Game of Thrones SPOILERS (1 Viewer)

[donkiez]

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Yeah I think the TV only people were hurt a lot more by the Red Wedding for just that reason. Everyone who read the books assumed Robb was not going to be too big because GRRM never made him one of the "perspective characters". The Red Wedding was sort of shocking but I always expected Robb to die before his brothers. I think TV people were completely blind sided. Also maybe the lack of detail made them forget the Ned Stark incident whereas readers had a better grasp that with a GRRM book no one is safe any anyone can go at any time.

Blindsided is a understatement. I read that people have been emailing complaints to HBO about it, lol. I'm glad I didn't read the books now though because it made that episode that much better. It's a pretty brilliant move to put so much time into character development for the purpose of creating such genuine hate for the Lansiters from the audience. I feel like last night the Lanisters bought the Lakers, resigned Dwight and picked up Lebron in free agency!

 

[Natebishop3]

Blindsided is a understatement. I read that people have been emailing complaints to HBO about it, lol. I'm glad I didn't read the books now though because it made that episode that much better. It's a pretty brilliant move to put so much time into character development for the purpose of creating such genuine hate for the Lansiters from the audience. I feel like last night the Lanisters bought the Lakers, resigned Dwight and picked up Lebron in free agency!

LOL, if people are really emailing HBO, it says a lot about the state of this country.

 

[donkiez]

LOL, if people are really emailing HBO, it says a lot about the state of this country.

This is good for a laugh.

http://m.today.com/entertainment/game-thrones-star-fans-left-tears-after-red-wedding-6C10168068

"Honestly I think they took it too far. His wife isn't pregnant or at the red wedding in the book. I read the books and I wasn't prepared for the brutality of it. It was the most brutal thing I ever saw on a TV show," wrote Michael Poretti.

Some were so upset by the turn of events on "Game of Thrones" they took to HBO's website to complain:

"I have never seen anything as vile, disheartening, hurtful, and revelous in the bloodshed of heroes as this episode," wrote David on HBO.com. "Yeah, winter is coming HBO ... to your ratings."

"So - when you eliminate just about every character that I care about, then continue to kill anyone with any sense of moral compass with such vengeance so as to punish them for even thinking that principles mattered, allow the wretched and evil to win over and over again and gain more power, and basically remove any and all hope of anything good ever happening (because how can I enjoy a show when every character I liked is now dead,) why is it exactly that I should continue watching?" wrote Tony.

 

[Rhal]

This has made me really interested in the reactions that people will have in the next episode. Especially all the people citing "Evil has won". Nothing as shocking as the Red Wedding but there is a lot that will be a real "treat" to see peoples reactions about in next weeks episode.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This has made me really interested in the reactions that people will have in the next episode. Especially all the people citing "Evil has won". Nothing as shocking as the Red Wedding but there is a lot that will be a real "treat" to see peoples reactions about in next weeks episode.

Please, enough with the spoiler hints.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hollywood has created this "good guys must win" feeling in every movie, so that when good guys start dropping like flies, people literally start freaking the fuck out. I remember reading that part of the books and it totally blew me away. Gotta love how GRRM will just kill people, regardless of how central they are to the story.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

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Why are people bitching about the red wedding? At least they didn't sew Grey Wind's head onto Robb's body in the show. I'm sure people who didn't read the books would find it much worse if they did that.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Interesting, up till this point it has felt like they were the main story. Makes me reevalute where I thought this show was going.

Robb is not a central character in the book at all. Weird how the show has focused so much on him.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Hollywood has created this "good guys must win" feeling in every movie, so that when good guys start dropping like flies, people literally start freaking the fuck out. I remember reading that part of the books and it totally blew me away. Gotta love how GRRM will just kill people, regardless of how central they are to the story.

Best part about the books - its hard to decipher between good buys and bad guys at times. They all do things for reasons, but I'm sure more people pity Jaime now than they did before - or Greyjoy who is dealing with mr. super psycho torturer, Snow.

