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Well this is just...weird.

I'm new to S2, obviously, found this after BBB.net died. Hi all!
 
this deal will get done.

this is just George way of leaving the Mavs but instead of waving giving them a middle finger. Better he do it now instead of the day of trading deadline.
 
I was playing with the trade machine a few days ago, with the Mavs and Nets. I saw the veto option with George, and thought, "What if he waives it?"
I hate being right.
 
Really, I didn't think I could hate anyone else more than I hate Bruce Bowen.

Devean George proved me wrong. Very wrong.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vinc3fo3 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well this is just...weird.

I'm new to S2, obviously, found this after BBB.net died. Hi all!</div>
LOL! get some other posters here!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Feb 13 2008, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>***BREAKING NEWS***

Joe chokes again in the final seconds and the hawks lose their 4th straight!</div>


Off topic posts ftw?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vinc3fo3 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well this is just...weird.

I'm new to S2, obviously, found this after BBB.net died. Hi all!</div>

Welcome. PM me for any questions, because I'm cool.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn

Here is the info from the CBA FAQ #85

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.</div>

George is in his second season with Dallas which means he would have Early Bird rights
</div>

Someone asked which rule it was, so here is the info
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vinc3fo3 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well this is just...weird.

I'm new to S2, obviously, found this after BBB.net died. Hi all!</div>

Welcome to S2, vinc3fo3! If you any questions, PM me. Or any other Mod or Admin. Or The Joker! You know the deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 13 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vinc3fo3 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well this is just...weird.

I'm new to S2, obviously, found this after BBB.net died. Hi all!</div>

Welcome. PM me for any questions, because I'm cool.
</div>

Right there, you're lying.
 
This is hilarious.

Wow. Just wow.

It's just like Shareef Abdur-Rahim, only on crack.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Feb 13 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 13 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vinc3fo3 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well this is just...weird.

I'm new to S2, obviously, found this after BBB.net died. Hi all!</div>

Welcome. PM me for any questions, because I'm cool.
</div>

Right there, you're lying.
</div>

No, I'm ly_yng.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn

Here is the info from the CBA FAQ #85

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.</div>

George is in his second season with Dallas which means he would have Early Bird rights
</div>

Someone asked which rule it was, so here is the info
</div>
unfucking believable! Cant we just move on from this whole trade, honestly, this type of bullshit always seems to happen to the Nets.
 
whats funny you think the mavs would punish him for this but hes in the starting lineup for tonights game , hes puttin up a stinker tho somethng like 0-8 lol serves him right

diop is also playing
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn

Here is the info from the CBA FAQ #85

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.</div>

George is in his second season with Dallas which means he would have Early Bird rights

</div>

I haven't seen the CBA, but that passage looks incomplete. The first sentence isn't even a sentence but a prepositional phrase with a dependent clause. Something important must be missing.

In any event, the following news reports that it is a right in his contract itself, not one arising by virtue of the CBA:

http://startelegram.typepad.com/mavs_fullc...-i-dont-th.html
 
Sounds like Bartelstein is just trying to squeeze money out of Cuban or Ratner....or players really dont want to come to Jersey....Stackhouse and George both.....next I suppose Ager will say he wont come to NJ
 
From the report I cited above:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>George, who was in the starting lineup against Portland, has a provision in his one-year contract that stipulates he must agree to a trade. If he does agree to be traded he then loses his early Bird rights, which, theoretically, could cost him money for his next contract when he becomes a free agent July 1.

"Just like teams have to do things sometimes that are uncomfortable, Devean has to think about his best interests," Bartelstein said Wednesday night, just as George was lining up at the free-throw line in the final minutes of the first quarter against Portland. "He feels like he is in a good rhythm with the Mavs. There's a lot of ramifications for him to do the trade."

Bartelstein said George, who makes $2.4 million this season, could relent at some point. The deal, for all intents and purposes, was in the late stages of completion late Wednesday afternoon.

