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NattaNerNuttaMan said:
yes, for now since Wallace is the SF...but if Wallace is traded...the front three in Charlotte will probably be Nazr Mohammed at Center, Okafor at PF and Diaw at SF....Diaw is versitile enough to play all three front court spots...just because a player primarily plays one position doesn't mean they don't play others....Okafor is primarily a PF but be plays Center as well
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I pretty much disagree with all of this. I don't think that Okafor is a power forward and I don't think that Nazr will get (m)any minutes.

Earlier this season the Bobcats were starting DUDLEY at the power forward spot, with Okafor at the 5 and Nazr buried on the bench. The team could have easily brought Dudley off the bench and used Okafor and Nazr differently if Brown had thought those guys deserved/fit best into those slots.

Diaw/Okafor/Nazr would be one of the slowest front courts this decade. I can't imagine that Brown would run that out there in the starting five.

Ed O.
 
DaRizzle said:
Yes, me asking for your reasoning after me giving you the facts of what my opinion is based around is such a trolling dickmove on my part! I mean the audacity of myself to ask you to give the facts that made you come to your conclusion! Im such a troll for not saying "but everybody else said so..". God forbid you research the facts yourself instead of listening to the opinions of BITTER GM's around the league.

Why bother even being a part of a forum if you are just gonna say "You are wrong BECAUSE you are wrong"...give me a break.

...and you are still wrong
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You're not providing facts and apparently you don't even know what the word means. You're posting your extremely obscure opinion that is maybe shared with 1% of humanity. Like I said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. It's common sense, apparently you don't have any.

Why would I try and prove common sense to you. If you don't get it, you're not going to get it by having it explained to you. [Deleted] This thread was supposed to be about Gerald Wallace, but you're sorry ass came in here and ruined it.

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Drink Your Milkshake said:
You're not providing facts and apparently you don't even know what the word means. You're posting your extremely obscure opinion that is maybe shared with 1% of humanity. Like I said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. It's common sense, apparently you don't have any.

Why would I try and prove common sense to you. If you don't get it, you're not going to get it by having it explained to you. I'd rather just call you out for being the thread ruining troll you are. This thread was supposed to be about Gerald Wallace, but you're sorry ass came in here and ruined it.

You are a nothing but a troll. You ruined this thread.
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Milkshake, there's only one person who's ruined this thread ... I won't name names.
 
Wow, DaRizzle just ignore him. He has no right to tell you to get out of here, or what to do at all. He seems to really take disagreements personally and result to personal attacks rather than trying to discuss it like a mature adult.

I agree w/ you that a hell of a lot of Portland trade proposals are extremely lob sided for us, and we seem that a bunch of our trash can equal a good player from another team. But I think that EVERY team has those fans. I've seen plenty of lobsided trades on pretty much ever teams board be it here, on ESPN or BBF.

I also think that the Memphis/LA trade wasn't as bad as some people think, but it was still a good trade for LA. Critt, cap space, Arthur and Mark Gasol isn't bad for Pau who didn't want to be there and ahd a big contract and was never going to take them anywhere. And it also made them worse and allowed them to get a higher pick and get Mayo, who will be better than Gasol. Marc Gasol also may be close to as good as Pau Gasol in the future (which is what this trade is about, their future).
 
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Drink Your Milkshake
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DaRizzle we all owe you a debt of gratitude for finally pushing this guy over the edge. i don't think he ever added any substance to the convo.

as for wallace, why does everyone think we HAVE to make a trade right now? have expectations really risen that much over the last month? i mean i still don't think we are a legit contender for the title, so why tie yourself up in contracts when we still don't know what webster will give us this season? i understand we don't want RL's contract to go to waste but simply making a move for a boarderline star isn't what i'm looking for right now.
 
bigbailes said:
Drink Your Milkshake
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DaRizzle we all owe you a debt of gratitude for finally pushing this guy over the edge. i don't think he ever added any substance to the convo.

