OT Giannis

[Minstrel]

Is Draymond an asset? I imagine his value took a SERIOUS hit this year as he decided to stop trying on a bad team. Plus he's old and only useful when surrounded by stars. Plus you're assuming Minny's pick is going to be a lottery pick, which, I admit, is usually safe, but... Maybe Minny should offer KAT for Antetokounmpo. He'd almost certainly leave after a year, but it would free them from the mediocrity KAT seems to keep them in.

I think he's still an asset to a team that expects to be good. I saw someone describe him perfectly--he's a ceiling raiser, not a floor raiser. If you're a bad team, he probably won't make you better. But if you're a good or really good team, he can elevate you quite a bit. If Milwaukee still thinks they can compete after a Giannis trade, I think Green still qualifies as an asset to them.

Now, if Minnesota offered KAT, I don't think Golden State could compete. But I don't think very many teams will offer a lot for a player one year from free agency. Golden State can because they can be confident in re-signing him, due to his chemistry with Curry.

 

[Chris Craig]

Remember, in this scenario they're over a barrel - they would only be trading Giannis because they know they can't keep him, and the other team would know they were taking a risk. Embiid is WAY better than Demar DeRozan.

Would Philly part with him for CJ and Nurk?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Would Philly part with him for CJ and Nurk?

Probably not, although the only reason I suggest it is because there are rumblings that Simmons and Embiid don't work together. But the simple route for them to go in this scenario is to swap Simmons for Giannis... (Although that would also mean pairing two players who aren't great outside shooters.)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Now, if Minnesota offered KAT, I don't think Golden State could compete. But I don't think very many teams will offer a lot for a player one year from free agency. Golden State can because they can be confident in re-signing him, due to his chemistry with Curry.

Substitute "Portland" for "Golden State" and "Dame" for "Curry".

I still think that Draymond has seriously tanked his value this past season. "Ceiling raiser" or not, he's also a royal pain in the ass (as I'm sure Kerr would privately admit) whom I'm sure a lot of people around the league think drove KD away. Also he gets fat and lazy when unmotivated. If you're trading away a superstar, he's not the guy you want in return.

Golden State may expect to be able to re-sign Giannis, but Milwaukee doesn't give a shit about that and will be out for the best deal, and I don't think Golden State can offer it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Its more likely that we get LeBron in the next 3 years than it is that we get Giannis, IMO.

You mean when LeBron's kids graduate from school and he wants to move closer to Nike, where he expects to be inserted as an executive?

 

[Chris Craig]

Probably not, although the only reason I suggest it is because there are rumblings that Simmons and Embiid don't work together. But the simple route for them to go in this scenario is to swap Simmons for Giannis... (Although that would also mean pairing two players who aren't great outside shooters.)

Milwaukee is not swapping Giannis for Simmons

 

[BigGameDamian]

Works on the trade checker! With a signing of Whiteside.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n2ousc

 

[Chris Craig]

Works on the trade checker! With a signing of Whiteside.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n2ousc

We could wait to sign Whiteside because we have his bird rights...we would be in the repeater though. I would do it. Milwaukee wouldn't.

 

[Minstrel]

Substitute "Portland" for "Golden State" and "Dame" for "Curry".

I was referring to Giannis and Curry actually talking up their relationship--I haven't seen that between Giannis and Dame, though I could have missed it.

I still think that Draymond has seriously tanked his value this past season.

That's certainly possible. But I think the fact that the last time we saw him competitive, meaningful games (last year's playoffs), he was fantastic will preserve most of his value in GM's minds.

Golden State may expect to be able to re-sign Giannis, but Milwaukee doesn't give a shit about that and will be out for the best deal, and I don't think Golden State can offer it.

Oh, absolutely Milwaukee doesn't care if the trade partner can or can't sign him--my point is that the trade partner will care, and that will affect the best deals that they'll offer. A team with little optimism that they can re-sign him isn't going to offer the moon for a one year (or half-season if he's traded at the next mid-season trade deadline) rental. So if the pool of teams willing to offer a lot is small, that's Golden State's best chance to win the bidding with something like Green, their 2020 draft pick, Minnesota's 2021 draft pick and perhaps some other asset (their own 2022 draft pick, maybe, or Eric Paschall).

 

[tykendo]

So, apparently it's an open secret that the Warriors are going after Antetokounmpo hard:

Report: Warriors have been readying to target Giannis Antetokounmpo

If this is true, or even if the Bucks think that Giannis is likely to leave in the Summer of 2010, what would you say to the Blazers trying to do what the Raptors did with Kawhi and pressure the Bucks to get something for Giannis before he leaves? Obviously it's a risk, but I don't think the Raptors regret it even though they lost Leonard. What would you offer? I say "basically anyone, including Dame" but you don't want to give too much otherwise he's bound to leave. But maybe we do the trade for Embiid first and then flip him for Giannis...

HELL NO!

 

[tykendo]

To me, if true, this is a blatant form of tampering by the Warriors. I'm sick of this kind of B.S. Even if it's untrue, it's done it's damage. Sometimes it seems the media tries to actually facilitate this kind of garbage. Sure seemed like after Kawhi Leonard trade.

