Giving Dame "a Chance"

[Stevenson]

I am so tired of the national conversation that seems to imply that Dame has never had a chance to win here, as if he's been on something like that old Clippers team back win the day. It's BS.

For starters, that team with Wes, Rolo, Lamarcus, Dame, and Nic was very solid. Had Wes not blown out his achilles, they would have gone far. Similarly, just a few years ago, they went to the WCF. As we say in my tribe, that's not chopped liver.

Dame has had plenty of chances to win here. I don't see how, for instance, he goes to Miami and they have any better of a chance, given what they would have to trade away to get him.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am so tired of the national conversation that seems to imply that Dame has never had a chance to win here, as if he's been on something like that old Clippers team back win the day. It's BS.

For starters, that team with Wes, Rolo, Lamarcus, Dame, and Nic was very solid. Had Wes not blown out his achilles, they would have gone far. Similarly, just a few years ago, they went to the WCF. As we say in my tribe, that's not chopped liver.

Dame has had plenty of chances to win here. I don't see how, for instance, he goes to Miami and they have any better of a chance, given what they would have to trade away to get him.

That’s the problem. Miami will trade a steaming pile of trash for him. They’d keep Jimmy and Bam. That’s the most important thing.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That’s the problem. Miami will trade a steaming pile of trash for him. They’d keep Jimmy and Bam. That’s the most important thing.

I actually think adding Caleb Martin would be a nice role player starting at SF next to Scoot and Shae.

How do we feel about Jovic and Jaques?

 

[Tince]

I am so tired of the national conversation that seems to imply that Dame has never had a chance to win here, as if he's been on something like that old Clippers team back win the day. It's BS.

For starters, that team with Wes, Rolo, Lamarcus, Dame, and Nic was very solid. Had Wes not blown out his achilles, they would have gone far. Similarly, just a few years ago, they went to the WCF. As we say in my tribe, that's not chopped liver.

Dame has had plenty of chances to win here. I don't see how, for instance, he goes to Miami and they have any better of a chance, given what they would have to trade away to get him.

Since getting off his rookie deal, Dame's supporting cast hasn't been good. In fact, I've been unable to find a 7 time, All-NBA player, who stuck with one team, that was never surround by another all-star after that rookie deal was up. If he were traded to Miami, Jimmy and Bam would vault to two of the three most talented players he's ever played with. Of course, this doesn't mean he'd win a title, but he'd certainly have a better chance.

Dame has won a lot of games in Portland, but a narrative that he hasn't had much talent around him is probably not emphasized enough. I was certainly banging that drum a few years ago when a common narrative was attributing us not winning 50+ games more often being due an offense with a low assist rate and a drop coverage defense. It was always a talent issue.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I actually think adding Caleb Martin would be a nice role player starting at SF next to Scoot and Shae.

How do we feel about Jovic and Jaques?

Love Jovic

 

[crandc]

All we are saying
Is give Dame a chance

 

[blazerkor]

I actually think adding Caleb Martin would be a nice role player starting at SF next to Scoot and Shae.

How do we feel about Jovic and Jaques?

Along with them only having two picks to swing our way, that's just not close to enough. The other guys they have aren't close to enough if they want to leave the core of Dame, Jimmy and Bam together... I guess if they could find teams that significantly overvalue Lowry and Herro they might be able to put something together.

Again Miami might be Dame's number one preferred destination but he already mentioned another preferred destination in Brooklyn who has a boatload of picks and expiring contracts one of which Nic Claxton that we would probably want if we felt good about re-signing him.

As far as the OP goes, @Stevenson I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. LaMarcus left after just three seasons with Dame and while that roster had a nice starting lineup its bench was absolute shit. Since then not an all star and never a starting lineup that came close to making sense around Dame. Yeah we got to the WCF but that run was generated by a combination of luck but more so the amazing position Dame put teammates in with every team trying to replicate how the Pelicans had swept us the previous year. Dame had more gravity in that run than any player I can remember because no one really respected anyone else including CJ on that team.

Just abysmal roster construction around him since his third year in the league, with his first season the team not even being good enough to make the playoffs and like I said during those next two seasons we trotted out pretty nice starting lineups with absolute shit coming off the bench. Give me a fucking break.

 

[RonBrewer]

It's the Dog Days of Summer. The NBA Dudes need shit to write about so they keep the agenda alive. Keeps them relevant to act as if they know what's going on.

Only took them and a lot on this board to completely twist Cronin' words into what they have.

