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It's republican bullshit like this that has made this into a much maligned process. If the republicans would just work with the democrats maybe the Health Care Reform Bill that was passed could have been bipartisan.

How does this help the country?

We All Agree That Health Care Needed To Be Reformed Right?

I really hope the immigration bill goes much better.
 
What bullshit? its the dems who are resorting to reconciliation. this is in response to that.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
What bullshit? its the dems who are resorting to reconciliation. this is in response to that.
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This stalling and pandering by the republicans is bullshit. The bill passed. Get over it. Yeah, it sucks. But slowing down the house and senate when there is a million other things that need to be addressed is not going to help, the republicans just look petty now. Like their mom said you have to go to bed after you finish eating so they take four hours finishing their plate.

EL PRESIDENTE said:
what immigration bill?
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http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155664
 
You're saying "Get over it" and the republicans look petty? A bill gets passed because 'tons of other things need to be addressed' and that's sound reasoning? Really?
 
Nate4Prez said:
This stalling and pandering by the republicans is bullshit. The bill passed. Get over it. Yeah, it sucks. But slowing down the house and senate when there is a million other things that need to be addressed is not going to help, the republicans just look petty now. Like their mom said you have to go to bed after you finish eating so they take four hours finishing their plate.
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Reminder: the Dems didn't need one Republican vote to pass it nor have they at any point.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
You're saying "Get over it" and the republicans look petty? A bill gets passed because 'tons of other things need to be addressed' and that's sound reasoning? Really?
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Its the standard modus operandii of the Obama administration. push things in a hurry so people won't know what's going on.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
You're saying "Get over it" and the republicans look petty? A bill gets passed because 'tons of other things need to be addressed' and that's sound reasoning? Really?
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I didn't say the bill got passed BECAUSE other things need to be taken care of, I said the bill was passed and there is nothing we can do about it now, so we need to MOVE ON to the other things.
 
Reminds me of when those clever fellows at Memphis hired Darius Miles. Same sort of genius.

The evil sort.

barfo
 
Nate4Prez said:
I didn't say the bill got passed BECAUSE other things need to be taken care of, I said the bill was passed and there is nothing we can do about it now, so we need to MOVE ON to the other things.
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Well, the Dems want to go through reconcillation...so its not done yet.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Reminder: the Dems didn't need one Republican vote to pass it nor have they at any point.
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Where did I ever say they did? I'm saying the Republicans should try working at offering up solutions and try working with the Democrats if they want to accomplish anything. Putting in amendments like this one just to slow things down does not help a thing, but you want to celebrate it like it's some kind of victory?
 
Nate4Prez said:
Where did I ever say they did? I'm saying the Republicans should try working at offering up solutions and try working with the Democrats if they want to accomplish anything. Putting in amendments like this one just to slow things down does not help a thing, but you want to celebrate it like it's some kind of victory?
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Its the same thing the Democrats are doing. They are putting their "fixes" into the final bill. that's how they passed it in the first place.

slight of hand.
 
The bill is law. The fixes the Republicans can hold up as much as they want...the problem is, a lot of the fixes the Republicans actually want, now that the law exists.

So, okay. Stall the fixes as much as you like. Sound politics, to cut off your nose to spite your face and also to stand in the way of things you, yourself, think are necessary (the fixes to the law) in order to prove a point. I think this has a lot more downside to Republicans than to Democrats, but they're welcome to it.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its the standard modus operandii of the Obama administration. push things in a hurry so people won't know what's going on.
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Yah, because Bush never did that. Or anyone before now.

And if you think this was done in a hurry? holy shit, you have a strange sense of how long it takes to do something. This was done slowly, and painfully boring.

One thing you gotta give Bush (and Republicans) credit for (when they're in power). They know how to get something done, and do it quickly. They don't pussy foot around and allow the opposition to fuck with what they want done. They want it done, it's done.
 
julius said:
Yah, because Bush never did that. Or anyone before now.

And if you think this was done in a hurry? holy shit, you have a strange sense of how long it takes to do something. This was done slowly, and painfully boring.

One thing you gotta give Bush (and Republicans) credit for (when they're in power). They know how to get something done, and do it quickly. They don't pussy foot around and allow the opposition to fuck with what they want done. They want it done, it's done.
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:rolleyes:
 
they just pushed it through the weekend, making back room deals and what not.