 

[tykendo]

I feel bad for the Bucks fans. Hopefully he signs an extension with Milwaukee to end this.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Milwaukee is not swapping Giannis for Simmons

Even if they knew they'd lose Giannis?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So, I was going to start a thread about Giannis to respond to the new rumors that Miami


AND Dallas


are going to pursue Giannis hard, and then I find that I'd ALREADY started one from when it was a foregone conclusion that he'd go to the Warriors. If (when) he doesn't sign an extension, I expect the Bucks to look hard at trade offers, á la Spurs with Kawhi, so they don't lose him for nothing. So, time to revisit my unrealistic Blazer trade suggestions:

OR

(The second one is more favorable to the Bucks, obviously, and assumes they want to ditch Bledsoe, which seems very likely.)

This would be a huge risk on the part of the Blazers, as why would Giannis stay with the Blazers if he wouldn't stay with the Bucks? But I don't think the Raptors regret their Kawhi gamble, even though he left too.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[THE HCP]

I think he is going to LA to join his brother.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think he is going to LA to join his brother.

1. No you don't.
2. He can visit in the offseason.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I feel bad for the Bucks fans. Hopefully he signs an extension with Milwaukee to end this.

If he doesn't sign he's gone for sure.

 

[blazerkor]

If he doesn't sign he's gone for sure.

Yeah if he doesn't sign that extension as painful as it would be the Bucks have to trade him now to maximize his value. They can ask him straight up if he will take the absolute max at any terms he wants because he's their player and it's not tampering, if he says no or that he's not sure... you put him on the market and get the best value for him on draft night, that's when the action is happening and the most teams are communicating and you can get the best bidding war going.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah if he doesn't sign that extension as painful as it would be the Bucks have to trade him now to maximize his value. They can ask him straight up if he will take the absolute max at any terms he wants because he's their player and it's not tampering, if he says no or that he's not sure... you put him on the market and get the best value for him on draft night, that's when the action is happening and the most teams are communicating and you can get the best bidding war going.

That's the mistake we made with Aldridge. Milwaukee can't afford to take that risk if he won't sign the extension before he's unrestricted.

 

[blazerkor]

I think if you trade Giannis you build an all around team. The best trade offer would likely be Wiggins, the 2nd pick, the Wolves 2021 1st and Golden State's 2022 1st. If Anthony Edwards went first, I would then trade the Wolves 2021 pick, GS 2022 pick and the 24th pick to Charlotte for the 3rd pick. Draft Ball and Wiseman. Then I'd see if Philly would swap Harris for Bledsoe and BroLo. Milwaukee would walk away with Ball, Middleton, Wiggins, Harris, Wiseman, Hill, DiVincenzo, RoLo would likely opt in and the full MLE. If you like Ball and Wiseman you'd be set for a long time with Middleton, Wiggins and Harris also all being under contract for the next four years. You could have a very long, very athletic, good shooting, potentially pretty good defensive team for a long time. You'd need one more good bench player but you'd get that with the MLE.

 

[tester551]

That's the mistake we made with Aldridge. Milwaukee can't afford to take that risk if he won't sign the extension before he's unrestricted.

It's a bit different situation. I'd say the risk/reward is much different.

We made that mistake with a moody borderline all-star (top ~20-30 type). Who also played a style that is antiquated. There were other players that out there who could still give you 80% of what LA did.

Giannis is a top 5 player in the game. His skill set and talents are incredibly rare. Every team in the league is searching for players who could give 50% of what Giannis does.

Unless Bucks think the chances of him re-signing are <50%, there is no way they should trade him.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It's a bit different situation. I'd say the risk/reward is much different.

We made that mistake with a moody borderline all-star (top ~20-30 type). Who also played a style that is antiquated. There were other players that out there who could still give you 80% of what LA did.

Giannis is a top 5 player in the game. His skill set and talents are incredibly rare. Every team in the league is searching for players who could give 50% of what Giannis does.

Unless Bucks think the chances of him re-signing are <50%, there is no way they should trade him.

If he he isn't willing to sign a max extension before he is unrestricted he's as good as gone.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think if you trade Giannis you build an all around team. The best trade offer would likely be Wiggins, the 2nd pick, the Wolves 2021 1st and Golden State's 2022 1st.

The picks are good, but I wouldn't touch Wiggins with a bargepole. This sounds more reasonable, but who'd take Wiggins unless for someone like Horford?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

OKC has a SHIT ton of picks and could offer this:

The advantages are that the bucks also offload Bledsoe and all of the players they get are (a) young and (b) on one year contracts. But mostly the appeal would be the picks.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But I think the Bucks will try their damnest to fix up the team round Giannis (they're rumored to be after Bogdanovic from the Kings for extra shooting) unless he outright tells them it's over.

 

[blazerkor]

But I think the Bucks will try their damnest to fix up the team round Giannis (they're rumored to be after Bogdanovic from the Kings for extra shooting) unless he outright tells them it's over.

Then they're fucked because if they don't make the move or moves that wins them a chip Giannis bolts. If they are smart they are pressing him right now to see if he will extend and if he doesn't they get what they view as the best package possible on or by draft day.

On another note if they did that three way trade with OKC and the Knicks then they would probably want to get as many young assets and picks as they can for Middleton, Hill and BroLo too because that move points towards a total rebuild. All of that said I don't know if OKC gives up all of those picks, Chris Paul's value and takes on Bledsoe when they would be in the same boat with Giannis because I think if they didn't win it all with him next season he would be out of there too and I don't think they would win the title.