 

[sheed30]

Love Jovic

what do you love about him?

 

[BankTeller]

I am so tired of the national conversation that seems to imply that Dame has never had a chance to win here, as if he's been on something like that old Clippers team back win the day. It's BS.

For starters, that team with Wes, Rolo, Lamarcus, Dame, and Nic was very solid. Had Wes not blown out his achilles, they would have gone far. Similarly, just a few years ago, they went to the WCF. As we say in my tribe, that's not chopped liver.

Dame has had plenty of chances to win here. I don't see how, for instance, he goes to Miami and they have any better of a chance, given what they would have to trade away to get him.

Well based on the trade proposals I've seen (Herro, Jovic, crap, and two 1sts), I'd say they aren't trading away much to get him, so they definitely would have a better chance than us.

 

[riverman]

Along with them only having two picks to swing our way, that's just not close to enough. The other guys they have aren't close to enough if they want to leave the core of Dame, Jimmy and Bam together... I guess if they could find teams that significantly overvalue Lowry and Herro they might be able to put something together.

Again Miami might be Dame's number one preferred destination but he already mentioned another preferred destination in Brooklyn who has a boatload of picks and expiring contracts one of which Nic Claxton that we would probably want if we felt good about re-signing him.

As far as the OP goes, @Stevenson I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. LaMarcus left after just three seasons with Dame and while that roster had a nice starting lineup its bench was absolute shit. Since then not an all star and never a starting lineup that came close to making sense around Dame. Yeah we got to the WCF but that run was generated by a combination of luck but more so the amazing position Dame put teammates in with every team trying to replicate how the Pelicans had swept us the previous year. Dame had more gravity in that run than any player I can remember because no one really respected anyone else including CJ on that team.

Just abysmal roster construction around him since his third year in the league, with his first season the team not even being good enough to make the playoffs and like I said during those next two seasons we trotted out pretty nice starting lineups with absolute shit coming off the bench. Give me a fucking break.

I disagree....Portland is Dame's number 1 destination, not Miami.

 

[Mediocre Man]

what do you love about him?

Watch his tape. He’s tall, can shoot, and has a chance to be a pretty damn good player

 

[Blazinaway]

All we are saying
Is give Dame a chance

Dame's best chance to win a title is not in Portland, and given Dame's contract and age Portland's best chance for contention IMO is to build with Shae and Scoot and assets garnered from a Dame trade and the huge cap flexibility down the road with Dame's huge contract off the books and likely shorter contracts coming back

 

[sheed30]

Watch his tape. He’s tall, can shoot, and has a chance to be a pretty damn good player

Ya but it’s highlights.

Let’s not forget both Zach Collins and Myers Leonard could both do those things too lol

plus he was picked 27th in the draft. 26 other teams passed on him, so not sure I would get too hyped on him

 

[Everything Beagle]

Ya but it’s highlights.

Let’s not forget both Zach Collins and Myers Leonard could both do those things too lol

plus he was picked 27th in the draft. 26 other teams passed on him, so not sure I would get too hyped on him

Something something Cliff Robinson, Draymond Green, et al. Just because a lot of folks pass on a guy doesn't (necessarily) mean he's garbage.

 

[sheed30]

Something something Cliff Robinson, Draymond Green, et al. Just because a lot of folks pass on a guy doesn't (necessarily) mean he's garbage.

Doesn’t mean he is good either. Those are diamonds in the rough. I would rather a better package than one that includes him personally

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ya but it’s highlights.

Let’s not forget both Zach Collins and Myers Leonard could both do those things too lol

plus he was picked 27th in the draft. 26 other teams passed on him, so not sure I would get too hyped on him

Ok

 

[LayneStaley]

I like Jovic too, think Martin would be the perfect SF for us and Jaques is a complete stud and does that dirty work a winning team needs someone to do. With all that said I don’t want to trade him to Miami out of spite, their fans have been more delusional than most delusional NBA fans. They aren’t on a Steven A hate level yet but they are climbing. No Heat or Knicks trades. Brooklyn or Bust Dame.

 

[STOMP]

plus he was picked 27th in the draft. 26 other teams passed on him, so not sure I would get too hyped on him

how many teams passed on Jokic?

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[sheed30]

how many teams passed on Jokic?

STOMP

I get the point yes, it can happen. But 98% of the time it won't turn into that, so not sure why you're using that example.

No reason to think it's ok to take Miami's package but you like the upside of Jovic, which won't pan out 98% as history as proved.

