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Scalma said:
The thing is Turners objectively the second best passer on a team that doesn’t have many to begin with. Taking him out puts a lot of pressure on guys to win one on one matchups instead of racking up easy buckets. That will be an issue in the playoffs. Contract aside, I think he’s a little under appreciated. I wish we had someone better to fill his role, but I don’t think we do.
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I think he’s third behind Dame and Nurk, but ya know thats just an argument to argue, Ill give you this one heh. :)
 
CupWizier said:
You are a real peach buddy. Learn the difference between a fact and opinion. His numbers are facts. Why he plays is YOUR opinion. Have you ever heard anyone from the Blazers coaching staff state that he plays because of his salary? Please provide the link. Now please cease with the name calling and personal attacks. It makes you look like the fool.

By the way, the purpose of a forum is for discussion of a subject. That's all.
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Lmao. Sorry man but you really think anyone would ocme iut and admit he plays because he makes more? That stuff you keep to yourself and within imner circles only.

And props is right. This is a forum to discuss, analyze, interpret and provide OPINIONS of things based on the facts.

What is sooo wrong with that?
 
CupWizier said:
You are a real peach buddy. Learn the difference between a fact and opinion. His numbers are facts. Why he plays is YOUR opinion. Have you ever heard anyone from the Blazers coaching staff state that he plays because of his salary? Please provide the link. Now please cease with the name calling and personal attacks. It makes you look like the fool.

By the way, the purpose of a forum is for discussion of a subject. That's all.
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Does a tree make a sound when falling in the woods if no one is around to see and hear it????.......
 
Orion Bailey said:
Lmao. Sorry man but you really think anyone would ocme iut and admit he plays because he makes more? That stuff you keep to yourself and within imner circles only.

And props is right. This is a forum to discuss, analyze, interpret and provide OPINIONS of things based on the facts.

What is sooo wrong with that?
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Nothing is wrong with an opinion as long as the person stating it realizes it's an opinion. What is wrong is forming an opinion and stating it as a fact.
 
Orion Bailey said:
But!!!!
It didnt happen if it wasnt reported!!!!!!!!!
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Now your posts are reaching new lows. Obviously after yesterday and today I may have to rethink putting you back on ignore. I see no value in a discussion with you lately.
 
CupWizier said:
You are a real peach buddy. Learn the difference between a fact and opinion. His numbers are facts. Why he plays is YOUR opinion. Have you ever heard anyone from the Blazers coaching staff state that he plays because of his salary? Please provide the link. Now please cease with the name calling and personal attacks. It makes you look like the fool.

By the way, the purpose of a forum is for discussion of a subject. That's all.
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That's what I'm saying! No shit why he plays is my opinion! Everyone knows what an opinion is!

It works this way: people are smarter than you think. Quit insulting everyone by telling them their opinions are their opinions as if they don't already know it! We know already! And we know that you don't value other people's opinions (and I don't have a link). Great. Thing is, I do. I want to know what other people think and that's why I visit this goddamn forum.

I like you and most everyone else here. I'm sorry
 
Scalma said:
The thing is Turners objectively the second best passer on a team that doesn’t have many to begin with. Taking him out puts a lot of pressure on guys to win one on one matchups instead of racking up easy buckets. That will be an issue in the playoffs. Contract aside, I think he’s a little under appreciated. I wish we had someone better to fill his role, but I don’t think we do.
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The (old) new staggering of CJ and Dame has brought back that style from a couple of years ago. CJ isn't the best passer, but he's certainly adequate.
 
Propagandist said:
That's what I'm saying! No shit why he plays is my opinion! Everyone knows what an opinion is!

It works this way: people are smarter than you think. Quit insulting everyone by telling them their opinions are their opinions as if they don't already know it! We know already! And we know that you don't value other people's opinions (and I don't have a link). Great. Thing is, I do. I want to know what other people think and that's why I visit this goddamn forum.

I like you and most everyone else here. I'm sorry
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You said it was FACT. Now you agree with me and say it is your opinion. Learn the difference. I am done here as this discussion went beyond any usefullness and your pitiful name calling shows your childish side. Buh bye.
 
CupWizier said:
Man, you are crazy. You said it was FACT. Now you agree with me and say it is your opinion. Learn the difference. I am done here as this discussion went beyond any usefullness and your pitiful name calling shows your childish side. Buh bye.
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Just reread already. You've made a forum career out of nitpicking things you've misinterpreted.
 
CupWizier said:
Man, you are crazy. You said it was FACT. Now you agree with me and say it is your opinion. Learn the difference. I am done here as this discussion went beyond any usefullness and your pitiful name calling shows your childish side. Buh bye.
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I'm a little crazy, but it's with zero malice. So it's safe.
 
CupWizier said:
Now your posts are reaching new lows. Obviously after yesterday and today I may have to rethink putting you back on ignore. I see no value in a discussion with you lately.
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no value because you cant teach certain old dogs new tricks.

Please do excersize your choice. All you do is insult those that dont agree with you and most dont agree with you.

Carry on.
 