Politics as usual.
 
For those saying, "It's law, stop obstructing", I'm reminded of the words of Megan McArdle

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/03/the-future-after-health-care/37799/

One cannot help but admire Nancy Pelosi's skill as a legislator. But it's also pretty worrying. Are we now in a world where there is absolutely no recourse to the tyranny of the majority? Republicans and other opponents of the bill did their job on this; they persuaded the country that they didn't want this bill. And that mattered basically not at all. If you don't find that terrifying, let me suggest that you are a Democrat who has not yet contemplated what Republicans might do under similar circumstances. Farewell, Social Security! Au revoir, Medicare! The reason entitlements are hard to repeal is that the Republicans care about getting re-elected. If they didn't--if they were willing to undertake this sort of suicide mission--then the legislative lock-in you're counting on wouldn't exist.


Oh, wait--suddenly it doesn't seem quite fair that Republicans could just ignore the will of their constituents that way, does it? Yet I guarantee you that there are a lot of GOP members out there tonight who think that they should get at least one free "Screw You" vote to balance out what the Democrats just did.


If the GOP takes the legislative innovations of the Democrats and decides to use them, please don't complain that it's not fair. Someone could get seriously hurt, laughing that hard.
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Senator Coburn probably is considered a genius compared to his constituents in Oklahoma, the dumbest state in the union, but in the real world he's just another petulant foot-dragger.
 
Dumbest states are probably the ones that have the most number of illegal mexicans! Hard to learn when they're in school holding everyone back!
 
Please stop saying things like "Well, it's not like the Bush administration didn't do it". This does nothing to help change the future, and as cliche as it sounds two wrongs don't make a right. If we continue on this path of "well so and so did it so don't whine when this regime does it" we're just going to continue in a gigantic loop of stupidity with the same issues. This is what we call insanity.
 
More comments on this strategy, plus a quote from our very own Ron Wyden.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/...us-in-voting-to-ban-viagra-for-sex-offenders/

As an aside, I wonder what his former Grey Panther constituency would think about their Medicare funding this health care legislation. BTW, if this bill is so great, then why not vote for it even more resoundingly the next time it goes back to the House?
 
Nate4Prez said:
This stalling and pandering by the republicans is bullshit. The bill passed. Get over it. Yeah, it sucks. But slowing down the house and senate when there is a million other things that need to be addressed is not going to help, the republicans just look petty now. Like their mom said you have to go to bed after you finish eating so they take four hours finishing their plate.



http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155664
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I tend to agree with this. Though getting on with more legislation like this isn't my idea of what's good for congress to be doing.

If republicans want to do something about this law, they should focus on getting elected to the house and then refuse to fund any of it.

In the meantime, they're looking a bit like sore losers.

On the other hand, the upside for republicans is that it keeps the process and the bill fresh in the voters' memories, and they could make the case in the elections that they continue to respect the will of the people.
 
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Denny Crane said:
I tend to agree with this. Though getting on with more legislation like this isn't my idea of what's good for congress to be doing.

If republicans want to do something about this law, they should focus on getting elected to the house and then refuse to fund any of it.

In the meantime, they're looking a bit like sore losers.

On the other hand, the upside for republicans is that it keeps the process and the bill fresh in the voters' memories, and they could make the case in the elections that they continue to respect the will of the people.
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If these amendments keep the law from being enacted because it forces it to go back through the other house, is it possible that the GOP could keep this up through the mid-terms? If so, would they be able to potentially overturn the bill passage if they were able to win a majority in one of the houses?
 
I'm amazed at the hue and cry from those who talk about the Republican legislative tactics and who seem to be fine with using reconciliation in a manner so twisted that its Democratic author--Sen. Robert Byrd--has denounced its use for health care legislation.

To paraphrase our coach, "You fuck with the rules of Congress, the rules of Congress fuck with you."

And to be churlish about it, the Democrats have no one to blame but themselves; they started it. They're the ones who decided they couldn't alter the bill to at least bring in someone like Olympia Snowe.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If these amendments keep the law from being enacted because it forces it to go back through the other house
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It doesn't. This isn't the bill, it's a set of "fixes" to the bill. The bill was passed and signed into law.
 
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