as for wallace, why does everyone think we HAVE to make a trade right now? have expectations really risen that much over the last month? i mean i still don't think we are a legit contender for the title, so why tie yourself up in contracts when we still don't know what webster will give us this season? i understand we don't want RL's contract to go to waste but simply making a move for a boarderline star isn't what i'm looking for right now.
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I don't think people are saying we have to make a trade, but when it's an open secret that a team is shopping a player of Wallace's caliber (a near all-star) who fills a notable need for this team, it's pretty natural to see people salivate over the possibilities a little bit; especially when you consider that the available free agents, that Raef and Francis' expiring contracts makes available, aren't likely to be any better of a fit. It's also worth noting that by NBA standards Wallace is probably worth every penny of his non-escalating, 9.5 million a year.

I actually think trading for a "borderline" star is a better move than trying to get a max contract guy who is going to compete with Roy and Aldridge for touches, especially for a player that makes his living off of hustle plays, defense and one of the better transition games in the league -- he's essentially what you would hope Nicolas Batum matures into in four or five years (even though Wallace has kind of a mediocre perimeter game).
 
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bigbailes said:
as for wallace, why does everyone think we HAVE to make a trade right now? have expectations really risen that much over the last month? i mean i still don't think we are a legit contender for the title, so why tie yourself up in contracts when we still don't know what webster will give us this season?
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We don't have to make any moves, but Wallace is a great fit and better than pretty much anyone available on the FA market this summer. One thing we keep hearing in interviews with BRoy is that we lack toughness and consistency. Adding Wallace would go a long way to addressing those concerns.

Making trades isn't something you only do when you are a title contender. I see that argument often and it doesn't hold a lot of water IMHO. I think you always make the move that improves the team and it's not like we are talking about trading for an old veteran with a year or two left in his legs.
 
bigbailes said:
as for wallace, why does everyone think we HAVE to make a trade right now? have expectations really risen that much over the last month? i mean i still don't think we are a legit contender for the title, so why tie yourself up in contracts when we still don't know what webster will give us this season?
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Because this isn't only a "win-now" move. Wallace is still young enough to be a part of the core for quite a few years to come. Making the team better now and into the foreseeable future is never a bad idea, championship contender or not.

As for Webster, sure, he could still break out. I'm not holding my breath, since he hasn't improved very much since he entered the league. But he's still quite young. I wouldn't base any moves around him and his break-out possibility, though. If he turns into a really good player, it's a nice problem to have and you have a new trade chip.
 
Ed O said:
I pretty much disagree with all of this. I don't think that Okafor is a power forward and I don't think that Nazr will get (m)any minutes.

Earlier this season the Bobcats were starting DUDLEY at the power forward spot, with Okafor at the 5 and Nazr buried on the bench. The team could have easily brought Dudley off the bench and used Okafor and Nazr differently if Brown had thought those guys deserved/fit best into those slots.

Diaw/Okafor/Nazr would be one of the slowest front courts this decade. I can't imagine that Brown would run that out there in the starting five.

Ed O.
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If Okafor isn't a PF then why has the Charlotte office been wanting to get a legit big to play Center so they can move Okafor to PF? And I still don't see how Diaw can't play SF...he did a good job playing all three frontcourt positions while in Pheonix...but I can't say I don't agree with everything you said....I'm not to completly dismiss your agrument without rational thought to it. I will say I was off on Nazr...there more likely to give Howard more minutes at this point than him...I just forgot they picked him up. But I do still think a trade could work in thier favor with Minny....they can package someone like Felton and Collins exp. contract for Kaman, after that deal...now that would be nice:clap:
 
NattaNerNuttaMan said:
If Okafor isn't a PF then why has the Charlotte office been wanting to get a legit big to play Center so they can move Okafor to PF?
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They have been saying that? Sorry. I guess I missed it. I watch pretty much every Bobcats broadcast and I can't remember the Charlotte crew ever talking about it. Doesn't mean that I haven't missed the frontoffice quotes, of course. :)

