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PapaG said:
More like Bayless showed why he is in the team's future while Sergio's weaknesses were magnified by Chris Paul. Would Paul have set an NBA assist record if Sergio had guarded him all night?
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9 assists in one quarter is pretty damn impressive.
 
Natebishop3 said:
9 assists in one quarter is pretty damn impressive.
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Barrett said something about 7 assists for Paul with 6 minutes left in the first quarter. I thought he must have meant for the entire team, but no, Paul had a few baskets plus 7 assists in that time period.

Damn he's good...
 
PapaG said:
Barrett said something about 7 assists for Paul with 6 minutes left in the first quarter. I thought he must have meant for the entire team, but no, Paul had a few baskets plus 7 assists in that time period.

Damn he's good...
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I really think he might be the best player in the NBA. Either he's the best, or he's right there with LeBron. Paul is a legit quadruple-double threat.
 
I wasn't being negative, but some of you have no comprehension skills or just come here to make personal attacks rather than offer your views.

It's a fair question, and I was interested in other's opinions.

As I said, I think any win is good. Someone pointed out it was on the road, which is always nice.

But I think the players will have the same thought in the back of their minds that I do:

Could/would they have come back with Paul playing? It certainly never appeared that way, but now we'll never know.
 
It's a great win. You can bitch and complain about shitty ball for 3 quarters, but last time I checked, the game is 48 minutes.
 
PapaG said:
Barrett said something about 7 assists for Paul with 6 minutes left in the first quarter. I thought he must have meant for the entire team, but no, Paul had a few baskets plus 7 assists in that time period.

Damn he's good...
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Actually he was 0-3, and pretty much the only Hornet not being given a free pass to the basket.

Joel would have made a huge difference in the start of the game had he been in.

After checking the play by play, Paul scored all 3 of his first 3 attempts against Bayless after failing on all 3 of his first 3 attempts against Sergio. Paul finished 3-11, scoring a single point against Sergio on a FT.

Clear evidence again who can defend and who got schooled repeatedly. This has been a pattern since Blake went down.

When Bayless learns to move his feet and body instead of slapping wildly at the ball, he'll become a defender.

Right now it's just pure effort and adrenaline with no thought or experience involved. It looks good to the casual observer, but it plays into the hands of the opponent.
 
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MARIS61 said:
I wasn't being negative, but some of you have no comprehension skills or just come here to make personal attacks rather than offer your views.

It's a fair question, and I was interested in other's opinions.

As I said, I think any win is good. Someone pointed out it was on the road, which is always nice.

But I think the players will have the same thought in the back of their minds that I do:

Could/would they have come back with Paul playing? It certainly never appeared that way, but now we'll never know.
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It might have been a fair question had you really been asking a question, but this kind of drives home the point that you were making a statement:

Had we been blown out as deserved, the players would have worked harder on what we did wrong.

Now they feel they "came back" which is absurd. They beat a bunch of scrubs for a quarter is all.
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It sure sounds like you'd give this one back if you could, or that the players who gutted it out shouldn't take pride in the fact that even though the way was made a little less tough with the loss of the opponent's best player, it was still a 20 point deficit that had to be made up in about 14-15 minutes of play time, against James Posey, David West, and NBA players.

But why don't we stop beating around the bush, the real purpose of this thread was meant to denigrate the fact that the whole "comeback" was made possible by our rookie point guard and not by your boy Sergio -- Comeback against scrubs, ergo not a real comeback generated by Bayless' defense and relentless attacking and play making.

I can only imagine the crowing you'd be doing if Sergio had led the charge; about him being a future hall of famer and how only a fool wouldn't be able to see this, etc., etc. blah, blah, blah.

Was this a flawless win against an opponent at full health? No. But just because it took a little bit of change in fortune and the balls to mount a furious charge, doesn't mean the team doesn't realize they maybe got away with one and still have lots of work to do.
 
Nikolokolus said:
It might have been a fair question had you really been asking a question, but this kind of drives home the point that you were making a statement:



It sure sounds like you'd give this one back if you could, or that the players who gutted it out shouldn't take pride in the fact that even though the way was made a little less tough with the loss of the opponent's best player, it was still a 20 point deficit that had to be made up in about 14-15 minutes of play time, against James Posey, David West, and NBA players.

But why don't we stop beating around the bush, the real purpose of this thread was meant to denigrate the fact that the whole "comeback" was made possible by our rookie point guard and not by your boy Sergio -- Comeback against scrubs, ergo not a real comeback generated by Bayless' defense and relentless attacking and play making.

