Given the roster he had to work with this year, did Girardi do a good job?

[yankeesince59]

No comments necessary...a simple yes or no will do.

 

[Pastafazul]

UNCLE u got me 59 please stop!!! i beg of you!! i'm about to jump.... please remove this thread b4 another response! i'm not worthy i'm not worthy!!!

 

[blgridesagain]

I voted NO - Girardi stood by and watched his lineups continue to flounder BIG TIME without SHAKING IT UP (moving Tex away from the middle of the order)....not having Ellsbury bat leadoff for TOO LONG.....not implementing any plays with runners on base---> "hit and run".....he hardly ever starts the runners.....He is a prisoner to his players.....doesn't have, or didn't display any leadership with his players -- offensively....afraid to kick butts and send a message or two or three to these underachieving, overpaid pride-less chumps. I don't care if it didn't work...it is HIS JOB to to try, and MANAGE, let the team see his displeasure instead of patting guys on the ass all the time.

 

[Pastafazul]

these guys know this blg, ain't nobody dat toopit! this board is just a cat fight!

 

[Messiah717]

I voted NO - Girardi stood by and watched his lineups continue to flounder BIG TIME without SHAKING IT UP (moving Tex away from the middle of the order)....not having Ellsbury bat leadoff for TOO LONG.....not implementing any plays with runners on base---> "hit and run".....he hardly ever starts the runners.....He is a prisoner to his players.....doesn't have, or didn't display any leadership with his players -- offensively....afraid to kick butts and send a message or two or three to these underachieving, overpaid pride-less chumps. I don't care if it didn't work...it is HIS JOB to to try, and MANAGE, let the team see his displeasure instead of patting guys on the ass all the time.

There was a large stretch where Ellsbury was the only guy in the lineup hitting. What's being accomplished batting him leadoff?

 

[blgridesagain]

There was a large stretch where Ellsbury was the only guy in the lineup hitting. What's being accomplished batting him leadoff?

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Jeter bats 2nd- Ellsbury gets on base with less than two out? Jeter is very capable of hitting ground balls ..and has hit ALOT of them this year.

How about starting Ellsbury with Jeter at bat? Possibly hit-and-run resulting in 1st and 3rd with one or less outs....possibly allowing Ellsbury to steal 2nd base while Jeter is up...then you have TWO chances for a run with a base hit.
And Girardi should've dropped Tex from the middle of order...Tex absolutely killed this team. And I really don't care too much who Girardi put in his place.

When I say shake up the lineup- if only to send a message-
I mean shake up the lineup.

 

[totus44]

http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=11598946

OK naysayers.... Start your apology tour.

 

[Messiah717]

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Jeter bats 2nd- Ellsbury gets on base with less than two out? Jeter is very capable of hitting ground balls ..and has hit ALOT of them this year.

How about starting Ellsbury with Jeter at bat? Possibly hit-and-run resulting in 1st and 3rd with one or less outs....possibly allowing Ellsbury to steal 2nd base while Jeter is up...then you have TWO chances for a run with a base hit.
And Girardi should've dropped Tex from the middle of order...Tex absolutely killed this team. And I really don't care too much who Girardi put in his place.

When I say shake up the lineup- if only to send a message-
I mean shake up the lineup.

You can't shift shit around and hope it doesn't stink.

 

[blgridesagain]

You can't shift shit around and hope it doesn't stink.

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Sounds good, I hear ya. But---

This team had/has plenty of well established professionals who are NOT making their retirement tour...know what I mean?

What some of us are talking about is this---> Sure, you can't shuffle sh!t around and hope it still doesn't stink, but you sure can COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.

This came out after Jeter's final homegame.

Here's a piece of it:

It was a speech the likes of which I've never heard him give before," said the source, who was in the room during the meeting. "It's something he probably should have said back in spring training."

Girardi confirmed the incident took place -- he preferred to describe it as "a team meeting" -- but refused to supply any details of what he said to the team or if any particular players were singled out for his wrath.

"I'm not going to go into what I talked about," Girardi said. "Write whatever you want.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/sto...r-yankee-stadium-finale?ex_cid=espnapi_public


He should've said it at the start of August - AND continue to shake up the lineup by rewarding those who were hitting ..and penalize those those who were stinking up the place.

 

[cagedlion]

Believe me, no secret the big fat cats on this roster could not
HIT their weight.....Girardi should have benched these guys
earlier in the season.........in stead of us bitching game after
game how pathetic they were.....especially at the plate.
They know who they are. Total busts all season long.
Guess who?