And I still don't see how Diaw can't play SF...he did a good job playing all three frontcourt positions while in Pheonix...
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Have you seen Diaw this year? He's a big dude. Much bigger. And not taller nor more muscular. He's heavier and he's slower. He'd get toasted defensively if he had to match up with starting swingmen, IMO.

but I can't say I don't agree with everything you said....I'm not to completly dismiss your agrument without rational thought to it. I will say I was off on Nazr...there more likely to give Howard more minutes at this point than him...I just forgot they picked him up. But I do still think a trade could work in thier favor with Minny....they can package someone like Felton and Collins exp. contract for Kaman, after that deal...now that would be nice:clap:
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Maybe MN can make a better offer than Outlaw and Frye. I don't really see it, but maybe.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
They have been saying that? Sorry. I guess I missed it. I watch pretty much every Bobcats broadcast and I can't remember the Charlotte crew ever talking about it. Doesn't mean that I haven't missed the frontoffice quotes, of course. :)



Have you seen Diaw this year? He's a big dude. Much bigger. And not taller nor more muscular. He's heavier and he's slower. He'd get toasted defensively if he had to match up with starting swingmen, IMO.



Maybe MN can make a better offer than Outlaw and Frye. I don't really see it, but maybe.

Ed O.
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looks like we'll just agree to disagree on some points...but I really enjoy our debates though. I look forward to many, many more
 
MARIS61 said:
I certainly hope so.
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I don't mean to single out MARIS61 here, but I've never understood the point of taking the time to post an opinion without any explanation. It happens all the time and makes for poor discussion. What if all our threads just stated opinions without explanations? Every thread would essentially be a poll. Yuck.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
I don't mean to single out MARIS61 here, but I've never understood the point of taking the time to post an opinion without any explanation. It happens all the time and makes for poor discussion. What if all our threads just stated opinions without explanations? Every thread would essentially be a poll. Yuck.
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I disagree, I wont tell you why
 
DaRizzle said:
Well besides the fact that numbers dont work out...Is there ever gonna be a thread like this where you guys will ever think you actually have to give up one of your good players to get a good player? I dont think Ive heard Roy, Oden, or LMA name in any fantasy trade proposal in here or bbf.....ever
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Sorry, I forgot the Lakers have the market cornered on giving up a collection of shitty players for a good one.:lol:
 
maxiep said:
I just put your post to The Steve Miller Band's "Space Cowboy". It almost works.:ghoti:
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Classic.

I did have a pretty good laugh when he called me a "daft cunt"

<---------- apparently he's seen "my" movie :wink:
 
Minstrel said:
I don't think either team would undo the trade. I'm surprised that that was the best Memphis could get for Pau Gasol, but I don't believe there was any conspiracy. If that's the deal they took, I believe it was the best offer on the table for Gasol.
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Funny, I think you are dead wrong. Memphis found out within days of the trade they could have done better.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Funny, I think you are dead wrong. Memphis found out within days of the trade they could have done better.
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You're right. As posted above about Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley:

For the first time, even Heisley wondered whether his general manager, Chris Wallace, blew it by caving so soon to the Lakers.

“I don’t know if I got the most value,” Heisley confessed. “Maybe our people should’ve shopped (Gasol) more and maybe we would’ve gotten more, done a better de"al. Maybe Chris did call every team in the league. I don’t think he did, but maybe he should’ve…
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One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.
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Did the Grizzlies get the best value possible for Pau Gasol?
“I don’t know if I got the most value,” he said.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heisleygasol060308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Funny, I think you are dead wrong. Memphis found out within days of the trade they could have done better.
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I don't think the Chicago offer was better. I'd rather have Marc Gasol than any of the players rumoured in the Chicago deal. The Chicago deal was a bunch of their crap. If Chicago offered the same players for Outlaw, I'd bet it would not be well-received by fans on this board, and Pau Gasol is significantly better than Outlaw. The only reason people are up in arms about this deal is because they hate LA and hate to see them get better. Had Chicago gotten better for an equal (or worse) deal, no one would have cared.
 
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^ yup...put in the financial situation around those Bulls players and it makes more sense why they wouldnt want that
 
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