Gitmo Detainee’s Genitals Were Sliced With A Scalpel

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Last week, two British High Court judges ruled against releasing documents describing the treatment of Binyam Mohamed, a British resident who is currently being held at Guantanamo Bay. The judges said the Bush administration “had threatened to withhold intelligence cooperation with Britain if the information were made public.”

But The Daily Telegraph reported over the weekend that the documents actually “contained details of how British intelligence officers supplied information to [Mohamed's] captors and contributed questions while he was brutally tortured.” In fact, it was British officials, not the Americans, who pressured Foreign Secretary David Miliband “to do nothing that would leave serving MI6 officers open to prosecution.” According to the Telegraph’s sources, the documents describe particularly gruesome interrogation tactics:

The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed’s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, “is very far down the list of things they did,” the official said.

Another source familiar with the case said: “British intelligence officers knew about the torture and didn’t do anything about it.”

“It is very clear who stands to be embarrassed by this and who is being protected by this secrecy. It is not the Americans, it is Labour ministers,” former shadow home secretary David Davis said. But one unnamed U.S. House Judiciary Committee member told the Telegraph that if President Obama “doesn’t act we could hold a hearing or write to subpoena the documents. We need to know what’s in those documents.”

Mohamed remains at Guantanamo Bay and “is currently on hunger strike.” “All terror charges against him were dropped last year,” the Telegraph reported.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/09/mohamed-torture-uk-us/
 
Good.

They deserve it.
 
Im just gonna ignore that statement since you are just trying to get a rise out of me...
 
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They do deserve it. And I don't give a fuck about you. I'm not trying to get a rise out of you. If your a terrorist, you deserve to be tortured. That simple. Stop being so arrogant and acting like my posts revolve around you. Obviously you care what I say and want to see what I say if you have to sit here and respond to everything I say and act like it is directed towards you. Good job ignoring it. You made a post in direct reference to it. EPIC FAIL.
 
He shouldn't be hanging out with terrorist. If he was being held, there was reason to hold him. Suspicion, at least. If he didn't answer their questions and was tortured, it was for a reason.

Oh well. Sucks for him. My genitals are fine, his aren't.
 
Black Mamba said:
He shouldn't be hanging out with terrorist. If he was being held, there was reason to hold him. Suspicion, at least. If he didn't answer their questions and was tortured, it was for a reason.

Oh well. Sucks for him. My genitals are fine, his aren't.
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I'm guessing "genital maiming" is not an acceptable interrogation method for prisoners of war. I'm not saying you let the dude run free, but there are rules governing what you can and can't do.

-Pop
 
Is it disgusting? Yeah, but come on, we all know what was going, we all had a sense of it. Torture is torture and there are endless amounts of things that can be done. The fact that this is being leaked out is disgusting. This shit should be kept in doors. Never air out dirty laundry like this, people will start having sympathy for these heartless bastards.
 
Exactly how am I clueless? Was it your cousin, or something that they tortured?
 
If your a terrorist, you deserve to be tortured.
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After Bush shit all over the Constitution and committed war crimes...yeah, I guess thats okay /sarcasm
 
I sure hope this report is false.

barfo
 
If a guy was about to cut my dick off, I'd tell the truth. If they did end up cutting it off, I'd beg for death, assuming I couldn't get free to kill the mother fucker that used the blade.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/dodmemos.pdf

This declassified memo from Rumsfeld to field commanders details 3 categories of interrogation techniques that can be used at Gitmo:

Category I:
Yelling at the detainee, multiple interrogators, and deception (lying, presenting falsified documents to detainne).

Category II:
Forced to stand for hours, isolation for up to 30 days, questioning detainees outside the standard questioning area, light deprivation, 20 hour interrogations (detainees allowed 4 hours sleep minimum), forced grooming (forced to shave), denial of comfort items including clothing and books, use of fear dogs

Category III:
Convince detainee death or severe pain is imminent, though no death threats allowed, pushing or poking the detainee with a finger, and waterboarding, exposure to cold weather (in cuba?).
 
I never thought I'd find myself ever agreeing with Black Mamba, but I do see his point of view to a certain extent. If I have a known terrorist on my hands who's sole purpose in life is to kill americans as well as other innocent people, to include women and children- and do it just for fun from a deeply demented mind, then I'm going to extract every ounce of information from him I can. To be sure, I'd start with whatever is considering internationally legal first and foremost, but at some point in time if I have good reason to believe he is withholding something important, it's gonna get a little rough and I'm going to get what I need. Period.

At some point in time, fighting demented people like this has to go beyond liberal appeasement and conservative 'nation invading'. Both of those have proven to be idiocy. It has to become more personal and the only language people with twisted minds understand is blunt force. At some point in time the fight has to be taken to their house.
 
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Black Mamba said:
He shouldn't be hanging out with terrorist. If he was being held, there was reason to hold him. Suspicion, at least. If he didn't answer their questions and was tortured, it was for a reason.

