Good Helfrich read

[STOMP]

BLAH, BLAH,BLAH only 4 true DT' recruited in four years, you can't back your argument, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, 95th best D or worse in country depending on your rose colored glasses, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, no one fears this D anywhere, BLAH,BLAH,BLAH, this is a prevent D at best and even if you call it a 3-4, or a 4-3 hybrid this D puts minimal pressure on the QB which is why we're getting crushed in short yardage passing lanes and why true freshman RB's like AZ gouged us to death!! Questions? Didn't think so...

Please however STOP mixing and misquoting my points to give your weak attempt at football knowledge and your lack of overall understanding of any positions a voice! A DE can be 6'6 + a DT needs to be shorter with better leverage and be able to get under pad level consistently. AA and Buckner are DE's it's okay for me to think their height is great until we play them as DT's or for goodness sakes at the NG position. You don't and can't win a championship with a D this poor and this team has to get over that hump. Getting a new defensive scheme at worst can't be worse than this crap, + something tells me a new D philosophy might just appeal to the DT's we haven't been able to land before cause they might be used properly for once!

I backed up my points just fine, you're just :MARIS61: as per usual. Yet another unhinged freak out about the DLine derailing a thread, this time about the HC who coaches the Offense. Your current oft repeated claims about DLineman are completely at odds with what you were selling us just as obnoxiously 2 years ago. But no matter, today you're right and everyone who disagrees deserves to be insulted. ESPN, Duck coaches, & of course me. 4 NT signed in 4 years? Yeah that sounds about right as the general recruiting goal is to get about one guy per spot per year, just like at QB.

The way you went on & on & on & on about Eddie V is matter of public record and speaks for itself. I made note back then that to accommodate adding the 6'3 EV was when you completely changed your tune about how the entire Duck line had to be over 6'6. Back in those days I was having to point out that they continued to recruit kids under 6'6 to counter your nonsense that that was a good thing/the way it was/everybody better get used to it! These days I'm still having to point out the many sub 6'6 kids they recruit, but now it's to counter your ridiculous claims that they don't do it and it's a bad thing. While your views have completely flip flopped, reality hasn't changed much for Oregon coaches. Regardless of what they're labeled, they still target long tall kids for their two DLine spots which line up outside of the NT. I'm sure they'd love to play tall stocky athletic kids in those spots too like they did in the Rose Bowl vs Wisconsin, but those types are easier to build then sign straight out (see Deforest Buckner)... not a whole lot of D1 DTs coming out of the NW. I'm sure if they had their druthers, the kids they land wouldn't necessarily be the same ones that are signed. You win some, you lose some, but for the record, 6'0 335 Daylon Mack was one of their earliest offers this cycle. Offers for Jacob Daniel, Kahlil McKenzie & Rasheem Green came shortly there after. Green, Neville Gallimore & possibly Terry Beckner Jr are all coming on OVs & of course Rex Manu was already here. The amount of facts that fly in the face of your oft relayed expert insights are just so overwhelming

On a side note, should we take notice of the fact you're sizing up players by how attractive they are, while the rest of the board is discussing defensive schemes and players roles, wins and losses, you're however noticing some DT's eye color and oddly projecting those "Stomp Points of Interest" on someone else? I don't think anyone on this board knew what Vanderchicken's eye color was but oddly you knew that little nugget. That and the fact you've said I was BUTT HURT numerous times before and seemingly have crushes on players... hmmm.. Odd statements to another male you've never met! No judgment..... just an interesting tell on your part! Project much?

I'm sure a person who calls himself STOMP doesn't in fact own the box set of Mad Max movies with the matching chaps, probably hasn't named his dog ZED and probably SHOULD have thought this through a little better, huh Mouth?

I've said you shared EV's butt hurt exactly 1 time... I know this because I've only used that expression 1 time in my life. I've heard it used many times and never really thought of it as a gay slur, apparently neither does Urban Dictionary. Regardless, I see you're trying to shut down yet another thread, this time with the Targus tact... never mind my Jessica Alba line, speculate away

STOMP

 

[1honestfan]

My problem with Helfrich started last season. It seemed like the players had no fear of him. The comments that Huff and DAT made after the loss toe Stanford made me feel like they just really didn't care anymore if they couldn't play for the natty, and they weren't afraid of Helf doing anything to them for making those comments publicly.

