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Natebishop3 said:
Since I identify as neither Liberal nor Conservative, I have the luxury of finding both groups to be repugnant, and hypocritical.
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your big words are just going to confuse @HCP
 
Natebishop3 said:
Frankly, I would never put any kind of Republican propaganda in my front yard or on my car, and I damn sure wouldn't put anything pro Trump on my property. You can almost guarantee someone will fuck your shit up. What does that say about Portland and our liberal majority?
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Put a Gary Johnson sign on your yard and they'll think he's running for mayor
 
blue32 said:
It's actually bullshit, because "gender fluid" transgenders can change on a whim. The whole concept of placating these mentally ill people is garbage.
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weren't you just complaining about liberals being aggressive?
 
julius said:
I've seen plenty of pro Trump signs in peoples yards all around town. I have rarely heard or seen of any significant issues about it.
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Well, the original story not withstanding, here are a few more examples.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/04/donald_trump_bumper_sticker_vandalism.html

http://www.mediaite.com/online/port...lized-multiple-times-im-not-gonna-be-bullied/

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/sto...rting-familys-yard-signs-vandalized/92371680/

That was just on the first page of Google. Now go search for anti-Hillary stories. I only found one.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/01/2...d-an-anti-hillary-clinton-message-on-his-car/
 
riverman said:
weren't you just complaining about liberals being aggressive?
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This is their work. They love to censor and control people under the guise of laws centering around "equality".

This could be the start of the erosion of free speech.
 
Somebody just destroyed his star on the walk of fame so it's not just Portland liberals but in fairness...Trump has attacked every sub culture in the country for a long time....he likes to fight and talk smack.....if you haven't seen a Hillary poster with liar sprayed on it...you don't get around much
 
blue32 said:
It's actually bullshit, because "gender fluid" transgenders can change on a whim. The whole concept of placating these mentally ill people is garbage.
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Oh stop. Seriously dude? "They could change sexes just to fuck with me. One day they're male and the next female. It hurts my feelings because I don't know if I should fuck them or wrestle with them. They're... they're... they're mentally ill! "


If someone wants to transition from a man to a woman you can't change a pronoun? And that makes them mentally ill?!?
 
riverman said:
Somebody just destroyed his star on the walk of fame so it's not just Portland liberals but in fairness...Trump has attacked every sub culture in the country for a long time....he likes to fight and talk smack.....if you haven't seen a Hillary poster with liar sprayed on it...you don't get around much
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Trump is like the heel in wrestling, who cheats, lies and steals...and then when the good guy retaliates, the heel informs the ref and the good guy is admonished for such behaviors.

And no, I'm not saying that Hillary is the "good guy" in this scenario.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Oh stop. Seriously dude? "They could change sexes just to fuck with me. One day they're male and the next female. It hurts my feelings because I don't know if I should fuck them or wrestle with them. They're... they're... they're mentally ill! "


If someone wants to transition from a man to a woman you can't change a pronoun? And that makes them mentally ill?!?
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Actually yes they are suffering from a disorder. I just had this conversation with another person. Shall I link you GID?

It doesn't hurt MY feelings. I am not recognizing this, nor enabling it, by placating them. Biology made them either a male or female, they can be male or female. Go look up the multitude of transgender symbols one now has to worry about.


http://www.fed-soc.org/blog/detail/transgender-individuals-and-free-speech-in-new-york-city

"The City’s guidance, in mandating the use of preferred pronouns and titles, similarly compels the declaration of a belief: namely, that the sociological concepts of gender identity and gender expression represent an immutable truth, and that the biological concept of sex is irrelevant. Even if that is objectively true, it cannot be the place of City government to compel the verbal affirmation of any such viewpoint."

edit: and honestly I don't care what they do or call themselves, until it starts to affects the rights of the people, namely freedom of speech.
 
blue32 said:
Actually yes they are suffering from a disorder. I just had this conversation with another person. Shall I link you GID?