 

[Eastoff]

Please, enough with the spoiler hints.

this thread is named "Game of Thrones SPOILERS"

 

[Eastoff]

Hollywood has created this "good guys must win" feeling in every movie, so that when good guys start dropping like flies, people literally start freaking the fuck out. I remember reading that part of the books and it totally blew me away. Gotta love how GRRM will just kill people, regardless of how central they are to the story.

Yeah, I kind of wonder if maybe everybody really is going to die, and the white walkers will have their long winter for a thousand years.

 

[Eastoff]

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Why are people bitching about the red wedding? At least they didn't sew Grey Wind's head onto Robb's body in the show. I'm sure people who didn't read the books would find it much worse if they did that.

That's next week's episode DUMMY! way to spoil it.

 

[mook]

Yeah, I kind of wonder if maybe everybody really is going to die, and the white walkers will have their long winter for a thousand years.

I haven't read all the books, but it seems pretty inevitable that an epic battle between white walkers and dragons will eventually commence. Hard to see how the zombies win that one. Unless, of course, a dragon dies and gets transmogrified into a zombie. It'd be pretty awesome to devote all those pages just to set up an epic zombie dragon battle.

The Red Wedding and the Battle of the Blackwater were my two favorite chapters in the books so far. And I gotta say, they stand out the most in the HBO series as well.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Robb is not a central character in the book at all. Weird how the show has focused so much on him.

I don't think Robb was really focused on per se, but I wonder if a lot of new viewers post-season 1 seem to think the Starks are the "heroes" of the show (a fallacy that ended in Season 1 for some viewers).

 

[mobes23]

I don't think Robb was really focused on per se, but I wonder if a lot of new viewers post-season 1 seem to think the Starks are the "heroes" of the show (a fallacy that ended in Season 1 for some viewers).

Having read all the books, I still suspect that the Starks will be huge at the end of the series. Of course, that assumes that any of them are still alive at that point.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Having read all the books, I still suspect that the Starks will be huge at the end of the series. Of course, that assumes that any of them are still alive at that point.

I have to agree, take into account that the current book he is working on, titled "Winds of Winter" was orginally to be called something like "A Time for Wolves" . Then he realized he could never wrap up the story in one book..now it will be three more...

 

[ppilot]

I have to agree, take into account that the current book he is working on, titled "Winds of Winter" was orginally to be called something like "A Time for Wolves" . Then he realized he could never wrap up the story in one book..now it will be three more...

I think it's only two more, but that can obviously change. Considering how long it takes him to get a single book out that last book is probably at least 10 years. away.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Having read all the books, I still suspect that the Starks will be huge at the end of the series. Of course, that assumes that any of them are still alive at that point.

I'm only 1/4 of the way through book 5 (actually, I found an e-book that combined 4 and 5 in chronological order, and so I'm reading that), but I've decided that if GRRM kills Arya, I'm done with the story, even if there's 10 pages left. F that noise.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I'm only 1/4 of the way through book 5 (actually, I found an e-book that combined 4 and 5 in chronological order, and so I'm reading that), but I've decided that if GRRM kills Arya, I'm done with the story, even if there's 10 pages left. F that noise.

hmmmm...wellllll, aaahhh , you should stop reading now then....j/k

 

[PapaG]

I'm pretty surprised at how well the book-readers have been able to not spoil this part of the show for the TV-only viewers.

I've been waiting for the Red Wedding for 2 years, and it didn't disappoint at all!

 

[PapaG]

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Why are people bitching about the red wedding? At least they didn't sew Grey Wind's head onto Robb's body in the show. I'm sure people who didn't read the books would find it much worse if they did that.

They still may have. It just wasn't shown. Plus, in the book, the Red Wedding wasn't given a chapter, which is why I was anticipating it on TV. Martin basically wrote "oh, and Robb Stark was murdered by the Boltons and Freys, and they sewed his direwolves head onto his body and put it up at the gate". That's how I remember it in the book.