I think he's a really nice guy. I think everyone likes him a lot, but I don't care if everyone likes him. Chip Kelly is a dick. Nick Saban is a dick. I don't think Helf has the gravitas to be the head coach of an elite football program.

Thank you for pointing this out. The only thing that I want to add to this with is the fact that both Frost and Helfrich worked under Kelly and his system was implemented; why the hell they (Frost, Helfrich, Pellum) went away from that system in games is beyond me.

 

[1honestfan]

Chip was just cutting edge in a lot of areas.

From the uptempo offense, to the way the team practiced, nutrition, recovery etc etc. He read up on this stuff and applied it.

Not sure what Helfrich is doing, but I don't get the vibe from him that he's out there looking for every little edge. I just don't see it. It's certainly not showing.

I agree. As stated in my last post (Before seeing this one), I just don't understand why the coaching staff totally abandoned (What appears) everything Chip had installed. Just to be clear, I am not asking Helfrich to be a Chip Kelly but I am asking him to trust that process buy into that process, and to maintain that process.

 

[1honestfan]

Stomp,


Let's do this retort quickly SPARKY.....


BLAH, BLAH,BLAH only 4 true DT' recruited in four years, you can't back your argument, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, 95th best D or worse in country depending on your rose colored glasses, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, no one fears this D anywhere, BLAH,BLAH,BLAH, this is a prevent D at best and even if you call it a 3-4, or a 4-3 hybrid this D puts minimal pressure on the QB which is why we're getting crushed in short yardage passing lanes and why true freshman RB's like AZ gouged us to death!! Questions? Didn't think so...

Please however STOP mixing and misquoting my points to give your weak attempt at football knowledge and your lack of overall understanding of any positions a voice! A DE can be 6'6 + a DT needs to be shorter with better leverage and be able to get under pad level consistently. AA and Buckner are DE's it's okay for me to think their height is great until we play them as DT's or for goodness sakes at the NG position. You don't and can't win a championship with a D this poor and this team has to get over that hump. Getting a new defensive scheme at worst can't be worse than this crap, + something tells me a new D philosophy might just appeal to the DT's we haven't been able to land before cause they might be used properly for once!


On a side note, should we take notice of the fact you're sizing up players by how attractive they are, while the rest of the board is discussing defensive schemes and players roles, wins and losses, you're however noticing some DT's eye color and oddly projecting those "Stomp Points of Interest" on someone else? I don't think anyone on this board knew what Vanderchicken's eye color was but oddly you knew that little nugget. That and the fact you've said I was BUTT HURT numerous times before and seemingly have crushes on players... hmmm.. Odd statements to another male you've never met! No judgment..... just an interesting tell on your part! Project much?

I'm sure a person who calls himself STOMP doesn't in fact own the box set of Mad Max movies with the matching chaps, probably hasn't named his dog ZED and probably SHOULD have thought this through a little better, huh Mouth?

Anyway.... Swim Block has left for today...

Go Ducks!

That's awesome.

 

[tlongII]

Thank you for pointing this out. The only thing that I want to add to this with is the fact that both Frost and Helfrich worked under Kelly and his system was implemented; why the hell they (Frost, Helfrich, Pellum) went away from that system in games is beyond me.

Specifically what is it about Kelly's system that they have gone away from?

 

[Quack U!]

They are indecisive in the RED ZONE, have been conservative on 4th downs where Kelly would have gone for it, and the offense never started this slowly under Kelly with this much talent in the 1st quarter!

 

[MickZagger]

They are indecisive in the RED ZONE, have been conservative on 4th downs where Kelly would have gone for it, and the offense never started this slowly under Kelly with this much talent in the 1st quarter!

Nowhere near as a imaginative with the play calling offensively.

 

[1honestfan]

They are indecisive in the RED ZONE, have been conservative on 4th downs where Kelly would have gone for it, and the offense never started this slowly under Kelly with this much talent in the 1st quarter!

Agree.

 

[1honestfan]

Nowhere near as a imaginative with the play calling offensively.

Agree with as well but also want to add lack of rhythm as well.

