he takes a lot of bad shots and his shot is so much uglier than Nurk's. Tonight he was 3 for 8 and a few of his shots were weird line drives from outside 10 feet.
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wut?

Nurk last season....Hassan this season

FG%: Nurkic .508....Whiteside .613
2ptFG%: Nurkic .513....Whiteside .614
eFG%: Nurkic .510....Whiteside .615
TS%: Nurkic .570....Whiteside .642
FG% at Rim (0-3'): Nurkic .603....Whiteside .714
FG% from 3-10': Nurkic .417....Whiteside .545
FG% from 10-16': Nurkic .391....Whiteside .380
FG% from 16-23': Nurkic .430....Whiteside .432
% of FGA > Dunks: Nurkic .097....Whiteside .181

it's almost a clean sweep for Whiteside, and most of the gaps are huge

I swear, it just seems that some people decided early to hate Whiteside and believe all the negative chatter about him and amplify it, at the same time they are romanticizing how good Nurkic was
 
wizenheimer said:
wut?

Nurk last season....Hassan this season

FG%: Nurkic .508....Whiteside .613
2ptFG%: Nurkic .513....Whiteside .614
eFG%: Nurkic .510....Whiteside .615
TS%: Nurkic .570....Whiteside .642
FG% at Rim (0-3'): Nurkic .603....Whiteside .714
FG% from 3-10': Nurkic .417....Whiteside .545
FG% from 10-16': Nurkic .391....Whiteside .380
FG% from 16-23': Nurkic .430....Whiteside .432
% of FGA > Dunks: Nurkic .097....Whiteside .181

it's almost a clean sweep for Whiteside, and most of the gaps are huge

I swear, it just seems that some people decided early to hate Whiteside and believe all the negative chatter about him and amplify it, at the same time they are romanticizing how good Nurkic was
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I'm not taking sides, but do you have made attempts (per game) from 10-16' and 16'-23' to compare? I wonder if teams defend the two the same from distance.
 
Tince said:
I'm not taking sides, but do you have made attempts (per game) from 10-16' and 16'-23' to compare? I wonder if teams defend the two the same from distance.
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it's at bbref, but you have to dig a little for a player comparison. They have that for the team each years for instance:

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at bbref, you can organize by a column to get team rankings for a specific distance
 

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wizenheimer said:
it's at bbref, but you have to dig a little for a player comparison. They have that for the team each years for instance:

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at bbref, you can organize by a column to get team rankings for a specific distance
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Without doing the exact math, it looks like Nurk takes less than 1 more attempt past 10ft than Whiteside. Not as big of a difference as I would've guessed.
 
I live Nurk but the only Blazer to have numbers like Hassan is Walton, one of the best centers ever.

I am more concerned about keeping Trent when his deal is up. He keeps this kind of play up and he may be staring at a MIP award over his fireplace next year. Shit he will only get better too. BRAVO Neil for that one.

It's cool as fuck to see a guy, who everyone passed over in the draft as shite, to work and earn his spot. He keeps this up and I think he should strongly be considered as starting SG.

Oh and fuck Donovan AKA the choir boy Mitchell. GT can talk as much as he damn well pleases.
 
Windstorm knocked out power from just after 4PM to 12:36 AM. I did check final score but no TV and needed to preserve cell phone battery.

Fed Lucia by flashlight, but she didn't get her saucer of milk until power back on.

We are OK. And Blazers won.
 
Tince said:
Without doing the exact math, it looks like Nurk takes less than 1 more attempt past 10ft than Whiteside. Not as big of a difference as I would've guessed.
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you might be able to find those kind of numbers at NBA.com without doing math. It takes a lot of effort to wade thru all the pages and numbers there though

quick math says Hassan takes 82.3% of his shots within 10' while Nurkic took 81.4% of his shots there. So the number of shots they take outside of 10' is small; Nurkic took 2.1 shots/game and Whiteside 1.8 shots/game. So they both convert into FG's less than 1 shot a game from that distance, somewhere in the 0.7-0.8 FG's/game. In other words, there's no significant difference there, and neither is a threat from that distance

they do their scoring in the paint, and Whiteside has a significant efficiency advantage in that area. He shoots around 65.3% in the paint vs Nurkic at 54.4%. Big difference.