 

[blgridesagain]

Believe me, no secret the big fat cats on this roster could not
HIT their weight.....Girardi should have benched these guys
earlier in the season.........in stead of us bitching game after
game how pathetic they were.....especially at the plate.
They know who they are. Total busts all season long.
Guess who?

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Thank you - I, and others agree 100%

 

[Pastafazul]

http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=11598946

OK naysayers.... Start your apology tour.

on the contrary counselor, this is exactly my point about a rah rah BS personality! u coddle your players all year then at years end u decide to scold... sorry, thats why shite like banning ice cream in clubhouse got out to public... he is immature. PERIOD! you think the players are gonna take that to the off season and say OHHHHHHH i must work hard in the off season and come back ready cause i got joe mad? thats laughable...

 

[Pastafazul]

a coach should never be concerned about who the player is or how much money they make, the coach wants all his players contracts done b4 the season starts so there is NEVER a discussion about it!!!!! a coach's responsiblity is to win every game! and that is why this season was a failure, it wasn't the injuries, every team has them, it was joes loyalty to jeter tex CC and every other big name on this team, cause he was afraid to hurt their feelings... great coaches don't give a shite about that... maybe if joe cared more about the job he wouldn't be makin that speech, now it will be percieved as him tryin to save his job!

 

[Messiah717]

Tex and Beltran simply didn't hit. McCann didn't hit for a good chunk of the season. That's the meat of the lineup they expected and needed production from. Especially after losing Cano to free agency. Why that's so hard to understand is beyond me.

 

[yankeesince59]

...lmao.

...even when confronted with multiple opinions of others and asked multiple times if a "board poll" would suffice without response, and then presented with a fair and impartial poll, it's FINALLY replied to but is arbitrarily cast aside as if it doesn't matter.



...gotta love the hypocrisy.

 

[yankeesince59]

Tex and Beltran simply didn't hit. McCann didn't hit for a good chunk of the season. That's the meat of the lineup they expected and needed production from. Especially after losing Cano to free agency. Why that's so hard to understand is beyond me.

...yup, the 3-4-5 spots were a black hole for most of the season.

...and that of course, was Girardi's fault...gotta laugh at the suggestions that these guys should have been bench in lieu of others, but those "others" were not named.

 

[blgridesagain]

...yup, the 3-4-5 spots were a black hole for most of the season.

...and that of course, was Girardi's fault...gotta laugh at the suggestions that these guys should have been bench in lieu of others, but those "others" were not named.

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Those 3-4-5 spots were occupied much too long by players those same guys who were largely responsible for it being a black hole-
Tex, McCann , Beltran...especially Tex

If Girardi would've only dropped Tex to 6th or 7th while he was obviously deteriorating and put just about ANY OTHER guy in his spot it would've been an improvement. His 2nd half numbers were begging Girardi to do it-
BA .182 OBP.276 SLG%.307 OPS.583<----good God!

I know what some might say - nobody else was doing much better..
..oh really?

I'm telling you I would've often played mix and match with the middle of the lineup as it became clear it WAS a black hole.
Maybe Ichiro on occasion...maybe Cervelli on occasion- he WAS one of their better hitters and HAS BEEN one of the team's BEST hitterS w/runners on base/scoring position. How about Headly ? Prado began to hit with the team pretty soon after he was acquired. I wouldn't of hesitated to put him in the 3 or 4 spot while he was healthy and hitting.

Girardi showed no initiative or ability to think on the fly as he watched this team being sunk by 2 or 3 guys in the middle of the order - I'll give Beltran sort of a pass because I believe he was hurt. But I would've also dropped him in the order.

 

[yankeesince59]

...and replaced them with exactly who?

...and you're right, "nobody else was doing much better". Like I already said. "...gotta laugh at the suggestions that these guys should have been bench in lieu of others, but those "others" were not named."


...loling at the hate with no alternate plan...classic. The voters have spoken.

 

[Messiah717]

Yup that's it. Just put anybody in that spot. Put career bottom of the order guys in the cleanup spot and they will be stars. This is becoming laughable.

 

[yankeesince59]

...yup, Headley was the only one who could have been any better than Tex, then you have the defensive side of the equation to weigh. And then you have to have a replacement for Headley at 3B.

...the Yanx simply did not have good enough players in the right spots this year...again, not Girardi's doing.

 

[yankeesince59]

Believe me, no secret the big fat cats on this roster could not
HIT their weight.....Girardi should have benched these guys
earlier in the season.........in stead of us bitching game after
game how pathetic they were.....especially at the plate.
They know who they are. Total busts all season long.
Guess who?