I can only imagine the crowing you'd be doing if Sergio had led the charge; about him being a future hall of famer and how only a fool wouldn't be able to see this, etc., etc. blah, blah, blah.

Was this a flawless win against an opponent at full health? No. But just because it took a little bit of change in fortune and the balls to mount a furious charge, doesn't mean the team doesn't realize they maybe got away with one and still have lots of work to do.
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Nikolokolus again."
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really think he might be the best player in the NBA. Either he's the best, or he's right there with LeBron. Paul is a legit quadruple-double threat.
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Even Labron concedes that Kobe is the League's Best.

Paul is great, Labron is a beast. Kobe is probably the 2nd best player of all time. As much as it pains me to say that, it's true.
 
Kaydow said:
Even Labron concedes that Kobe is the League's Best.

Paul is great, Labron is a beast. Kobe is probably the 2nd best player of all time. As much as it pains me to say that, it's true.
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even kobe concedes that lebron in the league's best player.
 
it was a VERY VERY nice win, but they were without Paul and Chandler. you could see that they had ZERO playmakers on the court with CP3, and West and Peja couldn't create their own shot if their lives depended on it.

as it is they should take it and run, don't look back. clear this win from their minds and take care of business.
 
oh and they beat us without roy, but let's be honest we pretty much beat them without Roy tonight.
 
MARIS61 said:
I wasn't being negative, but some of you have no comprehension skills or just come here to make personal attacks rather than offer your views.

It's a fair question, and I was interested in other's opinions.

As I said, I think any win is good. Someone pointed out it was on the road, which is always nice.

But I think the players will have the same thought in the back of their minds that I do:

Could/would they have come back with Paul playing? It certainly never appeared that way, but now we'll never know.
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Okay Okay point taken. However I'm sorry but there is just no such thing as a "Bad" win during the first game of a road trip especially against a conference rival. The confidence we gained from this win is un-deniable and HUGE.

We'll meet again, and more importantly we'll know that our first priority will be to take out Chris Paul. While not easy to do its what were gonna have to do to be a contender in this league. Important lesson, very good win.
 
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My conclusion is:

Good win, but I hope Nate stresses the first 3 quarters tomorrow in practice.
 
By all rights we should have lost this. Paul is their leader and seeing him go down made their entire team waver. Our defense wasn't making them toss brick after brick. The first 3 quarters should be addressed next practice.

Otherwise, good win.

Go Blazers!
 
If you're a playoff team, up 20 at home with one quarter left, and all but buried another team, and you still have an All-Star on the floor... you should be able to close it out.
It was a great win IMO. We could've easily have given up.
 
alex42083 said:
If you're a playoff team, up 20 at home with one quarter left, and all but buried another team, and you still have an All-Star on the floor... you should be able to close it out.
It was a great win IMO. We could've easily have given up.
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You could argue that West is an all-star because of Paul.
 
Da_O said:
You could argue that West is an all-star because of Paul.
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That doesn't mean he's any less effective as a player. When you have a 20 point lead going into the fourth, I don't care what you have on the floor, they are all NBA players and you shouldn't fold and end up losing by 8.
 
Da_O said:
You could argue that West is an all-star because of Paul.
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If Tyson Chandler made it last year or this year, I'd say that. But David West is a stud in this league and still an underrated player IMO. I'm guessing if the coaches voted him in twice in a row, it's legit.
 
Paul is a great offensive player (and an okay defender) but he doesn't mean that much to their defense. Portland ripped them apart offensively in the fourth quarter, and I'm not sure that had much to do with Paul's injury. Had Paul played the fourth quarter, New Orleans may have scored enough to hang onto the win, but Portland was a whirling dervish in the fourth quarter.

A big reason Portland was trailing by so much in the third quarter was because they had underperformed on offense pretty significantly up to that point. Paul getting hurt was the turning point for New Orleans' offensive night, but they could have survived that. What killed them was that that coincided with Portland finally waking up on offense. They couldn't survive both things.
 
alex42083 said:
If Tyson Chandler made it last year or this year, I'd say that. But David West is a stud in this league and still an underrated player IMO. I'm guessing if the coaches voted him in twice in a row, it's legit.
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He still has to make his shots, of course, but you have to agree, that Paul gets him many open looks. Without Paul, I doubt West is a 20 ppg player or all-star.
 
Da_O said:
He still has to make his shots, of course, but you have to agree, that Paul gets him many open looks. Without Paul, I doubt West is a 20 ppg player or all-star.
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I think he could score 20 ppg, but All-Star, who knows. He's still an elite PF in the league, and should've been enough for New Orleans to hold onto a 20-point lead in a quarter.
 
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