Oh well. Sucks for him. My genitals are fine, his aren't.
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First of all, he probably was a terrorist, who knows.

But, secondly, suppose your cousin was a terrorist. And you didn't know it, and you hung out with your cousin. So, by your logic you deserve to get your genitals sliced open.

Yeah, that makes great sense.

Not only does torture fail to get correct information many times, but it's also a reflection of the society and the morals and ethics of people within a society. If it's all about "they started it and they're willing to do X, Y, and Z" then let's just nuke the f out of them and get it over with. Then we can all walk around with our d**** hanging out proclaiming how we're the biggest.
 
yakbladder said:
Not only does torture fail to get correct information many times, but it's also a reflection of the society and the morals and ethics of people within a society. If it's all about "they started it and they're willing to do X, Y, and Z" then let's just nuke the f out of them and get it over with. Then we can all walk around with our d**** hanging out proclaiming how we're the biggest.
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Torture for torture's sake often gets the information the person believes you want to hear. Also, it's meant for retribution rather than information gathering. Our intelligence agencies have worked for decades to calculate the most effective means of interrogation meant to get actual information. I find it difficult to believe that we're sadists, but you're free to believe what you wish.

Also, we don't want a government that believes a foreign life is as important as an American life. They're our representatives, so we had better come first. It's the job of the UN to try to treat everyone equally. Gordon Brown needs to put Britain first, Medvedev needs to put Russia first and President Obama needs to put America first.
 
maxiep said:
Torture for torture's sake often gets the information the person believes you want to hear. Also, it's meant for retribution rather than information gathering. Our intelligence agencies have worked for decades to calculate the most effective means of interrogation meant to get actual information. I find it difficult to believe that we're sadists, but you're free to believe what you wish.

Also, we don't want a government that believes a foreign life is as important as an American life. They're our representatives, so we had better come first. It's the job of the UN to try to treat everyone equally. Gordon Brown needs to put Britain first, Medvedev needs to put Russia first and President Obama needs to put America first.
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Very well stated.
 
Main Event said:
Probably not. Just the thought of it though...
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No kidding. When I read that initial article, I crossed my legs and winced. I'm sorry, but a guy just doesn't do that to another dude unless it's consenual. That's just not cricket.
 
Question though:

Why is he being held at Guantanamo Bay and not HMP Belmarsh (which is pretty much England's equivalent)?
 
maxiep said:
Torture for torture's sake often gets the information the person believes you want to hear. Also, it's meant for retribution rather than information gathering. Our intelligence agencies have worked for decades to calculate the most effective means of interrogation meant to get actual information. I find it difficult to believe that we're sadists, but you're free to believe what you wish.

Also, we don't want a government that believes a foreign life is as important as an American life. They're our representatives, so we had better come first. It's the job of the UN to try to treat everyone equally. Gordon Brown needs to put Britain first, Medvedev needs to put Russia first and President Obama needs to put America first.
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Did I use the word sadists? Oh wait, that's right, I didn't. So please don't put words into my mouth.

This isn't a question of "whose life is worth more" this is a question of what lengths governments, societies, and the like will go to in order to try and gain information that may or may not be incorrect and what value they place upon the rule of law. I've refrained from pointing out the bolded statement in the main posting where it says the charges were dropped - that's an entirely different and disturbing issue - regardless of whether I may personally feel the individually was guilty.
 
yakbladder said:
Did I use the word sadists? Oh wait, that's right, I didn't. So please don't put words into my mouth.

This isn't a question of "whose life is worth more" this is a question of what lengths governments, societies, and the like will go to in order to try and gain information that may or may not be incorrect and what value they place upon the rule of law. I've refrained from pointing out the bolded statement in the main posting where it says the charges were dropped - that's an entirely different and disturbing issue - regardless of whether I may personally feel the individually was guilty.
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Which other term would you use? You seem to believe that we're torturing prisoners even though we know we'll get bad information from them. What other motive would we have?

Again, I say the goal on interrogation is to obtain legitimate and correct information. You seem to believe we torture first and not care what the answers are. It's sad you think that little of your fellow Americans.
 
maxiep said:
Which other term would you use? You seem to believe that we're torturing prisoners even though we know we'll get bad information from them. What other motive would we have?

Again, I say the goal on interrogation is to obtain legitimate and correct information. You seem to believe we torture first and not care what the answers are. It's sad you think that little of your fellow Americans.
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Hrm, how do you know how I feel about fellow Americans? You don't. Yet again you mis-quote what I say and interpret my statements to mean what you want. I'm done debating you - you don't really have an argument, you just have your beliefs about what everyone else you don't know thinks.
 
yakbladder said:
Hrm, how do you know how I feel about fellow Americans? You don't. Yet again you mis-quote what I say and interpret my statements to mean what you want. I'm done debating you - you don't really have an argument, you just have your beliefs about what everyone else you don't know thinks.
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I see you blaming me for your own incoherence. Look in the mirror. That's the important first step.
 
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