 

[STOMP]

I get the point yes, it can happen. But 98% of the time it won't turn into that, so not sure why you're using that example.

No reason to think it's ok to take Miami's package but you like the upside of Jovic, which won't pan out 98% as history as proved.

Jovic is not my guy, but to dismiss the possibility a young player might blossom siting because teams passed on him (as you did) is ridiculous having been disproven umpteen times. If someone believes player X will develop in time, fine, they're calling their shot. We're just sharing opinions here, none of our discussions effect what transpires in any way.

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[sheed30]

Jovic is not my guy, but to dismiss the possibility a young player might blossom siting because teams passed on him (as you did) is ridiculous having been disproven umpteen times. If someone believes player X will develop in time, fine, they're calling their shot. We're just sharing opinions here, none of our discussions effect what transpires in any way.

STOMP

Bro, I asked him what he loves about Jovic, and I was told " He’s tall, can shoot, and has a chance to be a pretty damn good player"

I am not dismissing it completely, did I say that? It's ridiculous you are making it to seem that way, and it is facts more time those players don't pan out...I don't want to take on Jovic and the rest of the package from Miami because he has "potential"
There is better packages out there if we trade Dame, which is my main point to the Jovic talk.

 

[TBpup]

Bro, I asked him what he loves about Jovic, and I was told " He’s tall, can shoot, and has a chance to be a pretty damn good player"

I am not dismissing it completely, did I say that? It's ridiculous you are making it to seem that way, and it is facts more time those players don't pan out...I don't want to take on Jovic and the rest of the package from Miami because he has "potential"
There is better packages out there if we trade Dame, which is my main point to the Jovic talk.

That is so S2. Take something someone says, and twist it around to imply something very different than the very words that were typed.

 

[STOMP]

oh good grief TBpup, get a grip. I responded to what he wrote, feel free to read it for yourself. Saying that a player isn't going to turn out to be something because teams passed over him in the draft... most illogical

STOMP

 

[sheed30]

oh good grief TBpup, get a grip. I responded to what he wrote, feel free to read it for yourself. Saying that a player isn't going to turn out to be something because teams passed over him in the draft... most illogical

STOMP

Lmao, what’s more illogical is someone thinking a 27th pick in the draft is good because he is “tall, can shoot and has potential to be good”

And because of that, that’s a good trade piece to take if we trade Dame to you?

funny you would mention illogical.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lmao, what’s more illogical is someone thinking a 27th pick in the draft is good because he is “tall, can shoot and has potential to be good”

And because of that, that’s a good trade piece to take if we trade Dame to you?

funny you would mention illogical.

He went 27th, but he was projected lottery. The fact that he dropped in the draft doesn't determine whether he's a high-potential prospect.

 

[Chris Craig]

Regardless of Jovic's potential, Miami's offer for Lillard is garbage, and the Blazers shouldn't even consider taking it, so it's moot.

 

[sheed30]

He went 27th, but he was projected lottery. The fact that he dropped in the draft doesn't determine whether he's a high-potential prospect.

I understand that, but the fact that he is “tall, can shoot and has potential to be good” isnt a good enough reason for me to think that's a piece from Miami I would be ok trading Dame for with the rest of the garbage the Heat can offer.

How many people in the NBA is tall, can shoot and has potential to be good? That was a vague response to me genuinely asking him what he "loves" about Jovic.

He could be decent or even good one day, who knows but I dont wany anything from the Heat. The Sixers and the Nets have better trade pieces if we trade Dame, imo.

That's my main point.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I understand that, but the fact that he is “tall, can shoot and has potential to be good” isnt a good enough reason for me to think that's a piece from Miami I would be ok trading Dame for with the rest of the garbage the Heat can offer.

How many people in the NBA is tall, can shoot and has potential to be good? That was a vague response to me genuinely asking him what he "loves" about Jovic.

He could be decent or even good one day, who knows but I dont wany anything from the Heat. The Sixers and the Nets have better trade pieces if we trade Dame, imo.

That's my main point.

Nets for sure have good pieces (plus good draft picks) but what is better about the Sixers? Seem to be just as bad as the Heat imo.

 

[STOMP]

Lmao, what’s more illogical is someone thinking a 27th pick in the draft is good because he is “tall, can shoot and has potential to be good”

And because of that, that’s a good trade piece to take if we trade Dame to you?

funny you would mention illogical.

So sorry that I, and others, responded to the stupid stuff you wrote. Next time I'll consider the source & let it marinate

STOMP