now, one scoring efficiency stat that Nurkic had an advantage was in FT's. He scored 3.6 points/36 vs Whiteside at 3.1. But, I'm thinking this is connected to a bigger advantage Nurkic has/had over Whiteside. Nurkic is more comfortable in the high post. He sets a little better screen than Whiteside, his timing is better, and he rolls more effectively than Whiteside. IMO, that's why Nurkic's FT rate was .442 while Whiteside's was .352. Dame and Nurk had an excellent 2 man game going last year and Nurkic was often catching the ball in positions the opponents were vulnerable to shooting fouls. Here's the thing though, it took Dame and Nurkic time to build that synergy. The year before last, Nurkic's FT rate was only .287. I have little doubt that Dame and Whiteside could develop a better connection if they had another season as the starting combo. That likely won't be the case though. Another advantage Nurkic has was that Turner was better at finding him in scoring position than Bazemore, Simons, and Hazonja have been for Whiteside

I think one advantage Whiteside has is better hands in traffic. He doesn't fumble as many passes and rebounds as Nurkic did. That's one reason why Whiteside leads the NBA in 2nd-chance points at 5.0/game. Nurkic averaged 3.6 a game
 
wizenheimer said:
you might be able to find those kind of numbers at NBA.com without doing math. It takes a lot of effort to wade thru all the pages and numbers there though

quick math says Hassan takes 82.3% of his shots within 10' while Nurkic took 81.4% of his shots there. So the number of shots they take outside of 10' is small; Nurkic took 2.1 shots/game and Whiteside 1.8 shots/game. So they both convert into FG's less than 1 shot a game from that distance, somewhere in the 0.7-0.8 FG's/game. In other words, there's no significant difference there, and neither is a threat from that distance

they do their scoring in the paint, and Whiteside has a significant efficiency advantage in that area. He shoots around 65.3% in the paint vs Nurkic at 54.4%. Big difference.

now, one scoring efficiency stat that Nurkic had an advantage was in FT's. He scored 3.6 points/36 vs Whiteside at 3.1. But, I'm thinking this is connected to a bigger advantage Nurkic has/had over Whiteside. Nurkic is more comfortable in the high post. He sets a little better screen than Whiteside, his timing is better, and he rolls more effectively than Whiteside. IMO, that's why Nurkic's FT rate was .442 while Whiteside's was .352. Dame and Nurk had an excellent 2 man game going last year and Nurkic was often catching the ball in positions the opponents were vulnerable to shooting fouls. Here's the thing though, it took Dame and Nurkic time to build that synergy. The year before last, Nurkic's FT rate was only .287. I have little doubt that Dame and Whiteside could develop a better connection if they had another season as the starting combo. That likely won't be the case though. Another advantage Nurkic has was that Turner was better at finding him in scoring position than Bazemore, Simons, and Hazonja have been for Whiteside

I think one advantage Whiteside has is better hands in traffic. He doesn't fumble as many passes and rebounds as Nurkic did. That's one reason why Whiteside leads the NBA in 2nd-chance points at 5.0/game. Nurkic averaged 3.6 a game
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All these analytical statistics...
I myst be old because i cannit imagine more worthless numbers outside the 2020 republican primaries.
Meaningless numbers that fail to account many variables including shot clock, defensive strategies, etc;
Worthless numbers.
 
Wade Garrett said:
All these analytical statistics...
I myst be old because i cannit imagine more worthless numbers outside the 2020 republican primaries.
Meaningless numbers that fail to account many variables including shot clock, defensive strategies, etc;
Worthless numbers.
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Whoa there..... Throwin mustard today i see.
 
Wade Garrett said:
All these analytical statistics...
I myst be old because i cannit imagine more worthless numbers outside the 2020 republican primaries.
Meaningless numbers that fail to account many variables including shot clock, defensive strategies, etc;
Worthless numbers.
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ok fine...there worthless to you even though you can't say why they have no value, other than vague insinuations about "variables"

They aren't worthless though otherwise every NBA team wouldn't use numbers like these in all their analytics. It's also not worthless to say if player A is scoring 1.3 points/shot and player B is scoring 1.03 points/shot, you want player A shooting more and player B shooting less. If player C has an assist/turnover ratio of 2.8 and player D has one of 0.8, you want player C seting up the offense over player D. Sometimes that's easy to determine with an eye test. Sometimes it's not

one thing I've noticed is that people are often very dismissive of stats when they don't conform to their bias. It's one thing to be skeptical of a single stat or two showing a 'conclusion' you don't like. It's another thing when a large number of stats confirm that conclusion and the result is you say stats are worthless
 
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