Gerald Henderson

[rasheedfan2005]

Use to love Brian grant and Karl Malone cheap shotting each other in the face.

 

[Draco]

It's a great question and I am surprised that the answer is "not really" .
http://www.nba.com/magic/gallery/cohen-8ball-ranking-todays-best-nba-shooting-guards-2014-15-season

Not impressed by this list of SG's. Some are great 3 pt shooters and nothing else, and others are not good 3 pt shooters but great scorers. Harden probably being the best at both. (But no D)

I'm not even a big Hendo fan but looking at that list I could see him realistically coming close to matching the production of everyone except Harden, Klay, Butler next season.

 

[Draco]

That's what I've been saying for several years now. After Kobe/Wade there haven't been any great SGs. Finding the next great SG (or SF) should be our primary objective. I like that we're mining cheap/undrafted players with big upside, but so far it seems like we're focusing on PFs. I'm excited about them, but even if they pan out none of them will be the primary player on a championship team. But if you can find a SG who can become a star, THAT'S the sort of player that would make us a contender one day.
The race is on to find the next great SG!

CJ, Crabbe, Pat, Harkless, Montero. We have more young SG prospects than any other position. Aminu and Hendo are vets that can play there too, and even Dame played there previously when we paired him with another point. Over half the roster can play SG.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I actually agree. Wait until a team that plays power ball efficiently and it changes the dynamic of the game. This 3 point shot being the most efficient is bullshit.

Isn't this a bit like saying "gravity keeping you stuck to the earth is bullshit?" Being able to shoot three pointers well is more efficient than shooting something like mid-range shots and it has the added advantage of stretching an opponent's defense. Its an irrefutable statement of fact.

My other question I guess is what do you mean by "Wait until a team [...] plays power ball efficiently?" Are you talking about slashing and post-ups? If so then I sort of agree, but I see those components being complimentary with three point shooting; all of these things work together to create space and break a defense down. You can't really expect to win big things if either component is sub standard or nonexistent.

 

[magnifier661]

Isn't this a bit like saying "gravity keeping you stuck to the earth is bullshit?" Being able to shoot three pointers well is more efficient than shooting something like mid-range shots and it has the added advantage of stretching an opponent's defense. Its an irrefutable statement of fact.

My other question I guess is what do you mean by "Wait until a team [...] plays power ball efficiently?" Are you talking about slashing and post-ups? If so then I sort of agree, but I see those components being complimentary with three point shooting; all of these things work together to create space and break a defense down. You can't really expect to win big things if either component is sub standard or nonexistent.

I didn't explain myself 100% correctly.

Yes, taking a 3 instead of a mid range 2 is more effective, but teams have taken this to an entirely new level. They've fell in love with just taking threes instead of posting up, slashing and punishing teams inside.

If there ever comes a new team that is efficient with low post, slashing and getting to the line with physical play; they will dominate the 3 point teams easily.

I think having 3 point shooters is needed, but I don't want a team with only 3 point shooters.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I didn't explain myself 100% correctly.

Yes, taking a 3 instead of a mid range 2 is more effective, but teams have taken this to an entirely new level. They've fell in love with just taking threes instead of posting up, slashing and punishing teams inside.

If there ever comes a new team that is efficient with low post, slashing and getting to the line with physical play; they will dominate the 3 point teams easily.

I think having 3 point shooters is needed, but I don't want a team with only 3 point shooters.

I'd say look at AAU and the way players are taught to play. In other words it's not impossible a team like the one you describe could come along but I sure as hell wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[magnifier661]

I'd say look at AAU and the way players are taught to play. In other words it's not impossible a team like the one you describe could come along but I sure as hell wouldn't hold my breath.

All you need is that one dominant big man. I just don't see that being an impossibility. In fact, if Cousins wasn't such a head case, he would be that big.

 

[riverman]

I didn't explain myself 100% correctly.

Yes, taking a 3 instead of a mid range 2 is more effective, but teams have taken this to an entirely new level. They've fell in love with just taking threes instead of posting up, slashing and punishing teams inside.

If there ever comes a new team that is efficient with low post, slashing and getting to the line with physical play; they will dominate the 3 point teams easily.

I think having 3 point shooters is needed, but I don't want a team with only 3 point shooters.

All this changed when hand checking was eliminated from the game. You can't play defense that way any more period..Sheed, Payton, Malone, Barkley, all those guys have mentioned it. The days of lockdown defense have passed into the history books with the rules of the modern game...fans wanted over 100 pts a game and not 70 pts a game.