It doesn't hurt MY feelings. I am not recognizing this, nor enabling it, by placating them. Biology made them either a male or female, they can be male or female. Go look up the multitude of transgender symbols one now has to worry about.
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Being gay used to be considered a mental illness. Actually I'm sure you still think it is.

And no, sometimes biology doesn't get it right. Believe it or not there are some people born with both sexes. I know, I know, it's fucking crazy but it happens. And according to you that would be a mental illness?

But honestly, why are you worried about what someone wants to be called? Go up to them and ask their name. I promise you won't catch their illness.
 
Are people being beaten to death for supporting trump?

Intolerance gets a lot uglier than some self righteous idiot yelling at a trump fan.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Being gay used to be considered a mental illness. Actually I'm sure you still think it is.

And no, sometimes biology doesn't get it right. Believe it or not there are some people born with both sexes. I know, I know, it's fucking crazy but it happens. And according to you that would be a mental illness?

But honestly, why are you worried about what someone wants to be called? Go up to them and ask their name. I promise you won't catch their illness.
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I'm pretty sure that self identifying as a poker dog is a form of mental illness.
 
blue32 said:
Very small? Are you serious?

"What’s more, according to the City, “refusal to use a transgender employee’s preferred name, pronoun, or title may constitute unlawful gender-based harassment."

So uh, while you think it's a funny small problem on college campuses, it's actually a huge fucking problem that has huge implications.
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You did mean that as a joke, right?

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Being gay used to be considered a mental illness. Actually I'm sure you still think it is.

And no, sometimes biology doesn't get it right. Believe it or not there are some people born with both sexes. I know, I know, it's fucking crazy but it happens. And according to you that would be a mental illness?

But honestly, why are you worried about what someone wants to be called? Go up to them and ask their name. I promise you won't catch their illness.
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So... should we go ask the schizophrenic people to get off their meds? Should we stop offering treatment for anorexics or people suffering from eating disorders? Of course not.

So why do we continue to enable transgenderes who suffer from GID and placate their illness and say it's okay to make up 10 or so plus classifications to label themselves officially. Why do doctors continue to help them nutilate their body? They wouldn't let some multiple personality disordered person , or a person with body integrity disorder chop off their arm, I mean maybe some shady doctor would...

Again I don't care what they do except when their illness starts affecting people's freedom of speech.
 
blue32 said:
So... should we go ask the schizophrenic people to get off their meds? Should we stop offering treatment for anorexics or people suffering from eating disorders? Of course not.
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According to you they should, they were biologically born that way.

I don't know as much about being transgendered as you do but it seems to me that the correct treatment is letting them be the sex they identify with.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Being gay used to be considered a mental illness. Actually I'm sure you still think it is.

And no, sometimes biology doesn't get it right. Believe it or not there are some people born with both sexes. I know, I know, it's fucking crazy but it happens. And according to you that would be a mental illness?

But honestly, why are you worried about what someone wants to be called? Go up to them and ask their name. I promise you won't catch their illness.
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Yeah i dont care. If they want to be known as a dude but were born female who gives a fuck?

The only thing i am scared of is accidently calling someone something they dont prefer. For instance, there are plenty of biological women that identify as a man, yet still would prefer certain pronouns that may not be male pronouns. It can be confusing sometimes.
 
Is this kinda like white supremacists getting all butt hurt because they cant say nigger anymore?

Say whatever you want guys. If it's rude, you might get punched in the face. Such is life.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Yeah i dont care. If they want to be known as a dude but were born female who gives a fuck?

The only thing i am scared of is accidently calling someone something they dont prefer. For instance, there are plenty of biological women that identify as a man, yet still would prefer certain pronouns that may not be male pronouns. It can be confusing sometimes.
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Why would this be scary to you? At worst it's an uncomfortable situation. I mean maybe if you were a politician or something, but is there really a scenario that you can drum up that would legitimately threaten you?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Is this kinda like white supremacists getting all butt hurt because they cant say nigger anymore?