"I don't like to draw a line in the sand," Bartelstein said. "Things can move so quickly. In this situation, they [the Nets and Mavs] needed a quick answer, there's a lot of players and a lot at stake, but he's not ready to do it."</div>
 
^ The full section cpaw quoted, to that point, is:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>85. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

A "no-trade" clause can be negotiated into an individual contract if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the immediately prior four seasons -- for example, Horace Grant got a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Very few players actually have one of these no-trade provisions. Otherwise, individually negotiated contracts may not contain no-trade clauses. The no-trade clause prevents the team from making a trade involving the player without the player's consent.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

* For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap. (Also see question number 72 for a special case where players can be traded together in less than two months.)
* When the trading deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.
* For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 76). Interestingly, however, it is unclear whether this rule prevents a player who has been signed-and-traded from being traded agiain prior to three months/December 15 (see question number 80).

* For 30 days after signing as a draft pick.
* Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.</div>
 
i dont see this workin out unless cuban uses KVH now,

Kidd must be PISSSED!!!!!!!!

I am also pissed becuz i was excited about this, thought it was a fair deal for both teams even though i would like to keep stackhouse
 
either we get a 3rd team involved to get Kidd to Dallas, or
we keep Kidd and get Mike Miller!!
DO IT THRON
 
LOL

The thought crossed my mind that he doesn't want to live in New Jersey.
 
Saddle River is nice
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Feb 13 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL

The thought crossed my mind that he doesn't want to live in New Jersey.</div>
there's this small, quaint little town just seven miles from the Izod Center. I'm sure George wouldnt mind living in a place I like to call NYC.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Feb 13 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ The full section cpaw quoted, to that point, is:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>85. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

A "no-trade" clause can be negotiated into an individual contract if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the immediately prior four seasons -- for example, Horace Grant got a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Very few players actually have one of these no-trade provisions. Otherwise, individually negotiated contracts may not contain no-trade clauses. The no-trade clause prevents the team from making a trade involving the player without the player's consent.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

* For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap. (Also see question number 72 for a special case where players can be traded together in less than two months.)
* When the trading deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.
* For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 76). Interestingly, however, it is unclear whether this rule prevents a player who has been signed-and-traded from being traded agiain prior to three months/December 15 (see question number 80).

* For 30 days after signing as a draft pick.
* Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.</div>
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Thanks, AEM. That clarifies the situation.

Still am quite surprised that Devean George managed to get such a clause, though.
 
goddamnit devean george
i wanted kidd out of the east
damn you
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (thedude9990 @ Feb 13 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bayonnes not a bad city to live in lol.</div>
you live in bayonne?

I gotta disagree though, this city's goin down the tubes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 13 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thanks, AEM. That clarifies the situation.

Still am quite surprised that Devean George managed to get such a clause, though.</div>

Glad I could help. From what I've read, getting that clause was a big part of why he re-signed with Dallas, as no other team would have had that option.

Not that he was in such high demand to begin with...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 13 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn

Here is the info from the CBA FAQ #85

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.</div>

George is in his second season with Dallas which means he would have Early Bird rights

</div>

I haven't seen the CBA, but that passage looks incomplete. The first sentence isn't even a sentence but a prepositional phrase with a dependent clause. Something important must be missing.

In any event, the following news reports that it is a right in his contract itself, not one arising by virtue of the CBA:

http://startelegram.typepad.com/mavs_fullc...-i-dont-th.html
</div>

As stated it is from the CBA FAQ, not the CBA itself. Larry Coon, the author of the FAQ has extremely good contacts within the NBA and the FAQ has been reviewed by experts.

Additionally, the vast majority of newspaper writers don't know the CBA and as a former subscriber of the Fort Worth Star Telegram, I know they don't have anyone that knows it.

I realize that since I posted it you'll never believe it, but it is fine with me if you want to be wrong.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Feb 13 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 13 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thanks, AEM. That clarifies the situation.

Still am quite surprised that Devean George managed to get such a clause, though.</div>

Glad I could help. From what I've read, getting that clause was a big part of why he re-signed with Dallas, as no other team would have had that option.

Not that he was in such high demand to begin with...
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George was under contract with Dallas the season before and turned down a player option for the season. By re-signing with Dallas, he automatically got this.
 
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