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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Just read that the picks we gave up were the best of the Minny/Lakers 2nd rounder in 2019 (not a big deal) but the other one was the Miami 2021 2nd rounder. Like @Sarni mentioned the Heat could be really bad by then.

I doubt a Riley built team will ever be too bad though.
 
He has abilities. The kid can shoot from top of the key, Fearless Swish 3 player and he drives down the middle. I like the acquisition. He was coached by Coach K which is an added asset too. He can improve his defense as long as he doesn't pay attention to Meyers.
 
Personally, I think Korver is an exponentially better shooter.

Don’t recall Crabbe coming off screens at 110 miles per hour and shooting in one motion. Korver is insane.

Otherwise, I agree. Not everyone is a star and Crabbe isn’t a complete failure.

Yes, who are the guys you know you don't leave open? Korver, Redick, Ingles, Klay. Because you know they will take every attempt you give them. Crabbe looks to be better than he was in Portland, but I wouldn't put him in the feared elite group.
 
Just want to point out too that out of NCAA freshmen, Trent was 3rd in 3pt makes (97) not far behind first place Trae Young (118).
 
We hear for years that Dame and C.J. are two small combo guards that can't coexist. We take another small combo guard with the 24th pick and people bitch about that.

So, we take a 6'6" SG in the second round and now people are bitching that we passed on yet another 6'3" combo guard.

I think sometimes (most of the time) people just like to find something to complain about.

No one we were going to take at 24th and 37th was going to propel us into contention this season. So, we took a pair of 19-year olds with upside. Not sure why that's considered bad.

I get that Khryi Thomas may be better than Gary Trent Jr. today (and even that is debatable), but where will Gary Trent Jr. (and Anfrnee Simons) be three years from now when they are the same age as Thomas, with three seasons of NBA experience under their belts? One, or both, may break out. One, or both, may end up total busts. Those are the risks associated with the draft in general, but especially when drafting at 24 and 37.

BNM
I love how someone so stat oriented forgot to look at standing reach. Thomas Standing reach is 5 inches more than Dame/CJ and 3 inches more than Trents. Simons is taller than Trents as well.
 
I love how someone so stat oriented forgot to look at standing reach. Thomas Standing reach is 5 inches more than Dame/CJ and 3 inches more than Trents. Simons is taller than Trents as well.

Standing reach is not the same thing as release point. You know that. Trent Jr. has a higher release point than either Simons or Thomas.

Of course, on the other end of the floor, standing reach helps out defensively.

Trent Jr. being "bigger" isn't just about height and reach. He's also heavier and stronger, which he uses to his advantage.

At the end of the day, these guys are 19 years old. We won't know for a few years, at least, if they were the right picks.

BNM
 
Standing reach is not the same thing as release point. You know that. Trent Jr. has a higher release point than either Simons or Thomas.

Of course, on the other end of the floor, standing reach helps out defensively.

Trent Jr. being "bigger" isn't just about height and reach. He's also heavier and stronger, which he uses to his advantage.

At the end of the day, these guys are 19 years old. We won't know for a few years, at least, if they were the right picks.

BNM
I don't think Khyri Thomas's "release point" is going to be a problem. It's likely higher that Trents.
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"Trends heavier and stronger" - he's not amgonna be able to bully-drive in the NBA.

What's another problem with poor standing reach? An inability to contest. Trent is way too slow and poor defensively to contest shots. He'll be worse than CJ on that end.

You're using flawed logic by trying to act like Trent is the biggest guard out of the 4 and that somehow, since he's 6'6, that means he's not undersized while Thomas is, and that's the end all, be-all.
 
I don't think Khyri Thomas's "release point" is going to be a problem. It's likely higher that Trents.
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"Trends heavier and stronger" - he's not amgonna be able to bully-drive in the NBA.

What's another problem with poor standing reach? An inability to contest. Trent is way too slow and poor defensively to contest shots. He'll be worse than CJ on that end.

You're using flawed logic by trying to act like Trent is the biggest guard out of the 4 and that somehow, since he's 6'6, that means he's not undersized while Thomas is, and that's the end all, be-all.

Three things:

1) Photos taken from a low angle always make players look much higher off the floor than the actually are. It's an old trick.

2) That's not his form from 3. This is:

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3) We'll see. Too soon to say who will end up the better pro. There are reasons they were available at 37/38.

BNM
 
If Thomas would not have been on Blazers radar, then I might have been upset. But Blazers evaluated Thomas, Simons, Trent and more at games and in the gym with much more stryngency then we can possibly have just looking a pictures, video and measurements. They looked at all those players and chose the two they think have the brightest future. If Thomas didn't come with some question marks I think he would have been taken before Grayson Allen.
 
If Thomas would not have been on Blazers radar, then I might have been upset. But Blazers evaluated Thomas, Simons, Trent and more at games and in the gym with much more stryngency then we can possibly have just looking a pictures, video and measurements. They looked at all those players and chose the two they think have the brightest future. If Thomas didn't come with some question marks I think he would have been taken before Grayson Allen.
What is Thomas' question marks? His age and ball handling are the only two right?
 