Say whatever you want guys. If it's rude, you might get punched in the face. Such is life.
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Whoa where did that come from?

"Hey guys" is usually a slip up, phrase that just comes out when i have social anxiety among a group of people. So my intent is never bad. However, increasingly lately I have heard from people how offensive it is to women.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Why would this be scary to you? At worst it's an uncomfortable situation. I mean maybe if you were a politician or something, but is there really a scenario that you can drum up that would legitimately threaten you?
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I hate uncomfortable situations in person. My line of work can be pretty confrontational so i prefer not to have in person confrontations outside of work. At work i can flip a switch and not let it bother me, but in my personal life that shit bothers me. More of a social anxiety thing. Not in a threatening im gonna kill you way.
 
blue32 said:
Biology made them either a male or female, they can be male or female.
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What about people born intersexed? You seem to be pretty narrow minded on this issue. Anyone who isn't like you is mentally ill?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
According to you they should, they were biologically born that way.

I don't know as much about being transgendered as you do but it seems to me that the correct treatment is letting them be the sex they identify with.
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Exactly except when it comes to calling it a hate crime when you refer to them as he or she instead of Ze or hir.

And I know how it affects families more than you know. My wife's newphew's dad decided to be a she after his kid was born. Awesome dad eh?

3RA1N1AC said:
Is this kinda like white supremacists getting all butt hurt because they cant say nigger anymore?

Say whatever you want guys. If it's rude, you might get punched in the face. Such is life.
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Sigh... no it's not like that at all.
 
Sedatedfork said:
What about people born intersexed? You seem to be pretty narrow minded on this issue. Anyone who isn't like you is mentally ill?
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We aren't talking about these classifications. We are specifically talking about male to female and vice versa and the hate crime bills coming forth for not referring to them as whatever the fuck new gender class they want to be called.
 
Why does it matter though? If someone doesnt fit on the gender binary scale..... who cares? Is that scary?

Its not like them choosing to identify as something else affects me fucking a biological woman with tig ol bitties.
 
blue32 said:
We aren't talking about these classifications. We are specifically talking about male to female and vice versa and the hate crime bills coming forth for not referring to them as whatever the fuck new gender class they want to be called.
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How do you know for sure what their genitals are until you look? If someone appears female to you, but has a penis and tells you to refer to them as a male, are you going to continue to call them a female? Don't you think that is harassing them, by repeatedly calling them a gender they've told you they aren't? How is this any different?
 
Sedatedfork said:
How do you know for sure what their genitals are until you look? If someone appears female to you, but has a penis and tells you to refer to them as a male, are you going to continue to call them a female? Don't you think that is harassing them, by repeatedly calling them a gender they've told you they aren't? How is this any different?
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Harassment? LOL no not anymore than that lady who takes time out of her day to flip off a trump supporter.

But when we start crafting legislation around mentally ill conditions and citing hate speech I get concerned.
 
Sedatedfork said:
How do you know for sure what their genitals are until you look? If someone appears female to you, but has a penis and tells you to refer to them as a male, are you going to continue to call them a female? Don't you think that is harassing them, by repeatedly calling them a gender they've told you they aren't? How is this any different?
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Not my problem. There was a homeless person sitting in the middle of the sidewalk the other day when I went to see my disabled aunt. The person looked like a guy to me. The person moved out of the way so my aunt could pass and I said "thank you sir"

If it was a woman who looked like a guy or a guy who looked like a girl who looked like a guy or an alien from They Live...I don't care. My mom told me she thought it was a girl. I think it was a guy waiting for a girl in the homeless shelter the sidewalk was in front of.

I haven't given it any thought until this thread. If I knew that person directly and I knew the person's name I'd call them that. I'm not interested in the pronoun they choose, I've been out of school for over 20 years. If that makes me a dick and someone wants to punch me in the face I welcome that.

If someone wants to pass a law requiring me to care or use a certain word I don't even want to know, fuck them.
 
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