 

[STOMP]

Specifically what is it about Kelly's system that they have gone away from?

not as many healthy 1st & 2nd string OLineman is my main gripe. Hard to read much into the play calling when opponents are dominating the line of scrimmage.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

bump! So much insight and wisdom in this thread...

STOMP

 

[Quack U!]

Someone explain the theory on the apathetic 3rd down D for the whole year whenever it's convenient? Sure blame the LB's and in space tackling all you want. Yet it seems convenient to forget to accurately assess that when we actually apply consistent pressure from the D line great things happen! Did Pellum notice? Otherwise average QB's like Hogan, Geoff, Hundley and the freshman from AZ look like All American's against us do to their pocket comfort and/or ability to run on our super soft prevent D!

That's a coaching philosophy and not the players, cause the D seems to react quite well when prevent is flushed for the shutting down philosophy.

 

[STOMP]

So headed for the inaugural playoffs & being favored to win a championship by at least one oddsmaker and you're sticking to your guns that the coaches need to be fired? Really? With egg all over your face, instead of admitting the obvious (that you were completely wrong again) you're trying to look down your nose and go on the attack

the jokes are stale as a Mojave cowchip but comedy is all you've got

STOMP

 

[Quack U!]

Our 3rd down D has been awful all year! It's been the glaring weakness! I don't think Pellum is a great D coordinator and spotting any team points playing WEAK PREVENT in the first half so you can make adjustments seems like a waste of a half to me! I think our offensive side of the ball and our secondary and special teams coaches are great! Our D line coach and D coordinator are weak links and no one would dispute that!

But back the Specific Question....

Focus now Sparky the question was 3rd down defense. It's a specific question and instead of making another sweeping STOMPING mistake in your retort as usual try reading the question and for once answering it!

Hell for your never played football mind, let's just look at the defense as a whole...... Here's one to think about Mouth......

"Jason Quick of The Oregonian laid out the problems the Oregon defense is going to have convincing the College Football Playoff committee of their right to play for a title. The Ducks’ defense is allowing more passing yards per game (290), yards per carry (4.4), and points scored (26) than any National Championship winner in the last 10 years. There is no doubt that their high octane offense is impressive, but members of the playoff committee are going to want to see a complete team, one that’s competitive on both sides of the ball.
"

Would you like to take a crack at that?

Actually don't..... Every time you answer anything about actual football knowledge or play we all become dumber! Just stick to attacking poster anonymously and patting yourself on the back for doing so!

 

[STOMP]

Our 3rd down D has been awful all year!

true

It's been the glaring weakness! I don't think Pellum is a great D coordinator and spotting any team points playing WEAK PREVENT in the first half so you can make adjustments seems like a waste of a half to me! I think our offensive side of the ball and our secondary and special teams coaches are great! Our D line coach and D coordinator are weak links and no one would dispute that!

so completely ridiculous on it's face yet so sincere. FYI you're not close to being in the majority opinion with this annual fire the coaches stuff, you're way way out on the lunatic fringe. Coaches who win year after year don't get fired, they get big new contracts.

you attempting to talk down to anyone is good times!

"Jason Quick of The Oregonian laid out the problems the Oregon defense is going to have convincing the College Football Playoff committee of their right to play for a title. The Ducks’ defense is allowing more passing yards per game (290), yards per carry (4.4), and points scored (26) than any National Championship winner in the last 10 years. There is no doubt that their high octane offense is impressive, but members of the playoff committee are going to want to see a complete team, one that’s competitive on both sides of the ball.
"

why did you put quotes around this? Like most things you type it makes zero sense. 2nd why in the world would you think anyone respects what Jason Quick has to say? How can anyone who follows Oregon sports not know that Quick is despised as a smug lazy POS by many to most. Might as well quote George Bush. Last question, why should I answer any of your questions when you avoid all of mine?

so to sum things up, the professionals who make their living off of predictions are laying odds that Oregon is the favorite to win the National Championship but you think they should fire their coaches and back up that opinion with Jason Quick's latest drivel.

So so sorry that your hoped for record of 7-5 is no longer possible

STOMP

 

[Quack U!]

Only two stats you need to be silenced yet again:

103rd ranked total defense in the country sitting between UMASS and South Carolina.

114th ranked 3rd down D in between Iowa St and Purdue.