 

[magnifier661]

All this changed when hand checking was eliminated from the game. You can't play defense that way any more period..Sheed, Payton, Malone, Barkley, all those guys have mentioned it. The days of lockdown defense have passed into the history books with the rules of the modern game...fans wanted over 100 pts a game and not 70 pts a game.

Wouldn't that validate my "bruising team" theory? I'm talking about how you score, not defend. If teams can't hand check, like you said, then slashing and post up teams will be at an advantage. Defending 3 point shooters don't require hand checking.

 

[riverman]

Wouldn't that validate my "bruising team" theory? I'm talking about how you score, not defend. If teams can't hand check, like you said, then slashing and post up teams will be at an advantage. Defending 3 point shooters don't require hand checking.

Gary Payton would disagree..how you score is absolutely tied to how you are defended. If you cite Malone, Barkley or guys from that era..you have to take into consideration the rules have changed. Defensive teams did not get the ratings offensive teams get. It's sort of why we don't get excited about soccer goalies and games that end in a 0-0 tie

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Gary Payton would disagree..how you score is absolutely tied to how you are defended. If you cite Malone, Barkley or guys from that era..you have to take into consideration the rules have changed. Defensive teams did not get the ratings offensive teams get. It's sort of why we don't get excited about soccer goalies and games that end in a 0-0 tie

I think Mags' point, however, is that we could have a team that defends the same way everyone else defends, but plays offensively in a way that other teams are less prepared for. As it is, with the majority of the league playing a perimeter-oriented games, NBA defenses are built to focus on reducing the effectiveness of that perimeter attack. If our team's offense were focused more on bigs who play in the post and wings who slash in from the perimeter to attack the rim (and the ball/player movement necessary to facilitate such an offense) we would have an inherent advantage over teams that are not built to stop teams like ours.

 

[magnifier661]

Gary Payton would disagree..how you score is absolutely tied to how you are defended. If you cite Malone, Barkley or guys from that era..you have to take into consideration the rules have changed. Defensive teams did not get the ratings offensive teams get. It's sort of why we don't get excited about soccer goalies and games that end in a 0-0 tie

Malone and stockton would disagree with you. The half court effectiveness in their pick and roll was unstoppable. And They weren't known for their trap and scramble defense.

 

[magnifier661]

I think Mags' point, however, is that we could have a team that defends the same way everyone else defends, but plays offensively in a way that other teams are less prepared for. As it is, with the majority of the league playing a perimeter-oriented games, NBA defenses are built to focus on reducing the effectiveness of that perimeter attack. If our team's offense were focused more on bigs who play in the post and wings who slash in from the perimeter to attack the rim (and the ball/player movement necessary to facilitate such an offense) we would have an inherent advantage over teams that are not built to stop teams like ours.

DING DING DING!!!!

Well said...

 

[THE HCP]

Stopped reading the original post after I saw the words Highlight Video.........
If the editor is good, you can make any player look good. Joel Przybilla had me make him one back in the day...... I made him look like a dominate Shaq like center. Did one for Ime Udoka that make him look like James Harden. Be very careful judging a player off one of those videos is all I'm saying.

 

[Draco]

Memphis is the prime example of what you are talking about with two post men. We might see more teams do it but its just so rare to have a PF/C combo that has enough passing and shooting to function properly as an offensive tandem, can also punish teams with either man in the post, and can play well defensively. Thats the problem is its not about finding just the one big man as Mags said; you have to find a duo that are both NBA starting caliber bigs and have the proper strengths to match the other. With more teams going small every year it does seemingly create a larger opportunity for a dual big man lineup to exploit. But I do wonder if that can ever be an NBA championship level strategy going forward; the current NBA has changed rules and seems much more perimeter and skill based.

 

[e_blazer]

Stopped reading the original post after I saw the words Highlight Video.........
If the editor is good, you can make any player look good. Joel Przybilla had me make him one back in the day...... I made him look like a dominate Shaq like center. Did one for Ime Udoka that make him look like James Harden. Be very careful judging a player off one of those videos is all I'm saying.

Good advice.

Who hacked HCP's account?

 

[magnifier661]

Memphis is the prime example of what you are talking about with two post men. We might see more teams do it but its just so rare to have a PF/C combo that has enough passing and shooting to function properly as an offensive tandem, can also punish teams with either man in the post, and can play well defensively. Thats the problem is its not about finding just the one big man as Mags said; you have to find a duo that are both NBA starting caliber bigs and have the proper strengths to match the other. With more teams going small every year it does seemingly create a larger opportunity for a dual big man lineup to exploit. But I do wonder if that can ever be an NBA championship level strategy going forward; the current NBA has changed rules and seems much more perimeter and skill based.