If Thomas would not have been on Blazers radar, then I might have been upset. But Blazers evaluated Thomas, Simons, Trent and more at games and in the gym with much more stryngency then we can possibly have just looking a pictures, video and measurements. They looked at all those players and chose the two they think have the brightest future. If Thomas didn't come with some question marks I think he would have been taken before Grayson Allen.
You forgot to mention the psychological and personality tests, and the interviews with coaches and others. The Blazers do their homework. I for one am not in a position to second guess them on choosing one player over another similar player based on those other intangibles.
 
What is Thomas' question marks? His age and ball handling are the only two right?

Those are pretty big ones though for where you would slot him in. I think in NO's mind he would compare Thomas to what Simons and/or Trent would be at age 22.

Others:
Weaknesses: The age of a senior. Turns 22 in May giving him less upside compared with most of the other prospects available for this year's draft. Likely cannot afford to wait another season to enter draft ... Not adept as a facilitator/ball handler in pick and roll situations ... A solid athlete with good efficiency in transition, however he lacks elite explosiveness ... Could be more aggressive taking the ball to the basket and drawing contact and free throw opportunities ... At times seems too content to park in the corner and look for catch and shoot opportunities ... May struggle to free himself against bigger and better athletes as he lacks a great first step ... Solid passer though not a player that necessarily creates open looks for others with his passing ... Appears to be more of a 2 foot jumper making him a little less fluid in finishing on the break ... Could improve upon his ability to set up defenders running them off of screeens and staying more active off the ball ...
 
I would have liked Khyri picked by our team in the 2nd round but there are more than those two:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/15/k...outing-report-highlights-strengths-mock-draft

Portland had him in to work out yet passed on him in the draft. I would like to believe for a reason.
I understand they had him in for a workout, I'm not disputing that they obviously liked others more.

Every weakness listed there is age related, ball handling related, or athleticism related. Defense to me is more about effort, understanding the concepts (like when to help, when to gamble on steals, when to lay off your man), having quick reactions mentally, and positioning. Sure athleticism helps but I like to go by what I saw on the court and that guy can defend extremely well.
 
Three things:

1) Photos taken from a low angle always make players look much higher off the floor than the actually are. It's an old trick.

2) That's not his form from 3. This is:

khyri-thomas-of-the-creighton-bluejays-takes-a-jump-shot-during-a-picture-id640278434


3) We'll see. Too soon to say who will end up the better pro. There are reasons they were available at 37/38.

BNM
I was showing his release point, which ti were talking about, not his set point. His release is high with great extension, due in part to his wingspan.

This argument is about you thinking Trent isn't undersized but Thomas is. That's false unless you only look at height. That's my point.
 
You forgot to mention the psychological and personality tests, and the interviews with coaches and others. The Blazers do their homework. I for one am not in a position to second guess them on choosing one player over another similar player based on those other intangibles.

I agree 95%. 5% was held out for Biebs. I think they got enamored with his shooting and size and didn't see something missing between his ears.
 
OK, I didn't know that some guy named Pelton has a formula for predicting 3 pt success. I truly do hope that Trent will be a great shooter. Maybe there is some evidence that he hits wide open shots at a very high rate, which is something we need. I would still rather draft only two way players. So I was frustrated.

And I just today thought of something else (JLPRK ) is gonna like this!). Olshey apparently claimed he tried to make a deal for an impact player using the TPE and draft picks. Now he says he will use players off our roster plus the TPE. Well, why did he have to wait until the draft was over to realize this? Why couldn't he have used a combination of draft pick(s) and players and the TPE?
Now those draft picks aren't really much of an asset, because Olshey picked them; the other team's GM won't have a chance to make his picks. So yeh, I'm not impressed with Olshey's work so far.
 
What if, having seen both players in workouts, they decided Trent had a better chance of getting his shot off against NBA defenders? What if, they were more interested in playing him some a SF? You can’t measure those things in raw stats. And that isn’t even to mention professionalism, aggression and work ethic.
Maybe Olshey should come out and tell us exactly what he based it on; I'd like to hear.
 
Standing reach is not the same thing as release point. You know that. Trent Jr. has a higher release point than either Simons or Thomas.

Of course, on the other end of the floor, standing reach helps out defensively.

Trent Jr. being "bigger" isn't just about height and reach. He's also heavier and stronger, which he uses to his advantage.

At the end of the day, these guys are 19 years old. We won't know for a few years, at least, if they were the right picks.

BNM
And I'll be watching them both for years. If I'm wrong I'll come out and say so; but if I'm right I think I will just sneer in private and hope somebody remembers. :)
 
OK, I didn't know that some guy named Pelton has a formula for predicting 3 pt success. I truly do hope that Trent will be a great shooter. Maybe there is some evidence that he hits wide open shots at a very high rate, which is something we need. I would still rather draft only two way players. So I was frustrated.

And I just today thought of something else (JLPRK ) is gonna like this!). Olshey apparently claimed he tried to make a deal for an impact player using the TPE and draft picks. Now he says he will use players off our roster plus the TPE. Well, why did he have to wait until the draft was over to realize this? Why couldn't he have used a combination of draft pick(s) and players and the TPE?
Now those draft picks aren't really much of an asset, because Olshey picked them; the other team's GM won't have a chance to make his picks. So yeh, I'm not impressed with Olshey's work so far.
TPE can't be combined with players
 
Maybe Olshey should come out and tell us exactly what he based it on; I'd like to hear.

I don’t think Olshey would give that information because it would be disparaging to the players he didn’t pick and likely make others think twice about working out in Portland.
 
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