Gavin and CIP were at it again this morning

[noknobs]

Notice, I didn't mention Amare in my previous posts, as I agree he isn't a classic center. Amare was drafted as a Power Forward, ended up playing center for a very rare system, and is now back at Forward.

So, you are not arguing my point, or the original poster's point, you are arguing for those radio dudes.

The OP mentioned Amare, and he compared Amare's stats to Oden, and I was responding to that. How can you say I'm not arguing the original poster's point?... You really are acting like an idiot.

per36 stats aren't "stupid".

It is just data.

People who don't understand the numbers are stupid.

I understand the numbers are completely fictional. I understand them perfectly.

As for folks who are actually interested in the topic, Oden's impact on games so far this season has been limited.

Then what the hell is your problem, you clearly agree with me.

Since Oden has some potential excuses (conditioning, coming off knee surgery, foot injury, plagued with foul trouble), fans are curious if he can stay healthy, improve his conditioning and limit fouls, what kind of numbers could he POSSIBLY put up for the 2nd half of the season and next season.

Per36 stats give those fans a starting point to work with. I don't see anything wrong with that.

A starting point to what? It's completely made up. The OP was attempting to prove that Oden's rookie year is right on par with Yao/Howard/Amare's rookie years, and that's just false. I don't think Oden is underachieving exactly, you just listed a bunch of reason why his numbers should improve. I've been a huge defender of Oden and think everyone just needs to be patient. But using per36 stats and thinking you've proven he's had just as good a rookie year as those other three is flat out wrong.

Get a grip.

 

[RayDavies]

Both of them are jerkoffs! Here's some info that will prove that Gavin is a complete tool! He is no longer able to go to the Blazer games because he had his media credentials revoked!!!!! What a fuck! He gave his media pass to one of his friends and his boy tried to get into the locker room post game! A couple team reps recognized the name, and not the face and kicked the guy out! So how does one give an educated opinion on the team, when he can't even go to the games! Nice work you fuckin dork!

That's like the least surprising thing ever. I love how those guys douche it up and talk about themselves like they are the shit (la familia, people's champ- lol), but they are just a couple of nerds. Ugh, listening to most sports radio makes me wanna kill myself, but these two take the cake.

 

[julius]

That's like the least surprising thing ever. I love how those guys douche it up and talk about themselves like they are the shit (la familia, people's champ- lol), but they are just a couple of nerds. Ugh, listening to most sports radio makes me wanna kill myself, but these two take the cake.

the morning guys at the Game have gotten worse over the months, but I'm not sure if they're any different than the idiots at the Fan.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Both of them are jerkoffs! Here's some info that will prove that Gavin is a complete tool! He is no longer able to go to the Blazer games because he had his media credentials revoked!!!!! What a fuck! He gave his media pass to one of his friends and his boy tried to get into the locker room post game! A couple team reps recognized the name, and not the face and kicked the guy out! So how does one give an educated opinion on the team, when he can't even go to the games! Nice work you fuckin dork!

Biggest BONER move ever!
Peoples CHUMP!

 

[maxiep]

Those two sound like a very good reason not to listen to sports radio in the morning, if at all. Try 91.5 instead. Kristian Foden-Vencil is quite relaxing.

 

[PapaG]

So in your case, you're a Vulcan idiot then?

This is the type of reaction you expect toward a Blazer TV employee when one of the out of town mods can't control himself enough to refrain from profanely insulting posters who don't agree with him.

 

[PapaG]

Those two sound like a very good reason not to listen to sports radio in the morning, if at all. Try 91.5 instead. Kristian Foden-Vencil is quite relaxing.

Cowherd on 1080am or Dennis Miller on 970am are the two I play tetherball with in the morning.

 

[ehizzy3]

man, gavin used to be pretty good back when he did post games for 1080, and the saturday shows. ever since he got a full time show, its gone to his head

 

[ehizzy3]

both of them are jerkoffs! Here's some info that will prove that gavin is a complete tool! He is no longer able to go to the blazer games because he had his media credentials revoked!!!!! What a fuck! He gave his media pass to one of his friends and his boy tried to get into the locker room post game! A couple team reps recognized the name, and not the face and kicked the guy out! So how does one give an educated opinion on the team, when he can't even go to the games! Nice work you fuckin dork!

la familia!!!

 

[alex42083]

Both of them are jerkoffs! Here's some info that will prove that Gavin is a complete tool! He is no longer able to go to the Blazer games because he had his media credentials revoked!!!!! What a fuck! He gave his media pass to one of his friends and his boy tried to get into the locker room post game! A couple team reps recognized the name, and not the face and kicked the guy out! So how does one give an educated opinion on the team, when he can't even go to the games! Nice work you fuckin dork!

That's good stuff right there. Wouldn't surprise me if he asked for autographs inside the locker room. The guy just gets more unprofessional by the day, and all the success has gone to his head like it's his right to attend the games instead of it being a privilege.
I'm glad the team manned up and took away his credentials. Maybe that'll show him to get his shit together and start acting like a .. in his words... a "jobber".

 

[mgb]

They play devil's advocate all the time. There's no shame in that.

You can go ahead and look at the numbers all you want. Greg has been unimpressive in the vast majority of the games this season. He's had nowhere near the impact that any of the guys Gavin and CIP were talking about had their rookie years. It's disappointing any way you look at it.