...I'll ask again..."and replace them with who?"

 

[yankeesince59]

Yup that's it. Just put anybody in that spot. Put career bottom of the order guys in the cleanup spot and they will be stars. This is becoming laughable.

...but, but, but, pasta was a professional Baseball player !

 

[blgridesagain]

Yup that's it. Just put anybody on that spot.

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Yup - that is it! lol
Let me ask you a simple question - did you see Tex' 2nd half stats in post 17?
Never mind - here they are: BA .182 OBP.276 SLG%.307 OPS.583 lmao...are you serious?

I thought I offered an alternative (post 17).
Mix and match the 3-4-5 on occasions....many occasions.
Drop Tex to the 6th or 7th spot AND LEAVE HIM THERE until he showed prolonged improvement.
Not only has Tex' numbers deteriorated rapidly before our eyes in the last 2 or so months...he's become an EASY OUT and very easy to pitch to.

I would've preferred Ichiro, Cervelli, Prado, Gardner instead of Tex in the mid order. Prove to me it wouldn't have helped win a few more games. One thing is CERTAIN...you would have more speed.
Cervelli was one of their better hitters this year.
At least McCann WAS hitting the ball hard with his low BA earlier in the season...I swear the guy could've lost more hard hit balls to the shift than any other in the league. But that's another story.

Tell you what - take your pick, ANYONE ELSE from the regular lineup and Ichiro/Cervelli in place of Tex batting 4th or 5th. ANYONE ELSE.
How's that for starters? Easy enough? Try, you can do it...ask '59 for some help... lol
Girardi should've gotten that slug the hell out of there a long time ago.
This isn't some perrenial all-star iconic great slugger type...he owes Tex NOTHING!
And yes, if it did rub him the wrong way- too darn bad.

I understand I cannot prove this would've helped the team win a few more games....
...and I also know "you" cannot prove it wouldn't have. Lets leave it at that.
It's just one of those opinion things that a handful of posters are kicking around. lol


Joe Madden, Billy Martin? Somebody? Helllllllllp.....take Girardi's brain out of the shoebox.

 

[yankeesince59]

Tell you what - take you pick, ANYONE ELSE in place of Tex batting 4th or 5th.
Girardi should've gotten that slug the hell out of there a long time ago.
This isn't some perrenial all-star iconic great slugger type...he owes Tex NOTHING!
And yes, if it did rub him the wrong way- too darn bad.

...so in other words, it would not have mattered who played in place of Tex.

I understand I cannot prove this would've helped the team win a few more games....
...and I also know "you" cannot prove it wouldn't have.

...so in other words, you're trying to prove a negative.

 

[blgridesagain]

...so in other words, it would not have mattered who played in place of Tex.





...so in other words, you're trying to prove a negative.

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So, in other words, you can't grasp the concept of switching around a batting lineup on occasion?

Do me a favor...lets drop this because I can see where you're trying to go.
You've finally understood that I would've preferred if Girardi would've WRITTEN DIFFERENT NAMES (I'm trying to make it easier for you) on occasions in the 3-4-5 spots of the batting order.

This shouldn't be too hard for some to understand. You may disagree...fine. Now go ahead...analyze it.

 

[yankeesince59]

...nothing to analyze...you want to switch the batting order in no particular way with no particular names...in other words, "this line up sux, I want it changed, but I have no idea how"....brilliant.

 

[blgridesagain]

...so in other words, you're trying to prove a negative.

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So, in other words, you don't believe in shaking up a lineup. Good for you.

I'm impressed.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^...so in other words, you want the line up to be shaken up but you have no idea how...I'm not impressed.

 

[Pastafazul]

Tex and Beltran simply didn't hit. McCann didn't hit for a good chunk of the season. That's the meat of the lineup they expected and needed production from. Especially after losing Cano to free agency. Why that's so hard to understand is beyond me.

mess, i agree with you 1zillion % , nothing was done to change it tho , and thats why it persisited.. man!!! get some one pizzzed, challenge someone!!! do you really believe girardi challenged anyone on this roster? holy snikesssss!!! roberston, what was it a year ago, 2, i forget senility settin in, when mo went down and robertson when asked ' u ready to fillin 4 mo??? he said he had doubts about himself????? man if i was coach , GONE!!!!!!! u have doubts about yourself when u r already in the show? that's fooked up!!!!!

 

[yankeesince59]

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