 

[Rhal]

They still may have. It just wasn't shown. Plus, in the book, the Red Wedding wasn't given a chapter, which is why I was anticipating it on TV. Martin basically wrote "oh, and Robb Stark was murdered by the Boltons and Freys, and they sewed his direwolves head onto his body and put it up at the gate". That's how I remember it in the book.

It was fairly detailed in the book. It was just from catalyns point of view.

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[PapaG]

It was fairly detailed in the book. It was just from catalyns point of view.

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True, but it wasn't "live action". I liked the scene a lot, but I can see how somebody who hadn't been spoiled would react. Robb Stark has basically been held up as the hero of the TV series so far, so it would be as shocking to see him die as it was for me when Ned Stark lost his head (which was before I read the books).

 

[Run BJM]

True, but it wasn't "live action". I liked the scene a lot, but I can see how somebody who hadn't been spoiled would react. Robb Stark has basically been held up as the hero of the TV series so far, so it would be as shocking to see him die as it was for me when Ned Stark lost his head (which was before I read the books).

Uhhhh I think it was pretty much live action...from Catelyn's point of view. The stuff about sewing the wolf's head onto Robb's body was all second hand info you learn later since the chapter ends when Catelyn dies, but she sees everything that happens and its explained in detail as far as I remember.

The Red Wedding and the Battle of the Blackwater were my two favorite chapters in the books so far. And I gotta say, they stand out the most in the HBO series as well.

Danaerys' brother getting crowned is up there for me.

 

[TripTango]

Uhhhh I think it was pretty much live action...from Catelyn's point of view. The stuff about sewing the wolf's head onto Robb's body was all second hand info you learn later since the chapter ends when Catelyn dies, but she sees everything that happens and its explained in detail as far as I remember.

Yup.

'The white tears and the red ones ran together until her face was torn and tattered, the face that Ned had loved. Catelyn Stark raised her hands and watched the blood run down her long fingers, over her wrists, beneath the sleeves of her gown. Slow red worms crawled along her arms and under her clothes. It tickles. That made her laugh until she screamed. “Mad,” someone said, “she’s lost her wits,” and someone else said, “Make an end,” and a hand grabbed her scalp just as she’d done with Jinglebell, and she thought, No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair. Then the steel was at her throat, and its bite was red and cold.'

 

[PapaG]

Uhhhh I think it was pretty much live action...from Catelyn's point of view. The stuff about sewing the wolf's head onto Robb's body was all second hand info you learn later since the chapter ends when Catelyn dies, but she sees everything that happens and its explained in detail as far as I remember.

Danaerys' brother getting crowned is up there for me.

I don't remember it that way, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[Eastoff]

I don't remember it that way, but I'll take your word for it.

Maybe you can re-read the books! It's always fun to pick up on the endless amounts of foreshadowing Martin does.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Maybe you can re-read the books! It's always fun to pick up on the endless amounts of foreshadowing Martin does.

yeah, with these books, it is almost a must. I was blown away by how much more I picked up in the seconed reading, and unlike most books, the reread was as enjoyable as the first time through.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

It was fairly detailed in the book. It was just from catalyns point of view.

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oh, yeah, very harsh to read. So many "good guys" getting slaughtered, Littlejon fighting with a leg of mutton...being hit with a bolt in the mouth...seems there was pleanty of detail to me, and more came out after the fact from other POVs.

 

[Rhal]

yeah, with these books, it is almost a must. I was blown away by how much more I picked up in the seconed reading, and unlike most books, the reread was as enjoyable as the first time through.

I agree, iv reread the first three books several times and need to reread the last two. You pick up on so much more the second time through and Martin foreshadows just about every shocking event that takes place.
The debate that happens when you talk to other book readers about what you think is going to happen and why has been my favorite thing about this series since I started talking to people about it during that seemingly endless wait for book 4.

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