There's plenty of factors that might be contributing to why Greg has been so disappointing. It's entirely possible that Monday was a breakout game for Greg and he'll be great for the rest of the season.

But don't go raggin' on media types for pointing out the obvious.

I think it's obvious none of those players played their rookie season after sitting out a year because of injury. To compare their rookie years is ridiculous. We'll never know what Oden would have done his rookie year if he wasn't injured and out for the season.

 

[Uther TheGardener]

That's good stuff right there. Wouldn't surprise me if he asked for autographs inside the locker room. The guy just gets more unprofessional by the day, and all the success has gone to his head like it's his right to attend the games instead of it being a privilege.
I'm glad the team manned up and took away his credentials. Maybe that'll show him to get his shit together and start acting like a .. in his words... a "jobber".

actually that is most likely why he is acting like a jobber!

I have to admit that, Kenny and Katie were what i liked most was mad they got the boot...then they family shows up and i didnt like then at first but came around..but they have been really getting on my nerves about the blazers lately. Why do they have to be minicannedhams?

 

[alex42083]

actually that is most likely why he is acting like a jobber!

Oops. I actually meant 'stop' acting like a jobber!

 

[ucatchtrout]

This morning on 95.5 Gavin and CIP were comparing Greg's rookie year to Dwight Howard/Amare Stoudemire/Yao Ming rookie years. They were convinced that those three players had much better rookie years, and that Greg was underachieving. On the surface, I suppose I can understand how someone could think that, but I decided to do a little digging.

My initial thoughts were this:
Orlando/Phoenix/Houston all had worse than a 41-41 record the year previous to drafting, or in Portland's case, actively playing their franchise caliber big. This would lead to their (ORL/PHO/HOU) franchise big being more the centerpiece of the offense, thus allowing them to accumulate more impressive stats and play more minutes. Conversely, Greg is our 3rd (or 4th behind Blake) option on offense behind two players (Roy/Aldridge) that averaged close to 20pts per game the year BEFORE Greg "arrived." Of course we have to take in to account Greg's foul problems, which limits his minutes as well, so I compared his fouls per game vs the others, and of course Greg avg's more FPG. But that is a FIXABLE problem. Greg just has to learn how to stay out of foul trouble which is a technique thing not an inherent skill (only 2 fouls in his last game, which led to 24pts and 15rbs). Defenders CAN and DO develop better technique and decision making.

Just look at the numbers below:

Dwight Howard
Rookie year ('04-'05): 12pts 10rbs 52%fg
Avg Minutes Played: 32.6
Fouls per game: 2.8
Orlando All-Stars ('04-'05): Grant Hill
Orlando record previous year ('03-'04): 21-61

Amare Stoudamire
Rookie year ('02-'03): 14pts 9rbs 47%fg
Avg Minutes Played: 31.3
Fouls per game: 3.3
Phoenix All-Stars ('02-'03): Stephon Marbury/Shawn Marion
Phoenix record previous year ('01-'02): 36-46

Yao Ming
Rookie year ('02-'03): 14pts 8rbs 50%fg
Avg Minutes Played: 29.1
Fouls per game: 2.8
Houston All-Stars ('02-'03): Steve Francis/Yao Ming
Houston record previous year ('01-'02): 28-54

Greg Oden
Rookie year ('08-'09): 8pts 7rbs 54%fg (Highest FG% of all four players + more minutes would = ??)
Avg Minutes Played: 22.7 (All other players played almost 10 more minutes per game)
Fouls per game: 3.7 (Almost 4 fouls per game is considered very high)
Portland All-Stars ('08-'09 projected): Brandon Roy
Portland record previous year: 41- 41 (Best record of all teams the previous year. In other words, something was going right before Greg joined the lineup, so why make drastic strategic changes upon his arrival? You don't! You fit him in until he's comfortable)

Or, we can make this very easy, and go Per 36 minutes played:

Howard per 36 rookie year
13.2pts
11.1rbs
52% FG
1blk

Amare per 36 rookie year
15.5pts
10.1rbs
47%FG
1.2blk

Yao per 36 rookie year
16.7pts
10.2rbs
50% FG
2.2blk

Oden per 36 rookie year
13.2pts
11.1rbs
54% FG
1.7blk

Per 36 puts Greg directly on par with the others.

Gavin and CIP can suck it.

P.S. And for fun (and Da Rizzle) let's look at Greg's per 36 this year vs Bynum's:

Oden per 36 rookie year
13.2pts
11.1rbs
54% FG
1.7blk

Bynum this year
15.5pts
9.4rbs
54% FG
2.1blk

Screw that. Let's do Bynum's rookie year
7.9pts
8.5rbs
40%FG
2.3blks

That's better.

None of those players were coming off microfracture surgery. Compare him to Kenyon Martin....who really couldn't play well for a long long time afterwards.....really not until this season. Or to Amare, whose first season after microfracture was underwhelming because he couldn't jump like he could before the surgery, or like he is able to now. Took both those guys a while to get completely healthy and regain the spring in their step, their quickness and agility. People forget that before the surgery and during the draft tryouts Oden was tested on all kinds of things. Quickness, jumping ability among them. He was better than anyone.