Give your best answer... Did the universe have a beginning or not

[MarAzul]

Okay, here's what would surprise me the least: it's a cycle, just like everything else in nature.

Also, thinking in terms of "before" the big bang seems wrong to me. Time is a pretty arbitrary construction, and is just another dimension in which the universe moves. Our vantage point is what changes as we move through it, so things appear to change. But I think you a second ago is no less real than you right now. So in that sense, I feel that the universe is infinite, and we are as but microbes immersed in it

Only atheist can view themselves as microbes. The rest of us that know we have been created to have much more value.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

'Tis an infinite monster.

Even though the Big Bang kinda removed this idea but even that is merely a theory.

 

[MARIS61]

No.

Precisely speaking, beginning and end are 2 concepts which have never been recorded or observed because they don't exist. There is no such thing as beginning and end, only redistribution of energy and matter.

Like god, they are man's feeble attempt to change reality into something basic that he can hold onto.

 

[MARIS61]

My personal belief is God always was.

That contradicts your belief that the universe had a beginning.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Only atheist can view themselves as microbes. The rest of us that know we have been created to have much more value.

The rest of you, whoever you are, see the observable universe and say, "this is all for us." It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to think we are special in the grand scheme of things.

 

[crowTrobot]

Ah I get it now... You don't have a mind if your own, and just like breaking down other's beliefs. Safe...

dude! why so confrontational?

I said I don't know. I don't even know how to think about the question.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Ok, kind of an offshoot of Mags' question -- explain dark matter.

And no, I'm not talking about Haynes

I kid, I kid.

 

[magnifier661]

dude! why so confrontational?

I said I don't know. I don't even know how to think about the question.

No the first thing I saw from u was immediately acting in some defense, like it was some Christian vs atheism debate.

This is debated among naturalists bro. And as I said, there is no wrong answer. Just wondering what people are leaning towards

 

[Further]

For me, I break the question into two parts. 1, was there a beginning to our specific universe? 2, is there something outside of our universe that had a beginning?

For #1, yes, I think most likely, although I am perfectly open to being wrong, I think our specific universe had a beginning. Most models have this, the big bang is an example of it. Of course the big bang could be a stage after the collapse of the previous stage of the universe. But considering that our universe is in our time, and that time would been broken at the big bang, even if there were a universe precipitating ours, that would be in another time construct, meaning that our universe would have still have had a specific beginning.

As for #2, I have no feeling one way or another. I like reading theories about it, but once you talk about a construct outside of our laws, I really can't even start to comprehend what that means. I try, but if I think long enough I just go bat shit crazy.

 

[magnifier661]

That contradicts your belief that the universe had a beginning.

How so?

 

[magnifier661]

For me, I break the question into two parts. 1, was there a beginning to our specific universe? 2, is there something outside of our universe that had a beginning?

For #1, yes, I think most likely, although I am perfectly open to being wrong, I think our specific universe had a beginning. Most models have this, the big bang is an example of it. Of course the big bang could be a stage after the collapse of the previous stage of the universe. But considering that our universe is in our time, and that time would been broken at the big bang, even if there were a universe precipitating ours, that would be in another time construct, meaning that our universe would have still have had a specific beginning.

As for #2, I have no feeling one way or another. I like reading theories about it, but once you talk about a construct outside of our laws, I really can't even start to comprehend what that means. I try, but if I think long enough I just go bat shit crazy.

Great answer. Makes sense

 

[magnifier661]

Ok, kind of an offshoot of Mags' question -- explain dark matter.

And no, I'm not talking about Haynes

I kid, I kid.

I think Denny has a good theory on dark matter. He should answer this. I don't know about it that much

 

[magnifier661]

No.

Precisely speaking, beginning and end are 2 concepts which have never been recorded or observed because they don't exist. There is no such thing as beginning and end, only redistribution of energy and matter.

Like god, they are man's feeble attempt to change reality into something basic that he can hold onto.

So u don't believe in the Big Bang?

 

[Further]

Actually I would love to have crow (I think he studies this) should give us a little lesson of the most compelling dark matter theories. Although anyone who is well read on the subject, please speak up, I would love some explanations that don't require a doctorate.

 

[magnifier661]

Actually, every answer here is very likely wrong.

barfo

You are taking the question too literally. The comment "no wrong answer" is referring that I seek only your opinion, not actual empirical evidence.

So what do you believe bro?

 

[PapaG]

I think my unproven thing has more merit than your unproven thing.

 

[Jesus Christ Son of God]

I asked dad, he said he didn't create the universe. It's more of a long term lease.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I asked dad, he said he didn't create the universe. It's more of a long term lease.

 

[magnifier661]

I asked dad, he said he didn't create the universe. It's more of a long term lease.

Lol

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I asked dad, he said he didn't create the universe. It's more of a long term lease.

Anyway you can save our Blazers for us?

I've been really good and have been saying my prayers.

 

[magnifier661]

I think my unproven thing has more merit than your unproven thing.

I think that's what's really cool about this thread. It sucks people decided to make it a theist vs atheist debate.

This is an unknown topic and the only one that actually had a original thought regarding the matter was jlpk. Is he right? No! It just means he's not afraid to say what he believes to be true.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

In other words - it's beyond human comprehension.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I think that's what's really cool about this thread. It sucks people decided to make it a theist vs atheist debate.

This is an unknown topic and the only one that actually had a original thought regarding the matter was jlpk. Is he right? No! It just means he's not afraid to say what he believes to be true.

You might have better luck with a different thought experiment like Schrödinger's cat.

It's been a while Mags. How have you been?

 

[magnifier661]

In other words - it's beyond human comprehension.

Dark matter or my question?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

You know it had a beginning.

 

[magnifier661]

You might have better luck with a different thought experiment like Schrödinger's cat.

It's been a while Mags. How have you been?

Great buddy, just enjoying a relaxing day with my family

 

[Hobbesarable]

Great buddy, just enjoying a relaxing day with my family

That's wonderful. It doesn't get any better than that!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Dark matter or my question?

How/when/what the universe is.

 

[barfo]

You are taking the question too literally. The comment "no wrong answer" is referring that I seek only your opinion, not actual empirical evidence.

So what do you believe bro?

I believe I'll have another beer. Thanks for asking!

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

The rest of you, whoever you are, see the observable universe and say, "this is all for us." It takes a special kind of willful ignorance to think we are special in the grand scheme of things.

Ah! There it is, one of the very reasons many people don't want someone of this persuasion teaching their children they are about the same as microbes.

I took my grandson on a field trip South Slough National Estuarine Reserve last year. The biologist conducting the tour did a credible job explaining all manner of things to the kids. Then he fucked it up by explaining that a local salamander was nearly the same as human beings with DNA about 98% the same. My grandson asked me about that on the way home, are we really the same as that salamander?
I told him no but that man used a trick to make it seem that way, He just used the gross scale to make you think 98% is close. Most biologist that work there are proud to proclaim their progressive values. They pretty much need to have them to get into the Marine Biology program run in Charelston by the U of O. If you use the scale that will show the differences in DNA between the races of people or even just primates, the salamander isn't even on the scale.