CupWizier said:
Man, you are crazy. You said it was FACT. Now you agree with me and say it is your opinion. Learn the difference. I am done here as this discussion went beyond any usefullness and your pitiful name calling shows your childish side. Buh bye.
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Seems you can only converse with a few on here. Those that agree with you. The moment you dont agree you throw a tantrum.

This is all too common these days and so sad...
 
Scalma said:
His assist % is second the team. And he’s usually the only playmaker on the second unit.
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that's more a comment on the job Olshey has done in getting any playmakers besides Dame, rather then on Turner's 'skill' as one

Turner is tied for 81st in the league in assist rate, meaning there are 80 players better at assist rate than him. If you filter for 30 games played, there are 62

worse, is his turnover rate. His assist-rate/turnover-rate ratio is 1.25. Dame's is 2.63 and he's no wizard at protecting the ball. For chrissakes, Nurkic's ratio is 1.23 and he gets called for lots of screen fouls. When your 2nd best offensive facilitator is at the same level as Nurkic in play-making efficiency there's an issue
 
Orion Bailey said:
no value because you cant teach certain old dogs new tricks.

Please do excersize your choice. All you do is insult those that dont agree with you and most dont agree with you.

Carry on.
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And who did i insult? You? Or the guy that called me a lazy bastard or apologizes and changed it to old bastard? Maybe i should have insulted him and said he was a stupid bastard and claimed it to be fact. I simply said that propsy stated an opinion and not a fact and then for whatever reason you stick your nose in trying to stir things up agIn. It's what you do consistently in the forum and then go all drama queen on the forum with shallow apoligies.

We are also done here.
 
CupWizier said:
And who did i insult? You? Or the guy that called me a lazy bastard or apologizes and changed it to old bastard? Maybe i should have insulted him and said he was a stupid bastard and claimed it to be fact. I simply said that propsy stated an opinion and not a fact and then for whatever reason you stick your nose in trying to stir things up agIn. It's what you do consistently in the forum and then go all drama queen on the forum with shallow apoligies.

We are also done here.
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You referenced the other day. You imsulted bodyman pretty much out of the blue.

You insult peoples intelligence all the time. You dont know you are doing it so you dont think you do it. But you do. Many people have told you this, yet you still turn a blind eye.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's more a comment on the job Olshey has done in getting any playmakers besides Dame, rather then on Turner's 'skill' as one
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Maybe, but the bottom line is the current roster is what Terry has to deal with at this very moment, so any suggestions by others that Terry should not play him.....he doesn't have much of a choice. ET's contract is not the reason.
 
Scalma said:
The thing is Turners objectively the second best passer on a team that doesn’t have many to begin with. Taking him out puts a lot of pressure on guys to win one on one matchups instead of racking up easy buckets. That will be an issue in the playoffs. Contract aside, I think he’s a little under appreciated. I wish we had someone better to fill his role, but I don’t think we do.
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I mean the team had 29 assists last game. I know it's just one game but it suggests passing might not be an issue.

The other thing is it's harder for other players to get assists when Turner is in the game because he can't hit a jump shot, even when left wide open, and the spacing is worse because of it when Kanter is already down low.
 
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CupWizier said:
Nothing is wrong with an opinion as long as the person stating it realizes it's an opinion. What is wrong is forming an opinion and stating it as a fact.
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Fact is he hurts the team when he's on the floor and shouldnt be playing. Stats say that. So why is he playing?
 
wizenheimer said:
Worse, is his turnover rate. His assist-rate/turnover-rate ratio is 1.25. Dame's is 2.63 and he's no wizard at protecting the ball. For chrissakes, Nurkic's ratio is 1.23 and he gets called for lots of screen fouls. When your 2nd best offensive facilitator is at the same level as Nurkic in play-making efficiency there's an issue
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For the reason you stated, Nurk is definitively the more efficient playmaker compared to Turner.

It's also a problem when facilitating is his only "strength".
 
You'd have to be blind or foolish (or both) to not realize the reason why Turner plays so much in the regular rotation.
 
BonesJones said:
Fact is he hurts the team when he's on the floor and shouldnt be playing. Stats say that. So why is he playing?
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That is an opinion and not a fact. Why are facts and opinions so hard for some of you to understand? A fact would be, Turner averages 23.3 mpg this year.
 
Propagandist said:
The fact that Evan Turner plays tells us otherwise.
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Here's another fact. He makes our team worse when he plays over guys like CJ/Seth/Moe/Jake.

His net rating is 8th on the team at +0.7. The only ones worse are Hood (+0.3), Collins (-1.0), Leonard (-3.3), Kanter (-10.9), followed by the rookies. Hood and Kanter don't have nearly the sample size as the rest of our rotation.

Jake's is +3.2. Moe is at +4.0. CJ at +5.3. Seth at +5.5.

It's not just this year, Turner was 12th on our team in net rating last year, and 14th the year prior. He sucks and he makes our team worse. He plays because of his salary and some cooked up image Terry has of him as a good defender and veteran leader. I don't buy it.
 
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