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SantaDora said:
So we still ahead of the curve given the tankapalooza of 2002-2006...
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We would have been if we had stayed healthy/drafted Durant instead of Oden. Called heads instead of tails and Hakeem would have won us multiple titles. Had Ewing come out that year we would have won multiple titles as well. Portland knew in advance about Roy and Oden's knees. Had they been smart and not bet everything on red, we would be the darlings of the NBA with Durant, Gay and Aldridge. Dealing Gay for something else
 
Mediocre Man said:
We would have been if we had stayed healthy/drafted Durant instead of Oden. Called heads instead of tails and Hakeem would have won us multiple titles. Had Ewing come out that year we would have won multiple titles as well. Portland knew in advance about Roy and Oden's knees. Had they been smart and not bet everything on red, we would be the darlings of the NBA with Durant, Gay and Aldridge. Dealing Gay for something else
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I am having a hard following your arguments. On one side - we must rebuild, on the other hand, from the Nash/Finley/Dirk trio we, like Dallas, lost Nash (Roy) and Finley (Oden) - and are left only with Dirk (Aldridge) which did not rebuild by tanking. You have to make up your mind.

I think what this team does is right - they have the right guy to build around in Aldridge - and they try to get experience and collect role players and good contributors with potential tax flexibility. Wallace/Felton/Mathews are a good set to get with the high-potential Batum and potential cap flexibility going forward to put pieces around Aldridge.
 
People talk shit about tankapalooza from 2003-2006 but we COULD have had a team at one point with:

Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
 
Natebishop3 said:
People talk shit about tankapalooza from 2003-2006 but we COULD have had a team at one point with:

Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
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Not very likely that we would get both LMA and Roy with Deron, not to mention a high-enough pick for Durant/Oden.

Given that you can not rewrite history - a LMA/Durant duo is the best we could have had now.
 
SantaDora said:
Not very likely that we would get both LMA and Roy with Deron, not to mention a high-enough pick for Durant/Oden.

Given that you can not rewrite history - a LMA/Durant duo is the best we could have had now.
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Sure, but I'm just going off of players that could have been had in drafts that we picked.
 
It is unlikely in any situation where we drafted Gay we'd end up with Durant the following year. We won the 1st pick when we were slotted for the 6th or 7th, I believe. We had a tied record with Minnesota (humorously who would have been a slot below us outright, and thus won the 2007 draft, if KG hadn't beat us on a buzzer beater in Minnesota earlier the year). If we had drafted Gay and LaMarcus in 2006 it is likely our record would have been significantly worse than it was. Seattle and Atlanta weren't even in the top three, infact, none of the top three worse records were in the top 3 picks that year.

Sacramento 33 49 .402 34 5-6 14-19 12-32 21-17 0-5
Charlotte 33 49 .402 34 2-4 15-23 16-25 17-24 5-5
New York 33 49 .402 34 10-10 10-23 15-28 18-21 6-2
Portland 32 50 .390 35 11-7 9-29 15-28 17-22 5-5
Minnesota 32 50 .390 35 7-10 9-25 14-30 18-20 6-4
Atlanta 30 52 .366 37 7-7 11-30 11-31 19-21 2-6
Seattle 31 51 .378 36 10-10 14-23 10-34 21-17 2-3
Milwaukee 28 54 .341 39 4-8 10-28 11-31 17-23 1-4
Boston 24 58 .293 43 4-12 7-20 8-32 16-26 4-1
Memphis 22 60 .268 45 5-12 8-26 10-36 12-24 3-5
 
Mediocre Man said:
Fair. I think Portland has to start there. It's not the only way to do it for every team though
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I'm not opposed to be rebuild, but I honestly feel like the west is wide open right now. This might not last very long, with OKC, LAC, Memphis, Minny, and Sac all building young teams that have a lot of talent on them. The Lakers look like shit, Dallas is playing terrible, and really only OKC looks like a legit contender right now. If we could make a couple moves, I could really see this team making a push for a championship this season. They might not get past Miami, but at least they could get there. I think we need a steady hand at the point and another front court guy. Maybe that's not Nash or Gasol, but there has to be a couple guys out there that we could steal for a season or two.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
It is unlikely in any situation where we drafted Gay we'd end up with Durant the following year. We won the 1st pick when we were slotted for the 6th or 7th, I believe. We had a tied record with Minnesota (humorously who would have been a slot below us outright, and thus won the 2007 draft, if KG hadn't beat us on a buzzer beater in Minnesota earlier the year). If we had drafted Gay and LaMarcus in 2006 it is likely our record would have been significantly worse than it was. Seattle and Atlanta weren't even in the top three, infact, none of the top three worse records were in the top 3 picks that year.