These are NCAA rankings as of this year a week ago...

Our offense is being asked to do to much and be perfect while the D shows up in spurts at best. Next year when we don't have the greatest QB in the nation, the spotlight will be glaring on Pellum's D to anti up.

If we didn't have Dargan, Big Buck, Ifo and Hill we'd have lost 2 more games this year for sure. They are winning on athleticism and talent, not scheme and that's clear. 3 of the 4 of these players will be gone next year.

Now there is monster room for improvement here, having arguably the best offense in the country our D is quite AVERAGE to BELOW! Who would not agree with that? The above stats prove that. I don't think it's our players, I think it's the D scheme and two coaches Aiken who can't recruit or coach a great D line with the kind of talent he has; and Pellum who's in over his head coaching prevent every 1st half of every game trying to figure it out on the fly. Pellum is a good guy, but he's not ready for the level this team has become or the level it will be yearly hence forth.

"so completely ridiculous on it's face yet so sincere. FYI you're not close to being in the majority opinion with this annual fire the coaches stuff, you're way way out on the lunatic fringe. Coaches who win year after year don't get fired, they get big new contracts. "

Head coaches yes I would agree....

However defensive and offensive coordinators come and go on great teams all the time, Kiffin to Bama, Stoops back to OK to name a couple. With the kind of athletes Oregon is recruiting now, being 100 or worse on multiple categories of defense just wont cut it as a DC for a top 10 program. Aliotti was retired for us to get better, not worse. At the end of the year Helfrich will sit down and look at defensive stats of Pellum's and some tough decisions will be hashed out. Helfrich is smart enough to know that Marcus, Royce and a potent offense is carrying this team this year and the nation knows it too! Marcus's and Royce's don't grow off trees, but sub par D coordinators do and are easily replaced. Oregon will have the pick of the litter for great DC's, with the kind of talent and resources this school has, it's a no brainer. Do you really think Helfrich is going to risk his job for Pellum's? Next years schedule is BRUTAL a top 50 D at the least is needed!

Defense wins championships STOMP, get a clue!



"so to sum things up, the professionals who make their living off of predictions are laying odds that Oregon is the favorite to win the National Championship but you think they should fire their coaches and back up that opinion with Jason Quick's latest drivel."

I was talking about 3rd down defense, you are talking of championships, odd makers and the rest of your attacking ill prepared dribble... very different thoughts; which is why when you attack perhaps you could learn to comprehend the question first. It helps the debate when you're on point for once!


As always Stomp you couldn't answer my question, yet you're the only poster here looking to start static on a pure football question.

"you attempting to talk down to anyone is good times!"

If you mean "anyone" = poster who STOMPS into a debate without fact or reasonable opinion who likes to slam others meaning "YOU", than you are correct! As for the other imaginary "anyone's" out there that you seem to feel have alliance with you in your gorilla style daily personal attacks; I'd say that's a discussion for your therapist and your never ending supply of paliperidone palmitate, because these "anyone's" are not on this site they appear to be in your head!

 

[STOMP]

As always Stomp you couldn't answer my question, yet you're the only poster here looking to start static on a pure football question.

You've never silenced anyone silly. I've answered your questions plenty of times, but have learned my lesson. So funny that you accuse me of doing the ostrich act of sticking one's head in the sand to avoid questions as thats always been your calling card. Either you can't or refuse to comprehend anything outside your wild theories, so why bother answering nonsensical questions that only lead to more nonsensical questions? Another season of your stuff being proven completely wrong by results brings another season of doubling down on befuddled bluster instead of just acknowledging the obvious. Wrong on the W-L predictions, wrong in recruiting predictions, wrong on predictions calling for coaches head's. Now you're telling us that Pellum will be replaced this offseason... yet another prediction that stands no chance

the only posts I regularly mock are yours, yet you try to spin it that I'm personally attacking everyone left and right Misery loves company but you're on an island. How many other Duck fans are hoping they lose the next 4 games? Rooting for failure with your "hoped for 7-5" so that the annual coaching overhaul you clamor for year round is just surreal. Regardless of the sport, I've never ever heard of any other fan rooting for their wild personal theories prevailing at the expense of the team's success, especially since Oregon has a legit shot at winning it all. Bizarro world

STOMP