I don't think you need 2 big men, as you suggest. You need that 1 dominant low post player, one dominant slashing guard, couple 3 point shooters and a wing that can post up as well.

This type of team could have a stretch 4 type player (insert Vonleh or Leonard). In order for either of them to work, they still need to be great rebounders and, at least, be able to defend their own position well.

 

[riverman]

I think Mags' point, however, is that we could have a team that defends the same way everyone else defends, but plays offensively in a way that other teams are less prepared for. As it is, with the majority of the league playing a perimeter-oriented games, NBA defenses are built to focus on reducing the effectiveness of that perimeter attack. If our team's offense were focused more on bigs who play in the post and wings who slash in from the perimeter to attack the rim (and the ball/player movement necessary to facilitate such an offense) we would have an inherent advantage over teams that are not built to stop teams like ours.

I mentioned the value of having slashers and post players when I responded to mags..I agree and think we have these guys now, but the 3 pt shot is a lot easier to pull off without a guard like Payton handchecking guys on the perimeter and forcing them off the line. My point is you cannot defend the way they did when those guys played.

 

[riverman]

Malone and stockton would disagree with you. The half court effectiveness in their pick and roll was unstoppable. And They weren't known for their trap and scramble defense.

Malone and Stockton were hand checking defenders. Has nothing to do with their pick and roll game..we were talking about the 3pt shot mags, not the pick and roll game. Of course they were incredible at the pick and roll and we now have a roster that suits more pick and rolls than pick and pop. I like it.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

All you need is that one dominant big man. I just don't see that being an impossibility. In fact, if Cousins wasn't such a head case, he would be that big.

Put cousins in a blazer uni and all his mental problems will float away on a rainbow towed by flying unicorns

 

[blue9]

CJ, Crabbe, Pat, Harkless, Montero. We have more young SG prospects than any other position. Over half the roster can play SG.

I'm not talking about being able to play SG, I'm talking about a player who can possibly become the next great SG (or SF). Admittedly I know nothing of Harkless, so forgive me if I write him off as a potential star. Aside from him the only other player who MIGHT (HUGE "might") become a star SG is Montero, and I only say this because he hasn't even played in a game yet.
Crabbe won't be a star. Chances are close to nil that Pat becomes a star. And as much as I've come around on CJ, I still don't think he'll ever be more than a 6th man.

 

[Sinobas]

Joel actually was dominant in some ways. He lead the league in rebounding percentage for man years (by a long shot) and was a very good shot blocker.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Stopped reading the original post after I saw the words Highlight Video.........
If the editor is good, you can make any player look good. Joel Przybilla had me make him one back in the day...... I made him look like a dominate Shaq like center. Did one for Ime Udoka that make him look like James Harden. Be very careful judging a player off one of those videos is all I'm saying.

Dude! I was beginning to think you had abandoned us!

Don't suppose you would care to weigh in with an opinion on all the fresh meat?

 

[riverman]

Joel actually was dominant in some ways. He lead the league in rebounding percentage for man years (by a long shot) and was a very good shot blocker.

To me Joel was maybe the best screen setter in the game during his time. Immoveable in the paint.

 

[magnifier661]

Malone and Stockton were hand checking defenders. Has nothing to do with their pick and roll game..we were talking about the 3pt shot mags, not the pick and roll game. Of course they were incredible at the pick and roll and we now have a roster that suits more pick and rolls than pick and pop. I like it.

You keep referencing defense which is really weird. I've used the offense example. Defending teams these days are much easier than years past. No one takes it to the whole anymore.

 

[e_blazer]

You keep referencing defense which is really weird. I've used the offense example. Defending teams these days are much easier than years past. No one takes it to the whole anymore.

True. Players today are much more committed to taking it to the partial.

 

[riverman]

Back to the thread topic..Gerald Henderson is a guy who will find the seams and take it to the rack..he's perfect next to Dame

 

[magnifier661]

Back to the thread topic..Gerald Henderson is a guy who will find the seams and take it to the rack..he's perfect next to Dame

Being a slashing, getting to the line and physical team has everything to do with the topic of Henderson.

 

[Draco]

I wonder what the scenarios are where we consider resigning Gerald next offseason? If we are horrific next year we probably want younger players or if we can get a top free agent we renounce him. But if neither of those happen there may be a chance.

 

[magnifier661]

I wonder what the scenarios are where we consider resigning Gerald next offseason? If we are horrific next year we probably want younger players or if we can get a top free agent we renounce him. But if neither of those happen there may be a chance.

I suspect he will be traded before we have to make that decision