Sacramento 33 49 .402 34 5-6 14-19 12-32 21-17 0-5
Charlotte 33 49 .402 34 2-4 15-23 16-25 17-24 5-5
New York 33 49 .402 34 10-10 10-23 15-28 18-21 6-2
Portland 32 50 .390 35 11-7 9-29 15-28 17-22 5-5
Minnesota 32 50 .390 35 7-10 9-25 14-30 18-20 6-4
Atlanta 30 52 .366 37 7-7 11-30 11-31 19-21 2-6
Seattle 31 51 .378 36 10-10 14-23 10-34 21-17 2-3
Milwaukee 28 54 .341 39 4-8 10-28 11-31 17-23 1-4
Boston 24 58 .293 43 4-12 7-20 8-32 16-26 4-1
Memphis 22 60 .268 45 5-12 8-26 10-36 12-24 3-5
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Hmm... I didn't think about that, but you're probably right. The team would have been quite a bit worse with Gay instead of Roy.
 
magnifier661 said:
I know some think it was an upgrade when we traded almost our entire 98 team to get Smitty and Pippen, but I really think we had something with the team we already had.
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We traded away Kelvin Cato, Isiah Rider, Walt Williams and Jim Jackson for Pippen and Smith. Those were excellent trades; we already had Bonzi as our 3rd SG, Jermaine Oneal as our 3rd center, and just added Detlef Schrimf at backup SF. Those were two of the best steals of a trade our franchise has ever made.

The bad trades were trading away Jermaine Oneal and Brian Grant the following summer. We made the back to back western conference finals primarily because of the Rasheed/BGrant/Sabonis big man rotation. Then we traded Steve Smith away for the ability to over pay Derek Anderson and overpaid to sign Rubean Patterson. Then traded Rasheed away for crap players and unable to admit our mistake decided to give them fat contract extensions. You actually see that a lot, teams overpay their own player to validate their previous poor decision to acquire said player.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'm not. They have had three home games against mediocre teams. Denver is ok, but I will bet by the end of the year none of those teams will be anything to write home about.
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Philly and Denver are both playoff teams. We have the 2nd highest point differential in the league with a +11.7

But, I get it, its your MO to short sell the Blazers.
 
I think Denver will be very good - but Philly is good but not special and the Kings are meh.

Too early to tell where this team really stands.
 
MickZagger said:
Philly and Denver are both playoff teams. We have the 2nd highest point differential in the league with a +11.7

But, I get it, its your MO to short sell the Blazers.
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So far we have been good. That doesn't say anything about our opponents. I am not short selling anyone.
 
SantaDora said:
I think Denver will be very good - but Philly is good but not special and the Kings are meh.

Too early to tell where this team really stands.
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Let's play a fucking road game is all I'm saying, right?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Let's play a fucking road game is all I'm saying, right?
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We have a veteran team. This isn't going to be like the young teams we've had in the past that went to the East and picked up goose eggs on a trip.
 
MickZagger said:
We have a veteran team. This isn't going to be like the young teams we've had in the past that went to the East and picked up goose eggs on a trip.
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We should be a lot better on the road with this team, for sure Sans injuries
 
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/30/a-strong-start-in-portland/
Now, the Blazers must take their show on the road. Their schedule has yet to provide much adversity, and they’ve now got two days off. But they play nine of their next 13 games away from the Rose Garden, and we’ll see what they’re really made of in the next week, when they face the Clippers (at L.A. on Sunday), Thunder (at OKC on Tuesday), and Lakers (at home on Thursday).
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I think they have a good possibility to go 2-1 in their next games. They always play the Thunder well in OKC, I can see the Clippers game going either way - especially if Jordan is taken out of the game early, and I expect to beat the Lakers at home.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Let's play a fucking road game is all I'm saying, right?
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Oh hush!

Is that some of that new-fangled "reason" stuff all you kids are talking about? You just keep that godless-commie-nonsense outa here! Your forebearers made it over Donner pass with nothing but a wagon-load of kool-aid and rose colored sunglasses. :smiley-drone::smiley-borg::smiley-rif:
 
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