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I think the question we should be asking is, Is God's Mother Dead?
 
There is a thought that Jesus was created to lure pagan sun worshippers into the church, the sun/son of god.
 
Asking for evidence anything supernatural is unreasonable, because "evidence" is by definition observable, and the only things that could potentially qualify as evidence of the supernatural would be that which lacks a natural explanation, and anything but yet explainable is simply qualified as " not yet understood". It is an intentionally disingenuous request.
 
By the way, claiming that the present existence of self replicating cells is, in and of itself, proof that self replicating cells can originate from non-self-replicating matter is a massive logical fallacy. It would be akin to claiming that the presence of a cake in my house is proof that I baked it. It intentionally discounts the possibility of any other source by insisting that the method it's existence supposedly proves is the only possible option. That is poor logic, and poor science.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
By the way, claiming that the present existence of self replicating cells is, in and of itself, proof that self replicating cells can originate from non-self-replicating matter is a massive logical fallacy. It would be akin to claiming that the presence of a cake in my house is proof that I baked it. It intentionally discounts the possibility of any other source by insisting that the method it's existence supposedly proves is the only possible option. That is poor logic, and poor science.
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Well said!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
By the way, claiming that the present existence of self replicating cells is, in and of itself, proof that self replicating cells can originate from non-self-replicating matter is a massive logical fallacy. It would be akin to claiming that the presence of a cake in my house is proof that I baked it. It intentionally discounts the possibility of any other source by insisting that the method it's existence supposedly proves is the only possible option. That is poor logic, and poor science.
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Your analogy is flawed.

At the time of the big bang, there were no bits of anything that make up the bits of matter. So there could be no self replicating molecules. Now there are these molecules.

Something happened between now and then to make them. It wasn't "god."
 
Denny Crane said:
Your analogy is flawed.

At the time of the big bang, there were no bits of anything that make up the bits of matter. So there could be no self replicating molecules. Now there are these molecules.

Something happened between now and then to make them. It wasn't "god."
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Denny Crane said:
Your analogy is flawed.

At the time of the big bang, there were no bits of anything that make up the bits of matter. So there could be no self replicating molecules. Now there are these molecules.

Something happened between now and then to make them. It wasn't "god."
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Why wasn't it? The existence of matter is not proof of the big bang, only proof that the matter had some source. Why can't that source be God?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why wasn't it? The existence of matter is not proof of the big bang, only proof that the matter had some source. Why can't that source be God?
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Because God doesn't matter!

Or should I have posted that in the bad jokes thread?

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Mag's religious topics always go to like 20 pages, he's a master at this.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Asking for evidence anything supernatural is unreasonable, because "evidence" is by definition observable, and the only things that could potentially qualify as evidence of the supernatural would be that which lacks a natural explanation, and anything but yet explainable is simply qualified as " not yet understood". It is an intentionally disingenuous request.
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It's unreasonable to ask for evidence of anything supernatural because it isn't a coherent concept.

On the other hand I can trivially think of hypothetical evidence that would indicate life on earth was created by a superior being of some kind.
 
Denny Crane said:
Your analogy is flawed.

At the time of the big bang, there were no bits of anything that make up the bits of matter. So there could be no self replicating molecules. Now there are these molecules.

Something happened between now and then to make them. It wasn't "god."
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You do realize that you just explained "God". I knew you were a closet Theist! Then again you believe in supernatural events like self replicating molecules able to generate from non genetic life.
 
crowTrobot said:
It's unreasonable to ask for evidence of anything supernatural because it isn't a coherent concept.
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Like believing in something as supernatural as a molecule self replicating from non-genetic material?

Because the natural occurrence is genetics are required to create new genetics. It is unnatural to expect something without genetic life manifest from non-genetic materials
 
crowTrobot said:
It's unreasonable to ask for evidence of anything supernatural because it isn't a coherent concept.

On the other hand I can trivially think of hypothetical evidence that would indicate life on earth was created by a superior being of some kind.
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Why? Seriously, why? Incoherent? I personally think the concepts that atheists have put forth are unfathomably ridiculous and unbelievable, even desperate at times.

And I guess that I just have to accept that some people see the world differently, because I see the hands of the Creator everywhere I look. Not sure if this a moral/heart/authority problem or just the way some people perceive things. I personally believe it's a combination of both.
 
magnifier661 said:
No I mean "unnatural". Natural is to actually observe this occurrence.
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And never demonstrated, even when intelligent life attempts to do so. Pretty ironic if you ask me. We all have faith, it's just placed in different places.
 
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MadeFromDust said:
Why? Seriously, why? Incoherent? I personally think the concepts that atheists have put forth are unfathomably ridiculous and unbelievable, even desperate at times.

And I guess that I just have to accept that some people see the world differently, because I see the hands of the Creator everywhere I look. Not sure if this a moral/heart/authority problem or just the way some people perceive things. I personally believe it's a combination of both.
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I believe it's because man has ego. They want to believe that the harder they try, they can achieve achievements greater than others. With God, no matter how hard you try, you will never be best.

The second is "If there is a God, then there is accountability". With accountability, especially knowing that this creator can see even their deepest secretes, they are scared that they must answer for their actions and thoughts.
 
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