OT Generational talent

[SlyPokerCat]

Strong disagree. Kobe is the most overrated player I can think of (especially now that people seem to be relaxing on how good Iverson was).

I think Curry is a much more efficient player than Kobe and I think he's been more influential on the game, for example. Kobe was like a poor man's Jordan, while Curry is blazing a new trail.

I don't even know how to respond to this.

I feel like too many people are allowing their hatred of the Lakers to blur their opinions on Kobe.

Curry is not better than Kobe. Sorry.

 

[MickZagger]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

I feel like too many people are allowing their hatred of the Lakers to blur their opinions on Kobe.

Curry is not better than Kobe. Sorry.

I hated Kobe and I agree. Kobe could put his team on his back. When Thompson has been injured Curry’s teams have struggled. I remember watching Kobe will his team to victory time and time again.

Amd I’m not talking about post Achilles injury ‘washed up’ Kobe.

 

[Predator]

Idk man. I feel like I got to live through most of Jordan and all of Lebron. Kobe is there with them.

I love me some Kobe Bryant.

He isn’t even close to MJ or LeBron.
Not. Even. Close.

Kobe Bryant had a PER over 25 3 times.
LeBron has had a PER under 25 3 times.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

I feel like too many people are allowing their hatred of the Lakers to blur their opinions on Kobe.

Curry is not better than Kobe. Sorry.

Couldn't agree with this MORE!

 

[Further]

Idk man. I feel like I got to live through most of Jordan and all of Lebron. Kobe is there with them.

I think LeBron and Jordan were on a different level than Kobe. I might have some left over Kobe-hate which I’ve never had for Jordan or LeBron to the same degree. But to me Kobe just seemed like an incredible player, so was Duncan, Nash, Curry and KD. See, if you let the club open to one extra then how do you stay the line. Was Duncan less deserving than Kobe? Nash and Curry changed how the game was played. But generational to me, means 1 per generation. MJ & LJ are easily one step beyond Kobe . But I would put Kobe is the holy-fucking-amazing category.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Giannis shouldn't be on the list if Kobe isn't. Bird shouldn't either.

A general talent is someone who can dominate the league over a period of time. Someone you have to plan your entire offense around.

Bird is there for sure, IMO.

 

[Predator]

Who is Larry Bird?

…

It’s Larry Legend, baby!

 

[Predator]

I think LeBron and Jordan were on a different level than Kobe. I might have some left over Kobe-hate which I’ve never had for Jordan or LeBron to the same degree. But to me Kobe just seemed like an incredible player, so was Duncan, Nash, Curry and KD. See, if you let the club open to one extra then how do you stay the line. Was Duncan less deserving than Kobe? Nash and Curry changed how the game was played. But generational to me, means 1 per generation. MJ & LJ are easily one step beyond Kobe . But I would put Kobe is the holy-fucking-amazing category.

It’s almost unanimous on the “lists” that Duncan is superior to Kobe.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It’s almost unanimous on the “lists” that Duncan is superior to Kobe.

I'd take Duncan over Kobe every time. I'd take Duncan over LeBron as well, if building a team from scratch.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm a generational dog!

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Bo Jackson: Generational talent.

Marcus Dupree if ya gonna go there?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I think LeBron and Jordan were on a different level than Kobe. I might have some left over Kobe-hate which I’ve never had for Jordan or LeBron to the same degree. But to me Kobe just seemed like an incredible player, so was Duncan, Nash, Curry and KD. See, if you let the club open to one extra then how do you stay the line. Was Duncan less deserving than Kobe? Nash and Curry changed how the game was played. But generational to me, means 1 per generation. MJ & LJ are easily one step beyond Kobe . But I would put Kobe is the holy-fucking-amazing category.

If we want to Debate Duncan that is fine. But I still would take Kobe when starting from scratch. Nash, Curry, and even KD are not on Kobe's level.

I agree that Jordan is better than Kobe and Jordan is better than Lebron. I can entertain Lebron being better than Kobe, but Kobe's attitude and killer instinct still have me thinking about it. I'd take Kobe taking over a game at the end over Lebron.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dion Sanders?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dion Sanders?

Yes, but he has the stats to prove his case.

Bo does not.

But regardless of career stats, Bo is acknowledged as a generational player.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes, but he has the stats to prove his case.

Bo does not.

But regardless of career stats, Bo is acknowledged as a generational player.

agreed.
Danny Ainge?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

agreed.
Danny Ainge?

Greatest high school athlete in Oregon history.

So.... sure, generational Oregon high schooler.

As a pro, no.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Greatest high school athlete in Oregon history.

So.... sure, generational Oregon high schooler.

As a pro, no.

he played two pro sports though.

 

[MickZagger]

Greatest high school athlete in Oregon history.

So.... sure, generational Oregon high schooler.

As a pro, no.

Daryl Motley begs to differ.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

he played two pro sports though.

If we're talking about multi-sport athletes, Dave Winfield is arguably one of the greats. Drafted in all of the big 3.

 

[Orion Bailey]

If we're talking about multi-sport athletes, Dave Winfield is arguably one of the greats. Drafted in all of the big 3.

I never knew he was drafted in the nba.
I remember watching a bluejays game once where they mentioned he was in the nfl draft but i dont remember if they said who drafted him.

im fully confident if dion sanders would have gave it a shot, he could have been serviceable in the nba even if he couldn't shoot.

 

[Stevenson]

I pit a handful of players in that category.
Wilt
Mj
Shaq
Lbj
Giannis
Curry
Bird
Kareem
?

Excellent list.

I would add Kobe and Magic to the top list.

 

[Stevenson]

Strong disagree. Kobe is the most overrated player I can think of (especially now that people seem to be relaxing on how good Iverson was).

Ha! IMO, Kobe is underrated and Iverson is overrated.

AI was a ballhogging low-percentage volume shooter (note, not volume maker.)

Kobe was a stone cold assassin, the hardest working player ever, clutch, the epitome of greatness (and I hated the bastard!)

 

[Orion Bailey]

Excellent list.

I would add Kobe and Magic to the top list.

Thanks.
i completely whiffed on Magic. Kobe is suspect to me because he had a generational talent next to him in shaq, but i can certainly see the argument for him.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Thanks.
i completely whiffed on Magic. Kobe is suspect to me because he had a generational talent next to him in shaq, but i can certainly see the argument for him.

He won 2 rings without shaq too.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He won 2 rings without shaq too.

I know. If it weren't for those he wouldn't even be suspect in my book. But he does deserve credit for those. When pau gasol is the second best guy on the team, one cant deny Kobe some credit. I put him closer to the dwade category than an mj category though. So in my opinion he is just borderline generational i suppose? Lol.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Bo Jackson: Generational talent.

Dude was an all star in 2 sports. How many other people can say that? He supposedly ran a 4.1 40 and could truck people with his strength. Probably the best athlete of all time. Definitely top 5.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I know. If it weren't for those he wouldn't even be suspect in my book. But he does deserve credit for those. When pau gasol is the second best guy on the team, one cant deny Kobe some credit. I put him closer to the dwade category than an mj category though. So in my opinion he is just borderline generational i suppose? Lol.

Strong disagree. But I get it.

 

[Predator]

Once again, Kobe 3 seasons above 25 PER.
LeBron and MJ - 3 seasons (each) below 25 PER.

How Kobe is mentioned in the same breathe as those two is mind boggling.